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Hydrated Chemicals in Supplements

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  1. Recently, Kitty happened to read the label of a new bottle of Vanadyl
    Sulfate that we had received in a shipment from LEF.
    See http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00213.html

    On the ingredients portion of the label of this product which is
    supposed to contain 7.5 mg vanadyl sulfate, she found the text
    "providing 1.5 mg vanadium" which had not been on the labels of bottles
    previously obtained from LEF (at least not prior to 6 months ago).
    Since we had been figuring for years that one tablet of this product
    was providing us with 2.3 mg of elemental vanadium and in fact have
    that down in our online supplement regimen spreadsheet (see
    http://morelife.org/personal/health/regimen_ingredients.xls ), she told
    me immediately. The 2.3 mg figure was based on my own calculation of
    many years ago when I was working on the LEF Product Directory - from
    the formula for vanadyl sulfate (VOSO4) and verified by the
    authoritative Merck Index as containing 31.25% vanadium by weight.

    After some back and forth correspondence with LEF customer service, it
    was determined that what LEF has been selling for years as vanadyl
    sulfate is actually a vanadyl sulfate hydrate containing about 32%
    water of hydration (likely a mixture of the two major hydrated forms,
    the dihydrate and the pentahydrate). So that is why the 7.5 mg of
    vanadyl sulfate hydrate in each tablet contains only about 1.5 mg of
    elemental vanadium. Our point, however, was that it has then been
    highly misleading for many years to label the product as 7.5 mg of
    vanadyl sulfate - a chemical name which implies no water of hydration.
    After copying Bill Faloon on our last email to LEF, he immediately
    responded with orders (to his staff) to change the product description
    accordingly.
    Although like all companies LEF makes mistakes, to his credit Bill has
    generally been quick to respond positively and to correct them.

    As a result of this, I thought it might be worthwhile to make a
    comparative investigation of a few other vendors and here is what I
    found.

    VRP

    They do not sell the product as containing a certain amount of vanadyl
    sulfate (ie the front label does not state any amount), but they still
    misstate on the ingredients list that it contains 50 mg of vanadyl
    sulfate followed by "(20% elemental vanadium, 10 mg)", which is correct
    if it is the same hydrated form as LEF sells.

    BAC

    Their vanadyl sulfate product is described at:
    http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc./Athletic_Aids.html#5356
    and the details at:
    http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc./images/5356.gif
    give no indication whatsoever of whether or not the chemical (stated as
    merely 10 mg of vanadyl sulfate) is hydrated nor any indication of how
    much elemental vanadium each tablet contains.

    Vitamin Shoppe

    They have both their own vanadyl sulfate product and carry other
    makers' products, but the details of the labeling and descriptions are
    again misleading and confusing.

    http://vitaminshoppe.com/ (search on vanadyl sulfate)

    Product UL-1006, described as "Vanadyl Sulfate (10 MG)" (made by
    Ultimate Nutrition), states exactly the same in the detailed
    information.

    Products VS-1338 and VS-1339, described as "Vanadyl Sulfate (2 MG)"
    (Vitamin Shoppe's own brand with the second containing 3x as many tabs
    as the first), states in the detailed information that it contains 2 mg
    of vanadium and nothing about the amount of vanadyl sulfate contained.
    This is an error in the opposite direction to all other vendors, and
    could lead to overdoses by those who think that they are purchasing 2
    mg of vanadyl sulfate, which from other sources they think only
    contains 20% vanadium.

    Product CF-1217, described as "Vanadyl Sulfate (5000 MCG)" (made by
    Country Life), states in the detailed information that it contains 975
    mcg of vanadium.

    Product AM-1155, described as "Vanadyl Sulfate (7.5 MG)" (made by
    Douglas Amni), states exactly the same in the detailed information

    Thus it appears that all vendors are selling only vanadyl sulfate
    hydrate even though they are all incorrectly and misleadingly labeling
    it as vanadyl sulfate. Some of them are at least honestly supplying the
    amount of elemental vanadium present in each tablet or capsule, but
    many others are not doing that.

    In future I will be watching more carefully to see if other products
    are diluted by being hydrated.

    Before completing this review, I decided to check a few PubMed
    abstracts to see how they handled the situation of hydrated vanadyl
    sulfate. Since every abstract that I found (except 4 old toxicity
    studies specifically on vanadyl sulphate pentahydrate) used the simple
    name vanadyl sulfate, I am not sure whether or not they were using the
    pure chemical or a hydrated form. If some of them were using a hydrated
    form then they should state this is the full paper and it would be
    misleading to state the dosage in the abstract without making this
    clear. I think that it might be a useful project for someone who has
    access to more full papers than I, to investigate whether or not all
    studies do use the pure, unhydrated form. Knowing this for certain is
    that only way in which results can be compared and human dosages
    decided.

    --Paul Wakfer

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  2. Hi Paul,

    Paul Antonik Wakfer said:

    Before completing this review, I decided to check a few PubMed
    abstracts to see how they handled the situation of hydrated vanadyl
    sulfate. Since every abstract that I found (except 4 old toxicity
    studies specifically on vanadyl sulphate pentahydrate) used the simple
    name vanadyl sulfate, I am not sure whether or not they were using the
    pure chemical or a hydrated form. If some of them were using a hydrated
    form then they should state this is the full paper and it would be
    misleading to state the dosage in the abstract without making this
    clear. I think that it might be a useful project for someone who has
    access to more full papers than I, to investigate whether or not all
    studies do use the pure, unhydrated form. Knowing this for certain is
    that only way in which results can be compared and human dosages
    decided.

    Putting "vanadyl sulfate" in the search string on pubmed yielded 205
    hits. I quickly checked all the abstracts and had access to several of
    the full text articles. For those I had access to the following
    vanadium compound was used:

    Type of compound Number of articles using this compound

    Type not stated 12
    VOSO4 9
    VOSO4-3H2O 4
    VOSO4-4H2O 2
    VOSO4-5H2O 4
    VOSO4-6H2O 2
    VOSO4-XH2O 4

    As you can see by viewing these results it appears that the majority of
    the studies used hydrated vanadyl sulfate. Since hydrated vanadyl
    sulfate also contains VOSO4 in the chemical formula some authors might
    not bother to mention that the vanadium they used was hydrated and
    simply call it VOSO4. For this reason I cannot say with certainty that
    the 9 studies that simply mentioned using vanadyl sulfate (VOSO4)
    necessarily used pure vanadyl sulfate.

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