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  1. sf said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:01:07 -0500, flitterbit <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    sf said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:47:45 -0500, flitterbit <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > Steve Wertz wrote:
    >> IOW: Use any email address you'd like in your news software, but
    >> use the correct username as a login to the news server.
    >>
    >> -sw
    >>
    > Sorry; I wasn't clear enough -- thanks for expanding.
    What do you plan to use for a news reader?


    ????? I already have a newsreader and am not the person asking for
    assistance.

    I should have said "what do you use for a news reader" because she's
    going to need suggestions.


    Aaah. Currently I use Thunderbird; I used to use Outlook Express. I
    realize by some standards they aren't considered to be "real"
    newsreaders, but they do the trick and are simple to use. 😉

  2. Joseph Littleshoes said:
    merryb said:
    Quoted message said:

    I should have said "what do you use for a news reader" because she's
    going to need suggestions.

    You aren't kidding!!! You folks are great, and I really appreciate
    your help. I'm really going to have to study this-I'm getting nowhere!
    I tried the Motzarella, and all the info is in German! I did have a
    little success with outlook, but it doesn't seem very user friendly,
    at least to my little feeble brain. But I DO resolve to get thru this.
    Sad, huh? I bet I could get my 9 year old to help me, but I'll ask the
    hubby. I was trying to figure this out on my own so I could learn
    something, but most of it is Greek to me.

    I would recommend downloading the Netscape browser, but then you have to
    configure it, not hard but it does help to know what you are doing.

    download at

    http://browser.netscape.com/

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software. You want Thunderbird for that. I'm not even sure it
    Netscapoe maintains a suite anymore, do they?

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.

    -sw

  3. Steve Wertz said:

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.

    Netscape, as old timers remember it, is pretty much a dead horse. It
    was purchased by AOL, so we know what that's now worth.

    Quoted message said:

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.

    That should read, "Mozilla Suite, which has been renamed Seamonkey,
    for...." Both Seamonkey, the suite, and Firefox and Thunderbird,
    separate browser and mail client apps, are direct decendents of the
    old Netscape and will make ol' "scapers" feel right at home. Either
    are a great choice for Windows users who know better than to actually
    use IE or OE.

    nb

  4. merryb;1334121 said:

    Ok, I need help! I've been reading all the complaints about Google, so
    can someone kindly point me to a different source so I can participate
    without Google? Excuse my ignorance, but using a computer is still
    pretty new to me, and this is all I know!! I'm still trying to learn,
    and most of you are very helpful. Someone had posted about a free
    server the other day, but I can't remember where it was!! If someone
    can help me out a little, then I can get away from your beloved
    Google🙂 Thanks!!

    I use TRAVEL.com which is free and has built in spam filters. I love
    it!

    --
    Rik Brown
    Message Origin: TRAVEL.com

  5. notbob said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.

    That should read, "Mozilla Suite, which has been renamed Seamonkey,
    for...."

    I thought they were still maintaining two separate product lines.
    But I see now they aren't. Seamonkey all the way. Been using it
    for the last ... 1.7 years? I don't use it for news, though.
    Just browsing and IMAP mail.

    -sw

  6. Steve Wertz said:
    Joseph Littleshoes said:
    merryb said:

    >I should have said "what do you use for a news reader" because she's
    >going to need suggestions.

    You aren't kidding!!! You folks are great, and I really appreciate
    your help. I'm really going to have to study this-I'm getting nowhere!
    I tried the Motzarella, and all the info is in German! I did have a
    little success with outlook, but it doesn't seem very user friendly,
    at least to my little feeble brain. But I DO resolve to get thru this.
    Sad, huh? I bet I could get my 9 year old to help me, but I'll ask the
    hubby. I was trying to figure this out on my own so I could learn
    something, but most of it is Greek to me.

    I would recommend downloading the Netscape browser, but then you have to
    configure it, not hard but it does help to know what you are doing.

    download at

    http://browser.netscape.com/

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.

    Of course it does, what do you think i use to read this group?
    --
    JL
    You want Thunderbird for that. I'm not even sure it

    Quoted message said:

    Netscapoe maintains a suite anymore, do they?

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.

    -sw

  7. Steve Wertz said:
    notbob said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.

    That should read, "Mozilla Suite, which has been renamed Seamonkey,
    for...."

