hi

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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at
the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can
sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not
raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

You have highlighted one of the advantages of English's bad
spelling. Because correct English spelling is often like
gibberish, we become used to it, so real gibberish is easy
to understand......

And that is why a certain clothing shop needs to
change its logo!

Reading is a doddle, but writing is hard, and I have had to
become clever at finding alternatives to certain 'bad' words
when a dictionary is not to hand.

Richard Webb

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:04:17 GMT, [email hidden] (RJ

Webb) said:

And that is why a certain clothing shop needs to change
its logo!

That's undoubtedly deliberate - and it works!

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Here's me thinking "...heh, this groups about walking"

Here's me thinking "heh, this guy still hasn't figured out
how to avoid top-posting."

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> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:57:34 -0000, "Paul Rose"
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> >Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy,
> >it deosn't

mttaer

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> >in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny
> >iprmoetnt tihng is

taht

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> >frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The
> >rset can be a

toatl

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> >mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
> >Tihs is bcuseae we do not

raed

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> >ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

V. fnnuy!

> I'm a fast reader, and that barely slowed me down at
> all. I've got

to

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> agree.

Also, the bottom halves of letters don't carry much
visual info, so we

could

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save on printing by using only the top half.
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Here's me thinking "...heh, this groups about walking"

Here's me thinking "heh, this guy still hasn't figured out
how to avoid top-posting."

Please - No top-posting flames....
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happened to be is like [censored] in your pants because that's
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Gordon said:

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Here's me thinking "...heh, this groups about walking"

Here's me thinking "heh, this guy still hasn't figured out
how to avoid top-posting."

Please - No top-posting flames....

That's why we carry stoves. :-)
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RJ Webb said:

You have highlighted one of the advantages of English's bad
spelling. Because correct English spelling is often like
gibberish, we become used to it, so real gibberish is easy
to understand......

I still can't understand gaelic though :-(
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:04:17 GMT,

(RJ Webb) said:

And that is why a certain clothing shop needs to change
its logo!

That's undoubtedly deliberate - and it works!

Too FC-UKing true!
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Phil Cook said:

RJ Webb said:

You have highlighted one of the advantages of English's
bad spelling. Because correct English spelling is often
like gibberish, we become used to it, so real gibberish is
easy to understand......

I still can't understand gaelic though :-(

Good example of reformed spelling. The Irish cleaned up
their orthography. Gaelic (SCO) is still phonetic, but
liberal with letters(1). Still totally meaningless to me
though, but it does look pretty, and is a language, like
Gaelic and Sami for ever associated with glorious hills
in my mind.

(1)Would you have to have a bigger square for a Scots Gaelic
scrabble set, and "H" would only count as 1 pt.

Richard Webb

Richard Webb

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That's undoubtedly deliberate - and it works!

Too FC-UKing true!

I meant Gap :-)

Richard Webb

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Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed

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ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

I'm a fast reader, and that barely slowed me down at all.
I've got to agree.

Me too. In fact, I barely even noticed the eccentricities in
the spelling.
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are,

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You have highlighted one of the advantages of English's
bad spelling. Because correct English spelling is often
like gibberish, we become used to it, so real gibberish is
easy to understand......

And that is why a certain clothing shop needs to change
its logo!

I suspect it was deliberate. I really wish they would change
it though, because I can't help but read it 'wrongly' and I
find it offensive.

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Reading is a doddle, but writing is hard, and I have had
to become clever at finding alternatives to certain 'bad'
words when a dictionary is not to hand.

Sorry, I'm not quite with you. Why is this? Is it something
to do with your work? I'm not intending to be just nosey; it
just sounds interesting.
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Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed

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ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

I'm a fast reader, and that barely slowed me down at all.
I've got to agree.

Maybe so, but I bet it's real slow to type...

Yes, it is. It's so mcuh esaeir if you keep the wrdos slaml.
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Sorry, I'm not quite with you. Why is this? Is it something
to do with your work? I'm not intending to be just nosey;
it just sounds interesting.

I do a lot of written communication, and have just been
through a written interview.

My old job involved working with Scandinavians, who had a
better grasp of the eccentricities of English spelling than
me :-) Almost always through a computer system.

Richard Webb

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My old job involved working with Scandinavians, who had a
better grasp of the eccentricities of English spelling
than me :-) Almost always through a computer system.

