how good is the KH saddle with trials?



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Im getting a 20" trials uni but based on the KH saddle on my muni it
doesnt sem like a good out in front saddle. Is the miayta or the Torker
LX saddles best for out in front hopping? and does the torker LX saddle
fit a regular rectangle shaped seat post, lets say like a KH seatpost?
please help me!?:confused:


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Alright, time for the first real review.

I ride the KH saddle seat out trials abot 2 hours a day 6 days a week.
Just yesterday I spent a good six hours riding trials on my Onza with a
KH saddle. My hands have been callused from the cloth gripping my skin,
and it can kinda hurt when I grip the saddle somethimes because of this.
The problem with the KH saddle for seat out compared to the miyata and
torker LX saddles is is that the KH saddle is gripped from the third
knuckle rather than between the first and second. This makes falling
seat out kinda painful. When you end up pulling hard on the saddle it
pinches the skin and hurts sometimes (really teaches to have a relaxed
grip, though), although otherwise it's a perfectly satisfactory ride. My
saddle is grey, and i have a glove mark on one side from dirt rubbing
from the glove to the seat, to give you an idea of how much I ride.


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Keep in mind that the newer generation KH seats have a nicer lip on the
side of the seat for hopping. I couldn't stand the first generation
seats for seat in front, but I'd considering a newer model if my Miyata
ever fails.

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Well I dont know what saddle I have (newer or older) My old KH saddle is
yellow and I got it near the beginning of last year. now my new one is
grey and says axiom on the front( what does that mean anyway? ) so
which is newer??


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Axiom is Norco's house brand of components.

Norco distributes the Velo seats (on the KH unicycles they sell, not
sure if they sell just the seats), so they rebadge it with Axiom on it.
They do not make the seat, neither does unicycle.com...but if you get
the seat from uni.com, chances are it says unicycle.com, not axiom.

It may be something more than just distributing them, that puts their
name on it, but it's something like that.

On comfort...the KH saddle sure took some getting used to (having done
trials a lot with a miyata), for doing trials on, with the back of the
saddle being so large, but you get used to it after a few rides, and it
is very comfortable.


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Ben Plotkin-Swing wrote:
> *Keep in mind that the newer generation KH seats have a nicer lip on
> the side of the seat for hopping. I couldn't stand the first
> generation seats for seat in front, but I'd considering a newer model
> if my Miyata ever fails.
>
> Ben *



Good point. I got to ride Kris's muni at moab, and the seat is much
nicer than the last generation of them. Just a request, though. Is it
possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out.


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gerblefranklin wrote:
> *
> Is it possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
> generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out. *



Now there's an idea, you should e-mail it to Kris. Or maybe he'll just
see this?


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gerblefranklin wrote:
> *
>
> Is it possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
> generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out. *



Good point- maybe I should do that! The next generation (not available
yet) of saddles will be easy to recognize though because the will have
removeable covers.

Here's a brief history on this saddle:

In 2000 (before Kris Holm Unicycles officially existed) I approached
Norco, trying to find someone to make a good unicycle saddle. They
weren't interested due to the perception, as always, that unicycling was
too small to warrant any investment in product. After a year of
bugging them, the President of Norco finally introduced me to Velo at
the 2001 Interbike Tradeshow in Las Vegas. They weren't too interested
either, but after another year of persuasion, they were convinced to
look at some drawings of what I wanted, and Norco invested in the
necessary molds to make the saddle.

On the first prototypes and initial production models, I provided
feedback to Norco who then forwarded changes to Velo, and so on. It
was confusing and inefficient, but for the first time ever, there was
ongoing time and money being invested into making a good production
unicycle saddle.

Finally, mid-2003 I bought Norco's control over molds and was able to
control design directly with Velo. Although the saddle wasn't exactly
perfect, now I finally had control over the design, and could more
efficiently start to introduce the necessary improvements.

Making these changes is slow and you often have to do one at a time- you
would not believe the things that can potentially go wrong when you
start mass producing products. However, for the first time we now have
a saddle that can be improved through first-hand input from riders (plus
a bit of $$ investment from KHU) , and that's a big difference from the
Viscount and Miyata Saddles.

