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Highway code - possible vs practicable

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  1. I have been following the reported change in the
    highway code with interest and have written to
    a few MPs and other representatives.

    The trouble is - I can not actually find an official
    document that contains the reported words.

    I for example refer to the petition
    http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/roads4bikes/
    which states:
    "The new highway code requries cyclsits to use
    cycle facilities 'wherever possible'."

    Thing is - it doesn't, at least I cannot find where it says it does.

    e.g.
    http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Highway_Code/Rules_1-97_%20Highway_Code_consultation.pdf

    says:
    Rule 58 "Use cycle routes when practicable"

    No possibility of any possible being possibly in sight!

    Can anyone point me to an appropriate document?

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes:
    |>
    |> Can anyone point me to an appropriate document?

    You're looking at the current one - you need to look at thge proposed
    new one. Check back through threads on this group for the last few
    weeks.

    Regards,
    Nick Maclaren.

  3. Quoted message said:

    I have been following the reported change in the
    highway code with interest and have written to
    a few MPs and other representatives.

    The trouble is - I can not actually find an official
    document that contains the reported words.

    I for example refer to the petitionhttp://petitions.pm.gov.uk/roads4bikes/
    which states:
    "The new highway code requries cyclsits to use
    cycle facilities 'wherever possible'."

    Thing is - it doesn't, at least I cannot find where it says it does.

    e.g.http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Highway_Code/Rules_1-97_%20Hi...

    says:
    Rule 58 "Use cycle routes when practicable"

    No possibility of any possible being possibly in sight!

    Can anyone point me to an appropriate document?

    http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Responses/Highway_Code_Draft.pdf

    Para 61 is the most contentious one

  4. Howard said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have been following the reported change in the
    highway code with interest and have written to
    a few MPs and other representatives.

    Quoted message said:

    The trouble is - I can not actually find an official
    document that contains the reported words.

    Quoted message said:

    I for example refer to the petitionhttp://petitions.pm.gov.uk/roads4bikes/
    which states:
    "The new highway code requries cyclsits to use
    cycle facilities 'wherever possible'."

    Quoted message said:

    Thing is - it doesn't, at least I cannot find where it says it does.

    Quoted message said:

    e.g.http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Highway_Code/Rules_1-97_%20Hi...

    Quoted message said:

    says:
    Rule 58 "Use cycle routes when practicable"

    Quoted message said:

    No possibility of any possible being possibly in sight!

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone point me to an appropriate document?

    http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Responses/Highway_Code_Draft.pdf

    Para 61 is the most contentious one- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Thanks a lot. I had soend a few hours googling.

    Anyone any idea how to find out which version is the
    one "Laid before Parliamant?
    I'll have another google too.

    This version is _even worse_ than I have apparently imagined.

    http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Responses/Highway_Code_Draft.pdf

    Rule 61:
    "Use cycle routes and cycle facilities such as advanced
    stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan crossings whenever possible,
    as they can make your journey safer."

    As I read it it instructs me to head for the nearest
    such device as soon as I get on my bike and, if complying,
    I cannot see any way of subsequently leaving
    without dismounting. This is due to it being "possible"
    to use the device forever.

    What the consequences are of not knowing where the
    nearest may be is another worry.

    # # # # # # #
    Just in case anyone fancies any of it here is what I wrote:-

    Dear Mister Cameron,

    I am writing to you in your position as Leader of the Opposition and
    prominent cyclist.

    I was wondering if you had begun identifying the necessary route
    changes that you may be required to make to your cycle-route to and
    from work once the new Highway Code has come into force?

    The existing document reads:-
    Rule 47 - "Use cycle routes where practicable."
    And that the new version will replace "practicable" with "possible".

    In order to comply with this requirement to "Use cycle routes where
    possible." any cyclist on the road will require to be either on a
    cycle route, or taking the shortest path between two cycle routes, or
    the shortest path between the start or finish of a journey and the
    nearest cycle route.

    This seems to me to effectively make the use of cycle routes
    compulsory and to remove the right of cyclists to use other spaces
    except in the special circumstance of heading directly to or from a
    cycle route.

    My understanding is that while the Highway Code is not in and of
    itself The Law, courts often take a dim view of individuals who do not
    follow the Code and that those violating the Code may for example
    expect reduced compensation awards.

    Do you think that perhaps some motorists may take the enforcement of
    this new 'law' into their own hands and that one consequence of this
    new wording will be that cyclists will face increased danger from
    aggressive motorists?

    Perhaps also you can let me know how much longer you would expect your
    journey to take and whether this change will stop you from cycling to
    work or if perhaps like many others you will violate the code and
    accept the risks of that action (e.g. the risk of being maimed by a
    self-righteous bus driver)?

    There is a petition on the issue, will you please sign it and ask all
    of your cyclist friends to sign it?
    http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/roads4bikes/

    Deadline to sign up by: 18 June 2007 - Signatures: 4,975 as of 8th
    May 2007.

    # # #
    I have received NO reply.

    Similar sent to:-
    Boris Johnston - automated reply

    and more fruitfully (well a reply from a person)
    [email hidden]
    Her representitive said that they had been responsible for
    persuading the Eve. Standard to publish the article
    on the highway code this week.

    I see the petition is doing rather well.

    Good luck.

  5. Quoted message said:
    Howard said:

    On 10 May, 19:06, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have been following the reported change in the
    highway code with interest and have written to
    a few MPs and other representatives.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The trouble is - I can not actually find an official
    document that contains the reported words.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I for example refer to the petitionhttp://petitions.pm.gov.uk/roads4bikes/
    which states:
    "The new highway code requries cyclsits to use
    cycle facilities 'wherever possible'."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thing is - it doesn't, at least I cannot find where it says it does.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    e.g.http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Highway_Code/Rules_1-97_%20Hi...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    says:
    Rule 58 "Use cycle routes when practicable"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No possibility of any possible being possibly in sight!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone point me to an appropriate document?

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Responses/Highway_Code_Draft.pdf

    Quoted message said:

    Para 61 is the most contentious one- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Thanks a lot. I had soend a few hours googling.

    Anyone any idea how to find out which version is the
    one "Laid before Parliamant?
    I'll have another google too.

    Sorry, that was easy.

    http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Responses/Response_to_Highway_Code_Consultation_report.pdf

    contains the text:-
    "To view the draft Highway Code which has been laid before Parliament
    for approval, click here."

    and "here" points to the link already notified by Howard.
    http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/consult/Responses/Highway_Code_Draft.pdf

    I am reasonably convinced that this is the right one.

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