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HELP: Estrogens problem?

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  1. Hi to all!

    I'll try to make this short. I have been trying to exercise for many
    years - with all kinds of routines and several different trainers. I
    had a good diet. Everything was by and not by the book. ZERO gains. All
    my upper limbs became dystrophic over time and it seemed nothing is
    gonna help. My belly got so big with the rest of my body lean (funny, I
    know). Next came, not very long ago, the loss of sexual drive (from low
    to nothing). I have tested testosterone since 18, also bioavailable T,
    it was always on the low part of the scale but 'normal'.

    Luckily, I have seen an andrologist that after some experimentation
    suggested that for young people T should be above the median norm, as
    the norm is built for 18+. He joked I'm right in the norm of 70 years
    old. I started taking T and this is not easy to stabilize but lately
    it's always in the upper half of the norm. I take about 200mg/week in a
    long acting depot form.
    This did return my libido and some (only some) acne.

    I was very skeptic about any gains in the gym (apparently wasting a lot
    of money and never going there - not quite motivating not to say
    traumatic...). Anyway, I started training lately and the baseline
    strength was higher than I have ever achieved with proper training. I
    make considerable gains lately and for me - this is a miracle.

    The only problem is that my weight gets up (fine), nothing to see yet
    (wait, I know) but my belly got even larger. I suspected Estradiol was
    too high - water retention, and got equipped with tamoxifen, Arimidex
    and Proviron - all from the pharmacy, clean and cheap.

    I first tried Tamoxifen 20mg for several days, lost some weight and
    felt terrible, it made lots of side effects and this substance simply
    doesn't seem safe. I have tried Proviron 50mg for the last week, my sex
    drive became like my friends at 16 but no weight loss. Checked plasma
    Estradiol levels and they were 3 times the usual BUT right in the
    middle of the norm for men. My Doc was shocked by the astonishing
    cholesterol profile. She suggested I have statins in the tap water...

    Whatsoever, I don't really know what to do now. Make more abs training
    like a manic? Wait? Change the Proviron dose? Switch to Arimidex? I
    fear the side effects.

    I have been reading this group for years upon years. You seem very
    knowledgeable. Eagerly waiting for your advice!

    Thanks,
    Herb

  2. Quoted message said:

    Luckily, I have seen an andrologist that after some experimentation
    suggested that for young people T should be above the median norm, as
    the norm is built for 18+. He joked I'm right in the norm of 70 years
    old. I started taking T and this is not easy to stabilize but lately
    it's always in the upper half of the norm. I take about 200mg/week in a
    long acting depot form.

    Quoted message said:

    The only problem is that my weight gets up (fine), nothing to see yet
    (wait, I know) but my belly got even larger. I suspected Estradiol was
    too high - water retention, and got equipped with tamoxifen, Arimidex
    and Proviron - all from the pharmacy, clean and cheap.

    What does "got equipped" mean?

    Quoted message said:

    I first tried Tamoxifen 20mg for several days, lost some weight and
    felt terrible, it made lots of side effects and this substance simply
    doesn't seem safe. I have tried Proviron 50mg for the last week, my sex
    drive became like my friends at 16 but no weight loss. Checked plasma
    Estradiol levels and they were 3 times the usual BUT right in the
    middle of the norm for men. My Doc was shocked by the astonishing
    cholesterol profile. She suggested I have statins in the tap water...

    Whatsoever, I don't really know what to do now. Make more abs training
    like a manic? Wait? Change the Proviron dose? Switch to Arimidex? I
    fear the side effects.

    Is your goal to lose stomach fat? Look at your DIET. If your goal is
    to manage your hormone profile then go back to the Andrologist.

    Your stomach isn't fat because of your hormones, by the way. It may
    influence where you store fat (the stomach is male pattern, not female,
    BTW) but the reason you're storing fat is because you're eating more
    calories than you are burning. You can address this by increasing your
    metabolism via exercise, and/or you can address this by reducing the
    number of calories you eat. Most of us find that it's easier to skip
    300 calories than to burn off 300 calories. A combination of skipping
    300 calories PLUS burning off 300 calories works even better.

    I've heard that high intensity interval training is particularly good at
    addressing visceral fat. Can't hurt, in any case.

    Quoted message said:

    I have been reading this group for years upon years. You seem very
    knowledgeable. Eagerly waiting for your advice!

    You've been reading this group for many years AND are eagerly waiting
    our advice? Something doesn't parse.

    Dally

  3. Thanks Dally!

    Quoted message said:

    What does "got equipped" mean?

    That means I went to the pharmacy and bought it, paid whatever way and
    put it in the closet 'just in case'.

    Quoted message said:

    Is your goal to lose stomach fat? Look at your DIET. If your goal is
    to manage your hormone profile then go back to the Andrologist.

    Well, your tongue is sharp (-; Actually both. The knowledge accumulated
    here seems to far surpass my andrologist. He knows about libido and
    testosterone, yohimbine viagra and the like. There it ends. He would
    prescribe me what I want as long as it is even marginally logical.
    Well, maybe we can open misc.fitness.sex here.

    I'You diet advice sounds good and I had good experience losing weight
    by both ways (cutting off and burning). I lost many pounds and still in
    my lowest weight I had this huge gut - smaller but in proportion to the
    rest. In fact the thinner I get the more funny it looks.

    Quoted message said:

    You've been reading this group for many years AND are eagerly waiting
    our advice? Something doesn't parse.

    Yeah, I was a silent reader but didn't have much to contribute. I well
    hope to have in the future. Maybe libido and acne issues will do,
    though these are not THAT frequently posted. It's my first time posting
    so I'm eager to hear. Yeh.

    Thanks a lot Dally!
    Herb

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