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Helmet research?

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  1. I just wondered, with all this talk about helmets not having any
    positive benefit, if there had been any collation of the type of head
    injury deaths or serious injuries most prevalent since their compulsory
    introduction in certain countries as marked against the type of head
    injury deaths/injuries before.

    I.E.
    Had rotational injuries causing death or serious injury increased,
    decreased or stayed the same?

    If there was no significant drop in other fatal or serious head injuries
    it would then be shown that wearing helmets was in fact more dangerous
    than not. This would be a difficult statistic to argue against if one
    then wanted to introduce compulsion.

    Still they probably don't collate figures like this because of that very
    reason.

    Just wondered.

    Sniper8052

  2. On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:37:58 GMT someone who may be
    "Sniper8052(L96A1)" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    If there was no significant drop in other fatal or serious head injuries
    it would then be shown that wearing helmets was in fact more dangerous
    than not. This would be a difficult statistic to argue against if one
    then wanted to introduce compulsion.

    Unlike helmet zealots, the pro-choice lobby is not showered with
    tax-payer's money to look at the issue. Any such information would
    probably be referenced from www.cyclehelmets.org.

    Quoted message said:

    Still they probably don't collate figures like this because of that very
    reason.

    The question of what data is collected and what is presented is an
    interesting one. Those who collect and present the "official" data
    are the ones who are responsible for road "safety". Thus it is no
    surprise that the figures they present "show" things are getting
    better, with a few blips. This can be quite ruthless, as the
    suppression of the Isles Report demonstrates.

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  3. David Hansen said:

    The question of what data is collected and what is presented is an
    interesting one. Those who collect and present the "official" data
    are the ones who are responsible for road "safety". Thus it is no
    surprise that the figures they present "show" things are getting
    better, with a few blips. This can be quite ruthless, as the
    suppression of the Isles Report demonstrates.

    So where can one obtain a copy of the Isles report? (Not a sarky
    question, I'm interested to read it)

    R.

  4. Richard said:

    So where can one obtain a copy of the Isles report? (Not a sarky
    question, I'm interested to read it)

    You'll be lucky, is the answer. It was suppressed, leaked to the
    press, and never openly published to my knowledge. But you can read
    about it - and about the earlier research which it duplicated - in
    Risk by John Adams. Well worth reading.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
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    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  5. Just zis Guy said:
    Richard said:

    So where can one obtain a copy of the Isles report? (Not a sarky
    question, I'm interested to read it)

    You'll be lucky, is the answer. It was suppressed, leaked to the
    press, and never openly published to my knowledge. But you can read
    about it - and about the earlier research which it duplicated - in
    Risk by John Adams. Well worth reading.

    There is this discussion of the Isles report

    http://www.eirbyte.com/gcc/info/seatbelts.html#_ednref1

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

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