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Simon Brooke said:

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> I think this must apply to me as well. I have a phobia of spiders, I know it's irrational,
> that they can't hurt me , they are more scared of me than I am of them ( untrue) etc etc
> ,etc... but it's till there and I have in the past crashed a car through a roundabout
> because of it. How much more do I have to "grow up" in you not so humble opinon before I
> will be allowed on the road?

Well, seeing as you asked:

Yes....

Yup, I think you should have treatment for your phobia (which I believe is quite simple and
generally effective) before you drive again. And yes, I think you should be _required_ to. Other
groups who for medical reasons are in danger of suddenly losing control of the car are not
permitted to drive,

Everbody is capable of losing control, the circumstances just vary from person to person.

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and in your case the problem is treatable (and I believe is treatable on the National Health
Service).

Suddenly losing control of a ton of steel doing 60 miles per hour is not funny, and on roads as
crowded as ours are now the chances of someone else being killed are pretty high. If this is a
real risk then it is highly irresponsible of you not to seek treatment.

It's happened once in 27 years.

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<URL: news.bbc.co.uk2179369.stmOpen ↗ > <URL:
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Thanks a bunch! One link led to a pic of a sodding great hairy spider!
:-(

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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

> I think this must apply to me as well. I have a phobia of spiders, I
>> know it's irrational, that they can't hurt me , they are more scared of me than I am of them (
>> untrue) etc etc ,etc... but it's till there and I have in the past crashed a car through a
>> roundabout because of it. How much more do I have to "grow up" in you not so humble opinon
>> before I will be allowed on the road?
>
> Well, seeing as you asked:

Yes....

Yup, I think you should have treatment for your phobia (which I believe is quite simple and
generally effective) before you drive again. And yes, I think you should be _required_ to. Other
groups who for medical reasons are in danger of suddenly losing control of the car are not
permitted to drive, and in your case the problem is treatable (and I believe is treatable on the
National Health Service).

Suddenly losing control of a ton of steel doing 60 miles per hour is not funny, and on roads as
crowded as ours are now the chances of someone else being killed are pretty high. If this is a
real risk then it is highly irresponsible of you not to seek treatment.

<URL: news.bbc.co.uk2179369.stmOpen ↗ > <URL:
londonpsychotherapy.co.ukinvivodesensitisation.htmOpen ↗ > <URL:
google.comsearchOpen ↗ >

None of which answered the question of "How much more do I have to "grow up" in you not so humble
opinon before I will be allowed on the road?

You have to grow up enough to admit when you have problems that could cause you to be a hazard to
other people. Does that answer your question?

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Ian said:

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None of which answered the question of "How much more do I have to "grow up" in you not so
humble opinon before I will be allowed on the road?

You have to grow up enough to admit when you have problems that could cause you to be a hazard to
other people. Does that answer your question?

No.

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marc said:

Ian said:

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None of which answered the question of "How much more do I have to "grow up" in you not so
humble opinon before I will be allowed on the road?

You have to grow up enough to admit when you have problems that could cause you to be a hazard
to other people. Does that answer your question?

No.

When (if) you grow up you will understand that it did.

John B

wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX said:

I had treatment on the NHS. Part of this included "exposure" to my fear - one step at a time. This
meant looking at pictures of wasps - big close-ups of the evil insects that were out to get me!

Sorry let's stop there! :-(

I'm not even sure how I'm gonna sit throught the next bit of Lord of the Rings.

Marc must be edykated coz e writed:

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wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX said:

I had treatment on the NHS. Part of this included "exposure" to my fear - one step at a time.
This meant looking at pictures of wasps - big close-ups of the evil insects that were out to
get me!

Sorry let's stop there! :-(

I'm not even sure how I'm gonna sit throught the next bit of Lord of the Rings.

I'm making sure my daughters do not end up with arachnophobia, we have a house spider living in the
downstairs bathroom, we have given her exclusive residence, she has recently met a mate and has
started to lay eggs, the kids are really looking forward to the hatchlings, the fact that her mate
will expire in a couple of weeks is a little sad but they know that she can live for a couple more
years, I've also found a really nice wolf spider in the garden.

