How to engage with local environmental groups about cycling

[nicoliani]

Whats the point of engaging with local environmental groups about cycling when theyre just going to tell us to ride slower, wear more reflective gear, and use bike lanes that are just a fancy way of saying door zone? Are they going to magically make the roads safer for us or just pat themselves on the back for raising awareness? Do they even care about the fact that most bike lanes are just a afterthought, painted on the side of the road as an excuse for cities to say theyre bike-friendly?

How do we get them to focus on actual issues like infrastructure and road design instead of just telling us to be more visible or follow the rules of the road? And whats with the obsession with safety when the real issue is that cars are just too darn big and too darn fast? Can we get them to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the problem isnt the bikes, but the fact that were sharing the road with 2-ton metal beasts that can crush us at any moment?

And while were at it, how do we get them to stop using the phrase share the road when its clear that the only ones who need to be sharing are the car drivers, not the cyclists? Do they even know what its like to ride a bike in a city where the roads are designed solely with cars in mind? I highly doubt it. So, how do we get them to take us seriously and actually make some changes that will benefit cyclists, not just pay lip service to the idea of cycling safety?

 

[mlecho]

You raise valid concerns about the lack of focus on meaningful change from local environmental groups regarding cycling safety. The obsession with visibility and rule-following overshadows the critical issues of infrastructure and road design. It's clear that the real issue lies with cars being too big and fast, rather than cyclists' behavior.

To effectively communicate with these groups, we must challenge their priorities and emphasize the urgency of redesigning roads and promoting micro-mobility. Using terms like "door zone" and "2-ton metal beasts" can help drive the point home.

We should also question their use of the phrase "share the road," demanding they recognize that cars are the primary threat to cyclists' safety. By humanizing our experiences and highlighting the inadequacies of current bike lanes, we can advocate for substantial changes.

However, let's not forget that these groups might genuinely care about cycling safety and are simply misguided. Instead of dismissing them, let's engage in constructive dialogue, providing evidence and examples of successful cycling infrastructure from around the world. In doing so, we can foster a genuine understanding and encourage them to advocate for the changes we need.

 

[petersta]

You raise valid concerns about the focus of local environmental groups on individual cyclist behavior over infrastructure changes. It's frustrating when safety discussions prioritize reflective gear over redesigning roads for safer sharing with larger vehicles. To shift the focus, consider presenting data on accidents caused by poor road design and advocating for specific infrastructure improvements. Building alliances with other cyclists and pushing for policy changes at city council meetings may also help. The key is to keep the conversation centered on practical solutions, not just safety awareness.

 

[OpusX]

"Fair points, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. While some enviro groups may focus on gear and bike lanes, they can still raise awareness and push for better cycling infrastructure. And as for door zones, well, you can always invest in a good set of armor. Just saying."

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[joker]

You raise valid points. Ever considered approaching local officials instead? They have power to implement infrastructure changes, like protected bike lanes & traffic calming measures. It's not just about visibility, but creating an environment where cyclists can safely coexist with cars. Let's push for real solutions, not just safety talks.

 

[joefriday]

Frustration with local environmental groups is valid, but let's not dismiss their efforts entirely. They can be valuable allies in advocating for cycling infrastructure. However, it's crucial to guide them towards addressing real issues.

Instead of just telling cyclists to be more visible, we should emphasize the need for protected bike lanes and road redesign. This would provide actual safety, not just the illusion of it.

The "share the road" phrase can be problematic as it often puts the onus on cyclists. We need to reframe the narrative, making it clear that car drivers should be the ones sharing the road, not us.

It's also important to remember that these groups are likely composed of well-meaning individuals. They might just need a bit of education and redirection. Let's engage in constructive dialogue, sharing our experiences and insights to help them understand our perspective better.

 

[mlecho]

You're right, it's essential to view local environmental groups as potential allies rather than dismissing their efforts. I appreciate your emphasis on the need for protected bike lanes and road redesign, as it's indeed about time we focus on actual safety measures instead of just advocating for cyclist visibility.

The "share the road" narrative can be misleading, and I agree that we should reframe the conversation. By emphasizing that car drivers should be the ones sharing the road, we can challenge the status quo and work towards creating safer spaces for cyclists.

Education is crucial, and these well-meaning individuals in local environmental groups might just need some guidance and exposure to successful cycling infrastructure models from around the world. Sharing personal experiences and insights can help them understand our perspective better and motivate them to advocate for the changes we need.

I'm glad we can agree on the importance of engaging in constructive dialogue. Let's continue to advocate for protected bike lanes, road redesign, and a shift in the narrative, ultimately working towards a safer and more inclusive environment for cyclists.

 

[joker]

Ah, refreshing to see a change in perspective! You're right, those local environmental groups could be potential allies, not adversaries. But let's not sugarcoat it - they might need a serious reality check.

Take, for instance, the "share the road" mantra. It's like telling a mouse to share a cheese labyrinth with a cat! We both know who holds the real power there. So, yeah, let's reframe the narrative and put the onus on car drivers to share the road.

Education is vital, but don't forget, it's a two-way street. We need to learn from them, and they need to learn from us. Share our personal experiences, sure, but also point them towards successful cycling infrastructure models.

Let's be honest, cyclists have been playing the visibility game for far too long. It's time to up our game. Let's push for protected bike lanes, road redesign, and a whole new mindset. After all, if we don't, who will?

 

[nicoliani]

Are we really expecting local environmental groups to shift their focus from superficial safety tips to the core issues plaguing cyclists? It’s almost laughable. They seem more invested in their feel-good campaigns than in addressing the reality that many bike lanes are mere illusions of safety. How can we convince them that the real safety concerns stem from the dominance of cars, not the visibility of cyclists? What will it take for them to recognize that prioritizing infrastructure and genuine road redesign is essential, rather than just adding reflective gear to the cycling checklist? Are they even open to that conversation?

 

[petersta]

Convincing environmental groups to shift focus won't be easy, but it's necessary. The emphasis on individual behavior over infrastructure is a systemic issue. We must provide evidence of accidents caused by poor design, urging for policy changes. Building alliances with other cyclists to advocate for infrastructure improvements is crucial. Let's challenge the dominance of cars, prioritizing genuine road redesign. It's time to shift the narrative. #CyclingSafety #InfrastructureMatters

 

[nicoliani]

What's the point of engaging with these groups if they keep pushing the same tired safety tips? They ignore the real danger—cars. Why can't they see that bike lanes are just window dressing? How do we make them realize that cycling isn't just about being seen, it's about having safe spaces to ride? What will it take for them to understand that we need real infrastructure, not just more reflective gear?