On another NG I visit there's a young Danish lady, now
living in Sweden. She's picked up Swedish in the relatively
short time she's been there, and her English is nearly
faultless. What's more, she can pun, tell and understand
jokes and ROT13 without any apparent difficulty in English,
as well. Dunnarf put the rest of us to shame.
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My old job involved working with Scandinavians, who had
a better grasp of the eccentricities of English spelling
than me :-) Almost always through a computer system.

On another NG I visit there's a young Danish lady, now
living in Sweden. She's picked up Swedish in the
relatively short time she's been there, and her English is
nearly faultless. What's more, she can pun, tell and
understand jokes and ROT13 without any apparent difficulty
in English, as well. Dunnarf put the rest of us to shame.

For a Dane to learn Swedish is slightly less effort than
someone from Edinburgh to learn Glaswegian. The languages
start out mutually intelligible.

The Danes also have a Terrible Secret Method for learning
English. They study it for years at school. The same method
allows the Belgians to speak Dutch, French, and English
equally well, and the Swiss to speak German, French, Italian
and English, sometimes all in one sentence.

It's always seemed somewhat odd to me that the English are
so proud that everyone else wants to use their language, and
so unashamed that absolutely everyone else takes more
trouble to get it right.
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The Danes also have a Terrible Secret Method for learning
English. They study it for years at school. The same
method allows the Belgians to speak Dutch, French, and
English equally well, and the Swiss to speak German,
French, Italian and English, sometimes all in one
sentence.

The Swiss are quite capable of mixing several languages in a
single word, let alone a single sentence!

I recall one holiday in Switzerland where we came across a
very welcome café at the end of a long day's walk. It had a
big sign outside advertising their "Glacéspezialitäten".

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Mark South wrote on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:11:50 +0100....

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The Danes also have a Terrible Secret Method for
learning English. They study it for years at school. The
same method allows the Belgians to

speak

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Dutch, French, and English equally well, and the Swiss
to speak German, French, Italian and English, sometimes
all in one sentence.

The Swiss are quite capable of mixing several languages in
a single word, let alone a single sentence!

I recall one holiday in Switzerland where we came across a
very welcome café at the end of a long day's walk. It had
a big sign outside advertising their "Glacéspezialitäten".

Would you prefer "Gemischteeisspezialitaeten"? :-)
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Mark South wrote on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:11:50 +0100....

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The Danes also have a Terrible Secret Method for
learning English. They study it for years at school.
The same method allows the Belgians to

speak

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Dutch, French, and English equally well, and the Swiss
to speak German, French, Italian and English, sometimes
all in one sentence.

The Swiss are quite capable of mixing several languages
in a single word, let alone a single sentence!

I recall one holiday in Switzerland where we came across
a very welcome café at the end of a long day's walk. It
had a big sign outside advertising their
"Glacéspezialitäten".

Would you prefer "Gemischteeisspezialitaeten"? :-)

A mate of mine once asked a french railway worker somewhere
near Geneva if he was on the right train in such a bad
accent that he got an answer in german. The railway man
thought he was Swiss.
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Would you prefer "Gemischteeisspezialitaeten"? :-)

Sounds delicious. Lots of strawberry topping, please. :-)

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Mark South wrote on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:11:50 +0100....
> The Danes also have a Terrible Secret Method for
> learning English.

They

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> study it for years at school. The same method allows
> the Belgians to

speak

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> Dutch, French, and English equally well, and the
> Swiss to speak

German,

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> French, Italian and English, sometimes all in one
> sentence.

The Swiss are quite capable of mixing several languages
in a single word, let alone a single sentence!

I recall one holiday in Switzerland where we came
across a very welcome café at the end of a long day's
walk. It had a big sign outside advertising their
"Glacéspezialitäten".

Would you prefer "Gemischteeisspezialitaeten"? :-)

A mate of mine once asked a french railway worker
somewhere near Geneva if he was on the right train in such
a bad accent that he got an answer in german. The railway
man thought he was Swiss.

I disbelieve this story. First, I have never heard of a
French person who could speak German. Second, if there were
one they would almost certainly still refuse to speak German
outside of their university department :-)

The Swiss do mix food names mercilessly, normally using the
language in which the name is shortest. Hence the "Glacé" in
Tim's example.
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