The new (ie late 2003-2004) version of the KH saddle is really
comfortable for trials- in my opinion it has a much more comfortable and
easy to grip underside edge than either the Miyata or Viscount saddles,
and with the rails bracket I find it more comfortable than my old
carbonfibre airseat.

Future versions will also have a removable seatcover and thicker, more
comfortable front handle, and most likely ongoing improvements will
continue to be made for the forseable future.

Kris Holm.


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gerblefranklin wrote:
> *
>
> Is it possible to begin putting labels on the seats to identify what
> generation they are? I hate trying to figure it out. *



Good point- maybe I should do that! The next generation (not available
yet) of saddles will be easy to recognize though because the will have
removeable covers.

Here's a brief history on this saddle:

In 2000 (before Kris Holm Unicycles officially existed) I approached
Norco, trying to find someone to make a good unicycle saddle. They
weren't interested due to the perception, as always, that unicycling was
too small to warrant any investment in product. After a year of
bugging them, the President of Norco finally introduced me to Velo at
the 2001 Interbike Tradeshow in Las Vegas. They weren't too interested
either, but after another year of persuasion, they were convinced to
look at some drawings of what I wanted, and Norco invested in the
necessary molds to make the saddle.

On the first prototypes and initial production models, I provided
feedback to Norco who then forwarded changes to Velo, and so on. It
was confusing and inefficient, but for the first time ever, there was
ongoing time and money being invested into making a good production
unicycle saddle.

Finally, mid-2003 I bought Norco's control over molds and was able to
control design directly with Velo. Although the saddle wasn't exactly
perfect, now I finally had control over the design, and could more
efficiently start to introduce the necessary improvements.

Making these changes is slow and you often have to do one at a time- you
would not believe the things that can potentially go wrong when you
start mass producing products. However, for the first time we now have
a saddle that can be improved through first-hand input from riders (plus
a bit of $$ investment from KHU) , and that's a big difference from the
Viscount and Miyata Saddles.

The new (ie late 2003-2004) version of the KH saddle is really
comfortable for trials- in my opinion it has a much more comfortable and
easy to grip underside edge than either the Miyata or Viscount saddles,
and with the rails bracket I find it more comfortable than my old
carbonfibre airseat.

Future versions will also have a removable seatcover and thicker, more
comfortable front handle, and most likely ongoing improvements will
continue to be made for the forseable future.

Kris Holm.


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dubmuni2004 wrote:
> *are they going to be any softer?? And alot stiffer than the old
> version?? *



The model that unicycle.com most recently ordered (ie that is in stock
now) is stiffer than previous models, and similar in stiffness to next
year's.

There was inconsistency in foam hardness with some of the earlier
saddles, but that has been fixed so you may find the new saddles are
softer. I guess the best way to describe it is that the new saddles
have what is in my opinion the best compromise between softness and
support (ie not too hard but bottoming out on the padding either, no pun
intended!).

In other words, if you bought your saddle before last August then the
version that Unicycle.com currently has is better than the saddle you
have, and the ones with removeable covers will be available by
summer/fall.

Kris.


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dubmuni2004 wrote:
> *So I would probably be able to make an airseat out of it right?? And
> you should make some different colors on the new saddles like, green,
> orange, maybe even white, that would be awsome! *



Why?! Do you want to pay an extra $5 just for a little more variety in
the colors?! I don't. Grey, blue, red, and black are all that matters to
me. Lately I've noticed the grey saddle goes with just about all unis.
If you want more color bleach the things and do it yourself, but don't
ask for more colors, because that'll increase production costs, and
thus, increase the price for the consumer!

Later


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gerblefranklin wrote:
> *
>
> Why?! Do you want to pay an extra $5 just for a little more variety in
> the colors?! I don't. Grey, blue, red, and black are all that matters
> to me. Lately I've noticed the grey saddle goes with just about all
> unis. If you want more color bleach the things and do it yourself, but
> don't ask for more colors, because that'll increase production costs,
> and thus, increase the price for the consumer!
>
> Later *



Actually, it's not that bad as long as you don't get too crazy about it.
In the Kevlar side panels I can potentially do black, blue, grey,
yellow, orange, red or green.

Kris.


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