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Ian said:

I'm making sure my daughters do not end up with arachnophobia, we have a house spider living in
the downstairs bathroom, we have given her exclusive residence, she has recently met a mate and
has started to lay eggs, the kids are really looking forward to the hatchlings, the fact that her
mate will expire in a couple of weeks is a little sad but they know that she can live for a couple
more years, I've also found a really nice wolf spider in the garden.

Been there done that doesn't work. Used to hold house spiders on their hands and play with them when
they were younger. Now they won't go near them!

Tony

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Ian said:

I'm making sure my daughters do not end up with arachnophobia, we have a house spider living in
the downstairs bathroom, we have given her exclusive residence, she has recently met a mate and
has started to lay eggs, the kids are really looking forward to the hatchlings, the fact that her
mate will expire in a couple of weeks is a little sad but they know that she can live for a
couple more years, I've also found a really nice wolf spider in the garden.

Been there done that doesn't work. Used to hold house spiders on their hands and play with them
when they were younger. Now they won't go near them!

Tony

Actually it is working, they used to refuse to go into the bathroom if there was a spider in there
but now they are fine.

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Number of times a buzzing insect has gone inside the vent slots in my helmet in the last 500
miles, causing me to panic, stop the bike uncontrollably and yank the thing off my head - at
considerable risk to others around me

I can't believe the hostile and childish remarks that some people are making in reply to this
thread. Its his decision whether or not to wear a helmet - for whatever reasons.

Absolutely; but what when my 10 year old refuses to wear one to the point of not even going out on
a family ride (or even allow you to ask his friend's mum to get his friend to wear one to go out
on a ride with him)at the risk of being uncool, is that an informed decision?

Strangely when cycling proficiency lessons started at school he was clamouring to borrow my Met
crackerjack (too small for me anyway) so as not to miss out. Amusing to see the LBS run out of red
and white reflectors as well! BTW is the Cyc Prof a council not RoSPA sponsored thing now? (waits
for chorus of _what's RoSPA?_)

marc said:

Everbody is capable of losing control (of a car), the circumstances just

vary

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from person to person.

No.

People who pay attention to what other road users are doing and the road conditions, and do not
allow themseleves to be seduced by excessive speed and always drive well maintained vehicles need
never lose control of the vehicles.

They may be hit by other drivers, but they will not lose control.

You dont lose control, you drive too fast and are unable to slow down or take avaoiding action
without passing the limits of traction or stability.

Grow up.

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:00:31 +0100 someone who may be Ian <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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I'm making sure my daughters do not end up with arachnophobia, we have a house spider living in the
downstairs bathroom, we have given her exclusive residence, she has recently met a mate and has
started to lay eggs, the kids are really looking forward to the hatchlings, the fact that her mate
will expire in a couple of weeks is a little sad

He must be a very luck spider to live that long. I thought they were all expendable.

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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:00:31 +0100 someone who may be Ian <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I'm making sure my daughters do not end up with arachnophobia, we have a house spider living in
the downstairs bathroom, we have given her exclusive residence, she has recently met a mate and
has started to lay eggs, the kids are really looking forward to the hatchlings, the fact that her
mate will expire in a couple of weeks is a little sad

He must be a very luck spider to live that long. I thought they were all expendable.

The male common domestic house spider lives about 4 weeks after mating, when he expires the female
eats him, but she does at least wait until he croaks unlike some other types of spider.

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AndyMorris said:

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Everbody is capable of losing control (of a car), the circumstances just

vary

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from person to person.

No.

People who pay attention to what other road users are doing and the road conditions, and do not
allow themseleves to be seduced by excessive speed and always drive well maintained vehicles need
never lose control of the vehicles.

They may be hit by other drivers, but they will not lose control.

You dont lose control, you drive too fast and are unable to slow down or take avaoiding action
without passing the limits of traction or stability.

Grow up.

Will that stop me( or anyone else )sneezing?

