Helmets - again!

Just zis Guy said:

Colin Blackburn said:

Don't be silly! You do get a protective kipper tie.

And leather patches for the elbows of your tweed jacket.

That's only for the low-rider recumbent training.

Colin

On 06/08/2005 13:09:53 Colin Blackburn said:

Buck wrote:

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On 06/08/2005 12:50:12 Colin Blackburn <[email hidden]>
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Buck wrote:

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> It's about time something like this started happening, how are they
> going to implement the training?

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Via the Open University apparently. The training pack comes with a DVD,
course text and a loan bicycle scheme.

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Excellent idea, do you get a helmet?

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Don't be silly! You do get a protective kipper tie.

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Colin (OU Associate Lecturer)

What about pvc elbow patches?

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Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

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Cycling Scotland OTOH have just sent me an email with details of their
trainer training courses.

I am tempted to get a foot on the ladder.

You need training, obviously. It's foot on the pedal ;-)

Cheers, helen s

Buck said:

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Anybody can say that anything is not pro cycling so the original point by Guy is moot.

I don't see Guy saying that cycle lanes are not pro cycling by the way, can you point out those exact words in his post Simon?

A polite request- could you sort out your line wrapping please?
It makes your posts a pig to read when they aren't wrapped at a
sensible width.
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Tim.

Just zis Guy said:

Colin Blackburn said:

Don't be silly! You do get a protective kipper tie.

And leather patches for the elbows of your tweed jacket.

Will they bring back plus fours for cycling or do you have to wear brown
cordrouy trousers tucked in your socks?

--
Tony

"Don't argue the matter, the difficulties will argue for themselves"
-W.S. Churchill

Buck said:

What about pvc elbow patches?

ITYM expanded polystyrene - the ultimate protective material for your
elbows.

--
Tony

"Don't argue the matter, the difficulties will argue for themselves"
-W.S. Churchill

Buck said:

you know? said:

At Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:43:43 GMT, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Buck
<[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the following:

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Peter, there are those on here who actually argue against anything pro
cycling on the grounds that anything that makes cyclists different will
discourage cycling,

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Really? Can you think of anything pro cycling which people here have
argued against?

Over the last couple of years we have had people saying things like the use
of cycle lanes will ultimately lead to bicycles being banned from the roads
so cycle lanes should be abolished/ignored.

You think cycle lanes are pro-cycling? I certainly don't.

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Dave...

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You think cycle lanes are pro-cycling? I certainly don't.

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Dave...

I certainly don't think cycle lanes in the UK do anything to encourage
cycling. There are more often than not, not needed, badly designed, badly
situated, potentially lethal to cyclists and add to the erronous opinion of
too many motorists that cyclists have no place on the road. I avoid cycle
lanes whenever possible.

Cheers, helen s

Buck said:

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Peter, there are those on here who actually argue against anything
pro cycling

This "anything pro cycling" - what is this, exactly? And who decides
what is "pro cycling"? Judging by the responses so far, you have an some
odd ideas concerning what is "pro cycling", and you are more than ready
ram your opinion down the throat of anyone who disagrees. But I could be
wrong.

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on the grounds that anything that makes cyclists
different will discourage cycling, also on newsgroups very few people
have "personal" opinions, a lot of folk are here just so they can ram
their opinions down the throats of others.

--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

On 06/08/2005 14:51:25 Tim said:

On 2005-06-08, Buck <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Anybody can say that anything is not pro cycling so the original point by
Guy is moot.

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I don't see Guy saying that cycle lanes are not pro cycling by the way,
can you point out those exact words in his post Simon?

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A polite request- could you sort out your line wrapping please? It makes
your posts a pig to read when they aren't wrapped at a sensible width.

I would gladly do so if I had any idea what you were talking about.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

On 06/08/2005 15:45:44 'dkahn400 said:

On 06/07/2005 22:39:34 "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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At Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:43:43 GMT, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Buck
<[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the following:

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> Peter, there are those on here who actually argue against anything pro
> cycling on the grounds that anything that makes cyclists different will
> discourage cycling,

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Really? Can you think of anything pro cycling which people here have
argued against?

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Over the last couple of years we have had people saying things like the
use of cycle lanes will ultimately lead to bicycles being banned from the
roads so cycle lanes should be abolished/ignored.

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You think cycle lanes are pro-cycling? I certainly don't.

Do you think they are anti-cycling?

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

On 06/08/2005 15:51:00 'wafflycat' waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk said:

"dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You think cycle lanes are pro-cycling? I certainly don't.

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-- Dave...

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I certainly don't think cycle lanes in the UK do anything to encourage
cycling. There are more often than not, not needed, badly designed, badly
situated, potentially lethal to cyclists and add to the erronous opinion
of too many motorists that cyclists have no place on the road. I avoid
cycle lanes whenever possible.

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Cheers, helen s

We have some very good lanes in Medway, not many I grant you but some. The council is now listening to cyclists however about providing utility routes rather than "token" routes.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

On 06/08/2005 17:54:42 JLB said:

Buck wrote:

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Peter, there are those on here who actually argue against anything pro
cycling

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This "anything pro cycling" - what is this, exactly? And who decides what
is "pro cycling"? Judging by the responses so far, you have an some odd
ideas concerning what is "pro cycling", and you are more than ready ram
your opinion down the throat of anyone who disagrees. But I could be
wrong.

