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Help remembering, please - "width"

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  1. Sometime back there was discussion regarding the perception
    of automobile drivers of objects in the roadway, with some
    research indicating that motorists subconsciouly are looking
    for width as an identifier, meaning that bicycles, which are
    narrow and tall are at a disadvantage, no matter how many
    rear flashers or bright clothes worn.

    Does anyone remember this? I have searched the archives
    through the Google groups search engine, to no avail.
    Don't even know the proper search terms - have tried
    "width," "perception," etc., with no luck. I would like to
    read the research.

    Thanks

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  2. I remember something along the lines of research that was
    published that because drivers are not looking for "small"
    objects like bikes, the bike becomes invisible. As I recall
    it involved a study of basketball players and a gorilla. Is
    this the one you are referring to?

    Doug

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    Quoted message said:

    Sometime back there was discussion regarding the
    perception of automobile drivers of objects in the
    roadway, with some research indicating that


    motorists

    Quoted message said:

    subconsciouly are looking for width as an identifier,
    meaning that


    bicycles,

    Quoted message said:

    which are narrow and tall are at a disadvantage, no matter
    how many rear flashers or bright clothes worn.

    Does anyone remember this? I have searched the archives
    through the


    Google

    Quoted message said:

    groups search engine, to no avail. Don't even know the
    proper search


    terms -

    Quoted message said:

    have tried "width," "perception," etc., with no luck. I
    would like to


    read the

    Quoted message said:

    research.

    Thanks

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  3. Found it!

    Article: sciam.comarticle.cfm
    101E-B40D83414B7F0000&pageNumber=1

    Discussion: tinyurl.com2x8vu

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    Quoted message said:

    Sometime back there was discussion regarding the
    perception of automobile drivers of objects in the
    roadway, with some research indicating that


    motorists

    Quoted message said:

    subconsciouly are looking for width as an identifier,
    meaning that


    bicycles,

    Quoted message said:

    which are narrow and tall are at a disadvantage, no matter
    how many rear flashers or bright clothes worn.

    Does anyone remember this? I have searched the archives
    through the


    Google

    Quoted message said:

    groups search engine, to no avail. Don't even know the
    proper search


    terms -

    Quoted message said:

    have tried "width," "perception," etc., with no luck. I
    would like to


    read the

    Quoted message said:

    research.

    Thanks

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    rental condo)

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    Sometime back there was discussion regarding the
    perception of


    automobile

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    drivers of objects in the roadway,

    Well, I don't have research of my own, but my theory is
    that if you look like an object necessary to take
    account of as part of the driving task, then you are
    taken account of. It's best, therefore, to look like
    an-object-possibly-in-the-driver's-way.

    In the cited article, basketball passes were relevant,
    gorillas were irrelevant. Thus the watchers noticed
    basketballs, not gorillas, even though gorillas are a lot
    wider than a basketball. If anything, the article proves
    that width does not matter at all.

    Folk wisdom among cyclists seems to agree with me. The usual
    rules are that drivers will give you an amount of room equal
    to the room that you give the curb, or else they say ride in
    the left (in the USA) tire track of the general traffic.

    Worst, I think, is to get yourself defined as an object that
    can be ignored. That's why I hate bike lanes.

    Jeremy Parker

  5. Quoted message said:

    Found it!

    Article:

    sciam.comarticle.cfm
    101E-B40D83414B7


    F0000&pageNumber=1

    Quoted message said:


    Discussion: tinyurl.com2x8vu

    Thanks - that is the one!

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