General fitness, health and nutrition · Public discussion

Here's an example of flawed science.

Started by montygram · · Last activity · 2 posts · 247 views

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
General fitness, health and nutrition
Published
28 September 2005
Last activity
28 September 2005
Original author
montygram
Posts
2
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
247
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–2 of 2
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. Most scientists believe that there is a retrovirus, "HIV," that causes
    more than a dozen old diseases that now get classified as "AIDS."

    You can go to www.aliveandwell.org and read their material, which is
    designed for non-scientists, but the Perth Group of scientists has
    written the best material on "AIDS," so I'll just suggesst you read
    that material if you are interested in the subject.

    The following is from a web site whose authors "believe" in the "HIV
    causes AIDS" claim. What this one passage reveals, however, is how
    assumptions lead to "experts" just going along with them. Because the
    AIDS industry has so much money pumped into it, they actually do some
    experiments now and then, and in this case, the data failed to support
    the "HIV causes AIDS" claim. Of course, this does not seem to bother
    many of today's "scientists," but at least it demonstrates what an on
    point experiment is. The claim predicts that certain protein fragments
    will be found in "AIDS dementia" patients' brains, but it is not.

    I have pointed out that the claim that DHA is lacking in the brains of
    elderly people with dementia is not backed by any on point evidence.
    In the case of dementia in elderly people (below) the brains of elderly
    people with and without dementia should be studied to see if there is a
    difference in DHA content. Until then, what we have are predictions
    based on assumptions, none of which have been tested with experiments
    that follow the scientific method. I keep pointing out that the
    studies that "experts" cite to support the "essential fatty acid"
    either do not address the underlying mechanims involved, fail to use
    proper controls, or a flawed in a number of other ways I've articulated
    more than once on this newsgroup. Science has become more of a
    pscyho-social phenomenon in many ways these days, espeically in
    medicine/biology/nutrition, mainly because of special interests and the
    ease with which "studies" can be "massaged" to obtain an interpretation
    one desires. Sometimes, the results contradict the claims made by the
    researchers who are generating those same results. I am here to
    prevent nebulous claims from going unchallenged - that is what I was
    trained to do in grad school. I am willing to put my own money up when
    I think I am correct, but nobody is interested in taking me up on these
    offers. I know all the tricks employed - they will not be able to play
    the usual shell games with me, and they know they will just lose their
    money and look foolish.

    Here is the passage in question:

    "Early studies investigating toxic activities of HIV
    proteins focused on gp120. In experimental systems,
    gp120 can act synergistically with glutamate (4) to
    elicit excitotoxicity mediated by NO (5). However,
    evidence from human postmortem studies to support this
    experimentally-derived hypothesis has not been
    forthcoming. Numerous investigators have failed to
    observe gp120 in the brains of HIV infected patients."

    Source: www.aidscience.org/neuroaids/
    zones/articles/1999/10/Nitricoxide/index.asp

  2. montygram said:

    I am here to
    prevent nebulous claims from going unchallenged - that is what I was
    trained to do in grad school.

    Neither do I.

    I received all the education that I needed to do so while attending a
    prestigious Kindergarten class at Brookside Elementary School in
    Westchester County, New York, USA. I graduated with a gold Star. 🙂

    Neither HIV or AIDS is caused by oxidative stress.

    Just thought that you might want to know.

    You are passionate in your beliefs, but you do NOT persuade.

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.