Yeah whatever, one of the more boring responses.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

At Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:01:34 GMT, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Buck
<ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk>, including some, all or none of the
following:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Over the last couple of years we have had people saying things like the
use of cycle lanes will ultimately lead to bicycles being banned from the
roads so cycle lanes should be abolished/ignored.

Quoted message said:

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You think cycle lanes are pro-cycling? I certainly don't.

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Do you think they are anti-cycling?

That's an evasion, though. You stated that people have knocked things
which are pro-cycling; the example you give is cycle lanes. So we
might reasonably infer that you think they are pro-cycling - however,
you don't appear to accept that inference.

I'm with Dave: I'd quite like to know whether you are, in fact,
stating that cycle lanes are pro-cycling. Whether anyone believes
they are anti-cycling is irrelevant to that question.

Actually I don't think cycle lanes are anti-cycling; I think they are
very often the result of cluelessness on the part of people who have
been asked to "do something" about cyclists and have no idea what the
"something" should be. I have seen good cycle provision. But not
often, and I have certainly seen the existence of cycle lanes lead to
some profoundly anti-cycling behaviour.

Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

in message <[email hidden]>,

David Martin (') said:

JohnB said:

Colin Blackburn said:

Buck wrote:
> On 06/08/2005 12:40:55 "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>Folks, it's not all gloom - as you may know, the Government has
>>given CTC
>>a quarter of a million over two years to facilitate cycle
>>training. I cannot imagine that any cyclist could see this as
>>anything other than positive!
>
> It's about time something like this started happening, how are
> they going to implement the training?

Via the Open University apparently. The training pack comes with a
DVD, course text and a loan bicycle scheme.

Do you have any contacts/links for this?
Is it aimed at cyclists wanting instruction, or training of new
instructors? Only today I've been approached by someone wanting to
train as an instructor. There doesn't seem to be anything on the CTC
website.

Cycling Scotland OTOH have just sent me an email with details of their
trainer training courses.

Oooh!

Who does one write to? Mail me off-list if you don't want to post the
address here.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us
;; many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets.
;; Imagination without skill gives us modern art.
;; Tom Stoppard, Artist Descending A Staircase

in message <[email hidden]>, Buck

('ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk') said:

On 06/08/2005 15:45:44 'dkahn400 said:

On 06/07/2005 22:39:34 "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> At Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:43:43 GMT, message
> <[email hidden]> was posted by Buck
> <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the following:

Quoted message said:

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>> Peter, there are those on here who actually argue against anything
>> pro cycling on the grounds that anything that makes cyclists
>> different will discourage cycling,

Quoted message said:

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> Really? Can you think of anything pro cycling which people here
> have argued against?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Over the last couple of years we have had people saying things like
the use of cycle lanes will ultimately lead to bicycles being banned
from the roads so cycle lanes should be abolished/ignored.

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You think cycle lanes are pro-cycling? I certainly don't.

Do you think they are anti-cycling?

For the most part, yes.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; lovely alternative to rice.

you know? said:

I'm with Dave: I'd quite like to know whether you are, in fact, stating
that cycle lanes are pro-cycling. Whether anyone believes they are
anti-cycling is irrelevant to that question.

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Actually I don't think cycle lanes are anti-cycling; I think they are very
often the result of cluelessness on the part of people who have been asked
to "do something" about cyclists and have no idea what the "something"
should be. I have seen good cycle provision. But not often, and I have
certainly seen the existence of cycle lanes lead to some profoundly
anti-cycling behaviour.

I think cycle lanes are pro-cycling, while I accept that they could often
use some common sense, but in essence they are a positive thing. To say
something is "often" a result of cluelessness or "often" a token gesture,
does not mean it is always the case. I t is up to us as cyclists to get
involved with our local authorities to make sure these facilities are
wisely administered.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
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It is up to us as cyclists to get
involved with our local authorities to make sure these facilities are
wisely administered.

Have you ever tried doing this? My recent experiences in the area have been
less than positive.

cheers,
clive

At Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:51:29 GMT, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Buck
<ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk>, including some, all or none of the
following:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't think cycle lanes are anti-cycling; I think they are very
often the result of cluelessness on the part of people who have been asked
to "do something" about cyclists and have no idea what the "something"
should be. I have seen good cycle provision. But not often, and I have
certainly seen the existence of cycle lanes lead to some profoundly
anti-cycling behaviour.

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I think cycle lanes are pro-cycling, while I accept that they could often
use some common sense, but in essence they are a positive thing.

Well, there we are going to have to agree to disagree. They may be
laid down in support of a notionally pro-cycling agenda, but the
general standard (and yes this is gradually changing) is very poor.
In the end I would far rather the council subsidise adult cycle
training than send out men with pots of paint. I think that will
encourage more cycling, and have a better safety result.

And fundamentally I don't think we need special provision. There is
plenty of room on the roads for all, provided everybody is sensible.

Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

Buck <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk>typed

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You think cycle lanes are pro-cycling? I certainly don't.

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Do you think they are anti-cycling?

I think some certainly are. (The sort placed in the 'door zone' of
parked cars springs to mind)

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Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.