    I thought they were still maintaining two separate product lines.
    But I see now they aren't. Seamonkey all the way. Been using it
    for the last ... 1.7 years? I don't use it for news, though.
    Just browsing and IMAP mail.

    -sw

    So what about "Opera" im thinking about switching from the Netscape 7 i
    have been using the last few years?
    --
    JL

  8. Joseph Littleshoes said:
    Steve Wertz said:
    Joseph Littleshoes said:


    I would recommend downloading the Netscape browser, but then you have
    to configure it, not hard but it does help to know what you are doing.

    download at

    http://browser.netscape.com/

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.

    Of course it does, what do you think i use to read this group?

    With an old version. The current NS version is 9.0. You're using
    7.2. It's from 2004, way back when they used to support mail and
    news.

    --
    Reg

  9. Reg said:
    Joseph Littleshoes said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:25:04 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:

    >
    > I would recommend downloading the Netscape browser, but then you
    > have to configure it, not hard but it does help to know what you are
    > doing.
    >
    > download at
    >
    > http://browser.netscape.com/

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.

    Of course it does, what do you think i use to read this group?

    With an old version. The current NS version is 9.0. You're using
    7.2. It's from 2004, way back when they used to support mail and
    news.


    That's interesting i looked at the Netscape home page to day and saw it
    was up to 9 and only did not download and install as a replacement to my
    7 as im contemplating downloading the Opera browser.

    Why would a browser NOT have e mail and news? I found several that
    didn't have news, and at least one that used "Eudora" for e mail, im not
    that fond of the Safari browser that came with my Mac, it don't have a
    window for news groups, and its mail program seems needlessly complex.

    Apparently opera has a news program and an e mail program.

    The thing about Opera is it looks newer and fresher, i really don't see
    how it can be better than what i have got. Look better but ... that is
    of course why i ask...the Netscape never gave me any problems, and is
    easy to configure, i guess im going to have to see if a closer look at
    the opera browser is available.
    --
    JL

  10. notbob said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.

    Netscape, as old timers remember it, is pretty much a dead horse. It
    was purchased by AOL, so we know what that's now worth.

    Quoted message said:

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.

    That should read, "Mozilla Suite, which has been renamed Seamonkey,
    for...." Both Seamonkey, the suite, and Firefox and Thunderbird,
    separate browser and mail client apps, are direct decendents of the
    old Netscape and will make ol' "scapers" feel right at home. Either
    are a great choice for Windows users who know better than to actually
    use IE or OE.


    I use an old version of Agent. I tried the latest version less than a
    year ago and it took me an entire month to configure it to my liking.
    That's why I didn't upgrade (which would have meant buying it again).
    I'm not going to give monetary support to something that complicated
    with so many features I don't want.

    --

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marks

  11. On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:44:00 -0500, flitterbit <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Aaah. Currently I use Thunderbird; I used to use Outlook Express. I
    realize by some standards they aren't considered to be "real"
    newsreaders, but they do the trick and are simple to use. 😉

    Flitterbit... they are "real" news readers, but they are *not* "stand
    alone" news readers. Does that make any sense to you?

    --

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marks

  12. Rik Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    merryb;1334121 said:

    Ok, I need help! I've been reading all the complaints about
    Google, so can someone kindly point me to a different source
    so I can participate without Google? Excuse my ignorance, but
    using a computer is still pretty new to me, and this is all I
    know!! I'm still trying to learn, and most of you are very
    helpful. Someone had posted about a free server the other
    day, but I can't remember where it was!! If someone can help
    me out a little, then I can get away from your beloved
    Google🙂 Thanks!!

    I use TRAVEL.com which is free and has built in spam filters.
    I love it!

    There are many news readers that are free and can block
    spam.

    I like usenet better than the forums that put usenet on the web.
    Yours is at: http://forums.travel.com/

  13. sf wrote in news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    flitterbit said:

    Aaah. Currently I use Thunderbird; I used to use Outlook
    Express. I realize by some standards they aren't considered
    to be "real" newsreaders, but they do the trick and are simple
    to use. 😉

    Flitterbit... they are "real" news readers, but they are *not*
    "stand alone" news readers. Does that make any sense to you?

    Windows news readers are lister here.
    http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

    Other 'news' info here, if anyone would like to investigate.
    http://www.newsreaders.com/

    Just as an FYI.. for anyone. :-)

  14. Joseph Littleshoes said:

    So what about "Opera" im thinking about switching from the Netscape 7 i
    have been using the last few years?

