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insulin and acid/alkali

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  1. Is there anything to the idea that acid or alkali conditions might relate
    to insulin resistance, effectiveness of insulin, etc?

    This source doesn't look very impressive....

    http://www.newtreatments.org/hypo.php
    The body uses minerals, primarily different types of organic calciums to
    buffer the pH in the blood and the tissues of the body. The blood pH
    remains at a strict 7.4. A drop of one or two tenth of the pH can cause
    death, so the blood pH is balanced strictly with different means: Minerals
    that buffer pH, CO2 respiration, the kidneys secreting excess H+ or OH- and
    finally the body can dump acids or alkaline excesses into the tissues when
    all other meassures are exhausted.
    The urine pH, when meassured using the right protocol (check articles on
    RBTI) reflects the tissue pH. 6.4 is the optimal pH. Low pH's indicate
    deficiencies of anionic (alkaline-forming) calciums (like calciumcarbonate,
    -hydroxide), while high pH's indicate deficiencies of cationic calciums
    (like calciumlactate). When the tissues are too acid, insulin's action is
    lowered. When the tissues are too alkaline, insulin's action is
    exaggerated.

  2. "Skinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Is there anything to the idea that acid or alkali conditions might relate
    to insulin resistance, effectiveness of insulin, etc?

    This source doesn't look very impressive....

    If you are acidotic or alkalotic as measured by arterial blood pH then you
    are in trouble. Your primary concern is in finding the reason for your
    altered abnormal pH and fix that rather than singling out insulin
    interactions.
    With ketoacidosis and lactic acidosis in diabetics you better believe that
    there is a relationship between insulin or lack there of and pH.
    When it comes to pH in urine the proper term is compensatory changes to deal
    with metabolic processes. There is no "deficiency", but simply metabolic
    regulation going on. When it comes to ionic regulation in the urine, the
    laws of isoneutrality exists within the lumen of the renal tubules. The loss
    of some cations such as H can cause the retaining of some other cation such
    as K, acidotic hyperkalemia. The loss of the anion bicarb can cause
    retaintion of CL, hyperchloremic acidosis.
    You can not evaluate the urine chemistry state by itself without evaluating
    the blood chemistry state.
    Yeast as a source of hypoglycemia is a bunch of [censored].
    The proper measurement of magnesium is via ionized magnesium levels and not
    total serum magnesium levels. If you look at total mg levels in relation to
    ionized mag levels you see that there is a gross over estimation of
    hypomagnesemia.
    Those are homeostatic changes as a result of altered hormone levels more so
    than to simply looking at the ions themselves.

    South Med J. 2002 Nov;95(11):1280-7. Related Articles, Links
    Acid-base and electrolyte disturbances in patients with hypercalcemia.
    Milionis HJ, Rizos E, Liamis G, Nikas S, Siamopoulos KC, Elisaf MS.
    Department of Internal Medicine, University of Ioannina Medical School,
    Ioannina, Greece.
    BACKGROUND: In the present study, we analyzed acid-base and electrolyte
    disturbances in hypercalcemic patients to determine the principal causes of
    hypercalcemia. METHODS: We studied a total of 76 hypercalcemic patients and
    91 healthy individuals. Acid-base and electrolyte parameters were determined
    before any therapeutic intervention. RESULTS: Hyperparathyroidism and
    neoplasias were the most common causes of hypercalcemia. Hypercalcemic
    patients had increased serum urea and creatinine levels, a higher
    urea/creatinine ratio, and a higher rate of acid-base disorders, but lower
    serum albumin, potassium, chloride, phosphorus, and magnesium concentrations
    than those found in the control subjects. Notably, significant differences
    in acid-base balance and electrolyte concentrations were evident between
    patients with hyperparathyroidism and patients with cancer. CONCLUSIONS:
    Primary hyperparathyroidism and neoplasia are the most common causes of
    hypercalcemia. A wide array of concurrent acid-base and electrolyte
    disorders may be evident in hypercalcemic patients. Differences in these
    laboratory parameters are helpful in diagnostic workup.
    PMID: 12539994 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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    http://www.newtreatments.org/hypo.php
    The body uses minerals, primarily different types of organic calciums to
    buffer the pH in the blood and the tissues of the body. The blood pH
    remains at a strict 7.4. A drop of one or two tenth of the pH can cause
    death, so the blood pH is balanced strictly with different means: Minerals
    that buffer pH, CO2 respiration, the kidneys secreting excess H+ or OH-


    and

    Quoted message said:

    finally the body can dump acids or alkaline excesses into the tissues when
    all other meassures are exhausted.
    The urine pH, when meassured using the right protocol (check articles on
    RBTI) reflects the tissue pH. 6.4 is the optimal pH. Low pH's indicate
    deficiencies of anionic (alkaline-forming) calciums (like


    calciumcarbonate,

    Quoted message said:

    -hydroxide), while high pH's indicate deficiencies of cationic calciums
    (like calciumlactate). When the tissues are too acid, insulin's action is
    lowered. When the tissues are too alkaline, insulin's action is
    exaggerated.

  3. "Skinny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Is there anything to the idea that acid or alkali conditions might relate
    to insulin resistance, effectiveness of insulin, etc?

    This source doesn't look very impressive....

    http://www.newtreatments.org/hypo.php
    The body uses minerals, primarily different types of organic calciums to
    buffer the pH in the blood and the tissues of the body.

    What is an organic calcium?

    Never heard of it.

    The article is full of [censored].

    Jeff

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