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AndyMorris said:

Quoted message said:

Everbody is capable of losing control (of a car), the circumstances just

vary

Quoted message said:

from person to person.

No.

People who pay attention to what other road users are doing and the road conditions, and do not
allow themseleves to be seduced by excessive speed and always drive well maintained vehicles need
never lose control of the vehicles.

They may be hit by other drivers, but they will not lose control.

You dont lose control, you drive too fast and are unable to slow down or take avaoiding action
without passing the limits of traction or stability.

Grow up.

Will that stop me( or anyone else )sneezing?

Do you steer your car with your nose?

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(marc) said:

AndyMorris said:

Quoted message said:

Everbody is capable of losing control (of a car), the circumstances just

vary

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from person to person.

No.

You dont lose control, you drive too fast and are unable to slow down or take avaoiding action
without passing the limits of traction or stability.

Grow up.

Will that stop me( or anyone else )sneezing?

If you lose control of the car when you sneeze, you should _definitely_ stop driving. I'm serious.

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Simon Brooke said:

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> Everbody is capable of losing control (of a car), the circumstances just
vary
> from person to person.

No.

You dont lose control, you drive too fast and are unable to slow down or take avaoiding action
without passing the limits of traction or stability.

Grow up.

Will that stop me( or anyone else )sneezing?

If you lose control of the car when you sneeze, you should _definitely_ stop driving. I'm serious.

Everyone looses control of the vehicle when they sneeze, it is in fact a recognised defence .

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marc said:

Everyone looses control of the vehicle when they sneeze, it is in fact a recognised defence .

Its the sort of bollocks that no doubt goes down a storm with a jag driving JP.

You get a warning before a sneeze, you can stuff a finger up your nose while you pull over and stop,
you can drive with a snot rag on your lap, slowly enough so that you will not hit anything in the
second it takes to sneeze.

You do not have a right to drive a car, you have a license.

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AndyMorris said:

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Everyone looses control of the vehicle when they sneeze, it is in fact a recognised defence .

Its the sort of bollocks that no doubt goes down a storm with a jag driving JP.

Don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like it take it up with your local JP, although I would have
thought you would need a crown court to over turn the precedent now or maybe not even that as a
sneeze is classed as an act of god.

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You get a warning before a sneeze, you can stuff a finger up your nose while you pull over and
stop, you can drive with a snot rag on your lap, slowly enough so that you will not hit anything
in the second it takes to sneeze.

You seem to have different sneezes to me, mine is a whole body experience that arrives often without
warning, maybe you should start considering that other people are not the same as you?

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You do not have a right to drive a car, you have a license.

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(marc) said:

AndyMorris said:

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Everyone looses control of the vehicle when they sneeze, it is in fact a recognised defence .

Its the sort of bollocks that no doubt goes down a storm with a jag driving JP.

Don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like it take it up with your local JP, although I would
have thought you would need a crown court to over turn the precedent now or maybe not even that as
a sneeze is classed as an act of god.

OK, let's suppose that when you sneeze you lose control of the car. And let's suppose when you lose
control of the car you plough into a 'walking bus' of teenie-weenies going to school. Is the fact
that (according to you) losing control of the car when you sneeze is a valid _legal_ excuse going to
salve your conscience?

In my opinion, if you lose control of the car when you sneeze you should tear up your driving
license - right now - and sell the car.

If you lose control of your car when you see a spider, you should go to a psychiatrist, and you
should not drive again until you have undergone treatment.

Just because you can weasel out a legal excuse for something doesn't make it morally acceptable.
Losing control of a car is not funny and should not be taken lightly. If you genuinely believe that
there are risk factors which make you likely to lose control, you SHOULD NOT DRIVE.

Oh, and, AI .sig selector at it's creative best.

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...but have you *seen* the size of the world wide spider?

Simon Brooke said:

If you genuinely believe that there are risk factors which make you likely to lose control, you
SHOULD NOT DRIVE.

There are risk factors that are likely to make anyone loose control ( Sneezing is one) are you
suggesting that no one ever drives ?