    I haven't used Opera for a coupe yeras, but the last version I
    did had a really incomplete News client (even they recommended
    not using it).

    -sw

  15. Joseph Littleshoes said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.

    Of course it does, what do you think i use to read this group?

    Then you;re using a really old version of Netscape Communicator,
    which is not part of the newest browser in the link you quoted.

    -sw

  16. Joseph Littleshoes said:

    Why would a browser NOT have e mail and news?

    Many people want separate programs for each task.

    Quoted message said:

    The thing about Opera is it looks newer and fresher, i really don't see
    how it can be better than what i have got. Look better but ... that is
    of course why i ask...the Netscape never gave me any problems, and is
    easy to configure, i guess im going to have to see if a closer look at
    the opera browser is available.

    Why not just try Seamonkey? It'll be the most like your current
    Netscape Navigator, and it's free. It inclused borwser, new,
    email (chat (kinda), RSS, and a few other things not normally
    used).

    -sw

  17. "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.

    Netscape, as old timers remember it, is pretty much a dead horse. It
    was purchased by AOL, so we know what that's now worth.

    Quoted message said:

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.

    That should read, "Mozilla Suite, which has been renamed Seamonkey,
    for...." Both Seamonkey, the suite, and Firefox and Thunderbird,
    separate browser and mail client apps, are direct decendents of the
    old Netscape and will make ol' "scapers" feel right at home. Either
    are a great choice for Windows users who know better than to actually
    use IE or OE.

    nb

    What do you dislike about OE as a news reader? What features do you feel are
    missing or badly designed?

  18. sf said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:44:00 -0500, flitterbit <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Aaah. Currently I use Thunderbird; I used to use Outlook Express. I
    realize by some standards they aren't considered to be "real"
    newsreaders, but they do the trick and are simple to use. 😉

    Flitterbit... they are "real" news readers, but they are *not* "stand
    alone" news readers. Does that make any sense to you?


    Indeed it does; I've happily used both without any problems whatsoever
    and have never felt the need to mess with Forte Agent or any of the
    other stand-alones. Rather, I was just trying to pre-empt the "get a
    real newsreader" chorus that usually pops up in other groups at the
    mention of Outlook Express in particular ; )

  19. sf said:
    notbob said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    The Netscape browser does not include email or news client
    software.


    Netscape, as old timers remember it, is pretty much a dead horse. It
    was purchased by AOL, so we know what that's now worth.

    Quoted message said:

    There is Mozilla Suite or Seamonkey for that integrated
    browser/email/news 'experience'.


    That should read, "Mozilla Suite, which has been renamed Seamonkey,
    for...." Both Seamonkey, the suite, and Firefox and Thunderbird,
    separate browser and mail client apps, are direct decendents of the
    old Netscape and will make ol' "scapers" feel right at home. Either
    are a great choice for Windows users who know better than to actually
    use IE or OE.


    I use an old version of Agent. I tried the latest version less than a
    year ago and it took me an entire month to configure it to my liking.
    That's why I didn't upgrade (which would have meant buying it again).
    I'm not going to give monetary support to something that complicated
    with so many features I don't want.


    That's one of the reasons I never bothered with it; I read a number of
    computer groups whose participants are pretty savvy about all manner of
    'puter-related stuff, and the commentary on some of the stand-alones
    made me think I'd rather spend my time reading the news than configuring
    the reader 😉

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I should have said "what do you use for a news reader" because she's
    going to need suggestions.

    You aren't kidding!!! You folks are great, and I really appreciate
    your help. I'm really going to have to study this-I'm getting nowhere!
    I tried the Motzarella, and all the info is in German! I did have a
    little success with outlook, but it doesn't seem very user friendly,
    at least to my little feeble brain. But I DO resolve to get thru this.
    Sad, huh? I bet I could get my 9 year old to help me, but I'll ask the
    hubby. I was trying to figure this out on my own so I could learn
    something, but most of it is Greek to me.

    Outlook is actually more user friendly than most newsreaders. It might
    be worth sticking with until you get the hang of it.

    At all costs do not, I repeat DO NOT, ever try the Microplanet Gravity
    newsreader. It was created by evil gnomes who hate their users.

    --
    Peter Aitken

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