Helium spokes spinning

jeff-<< I bought a used pair of Mavic Heliums and when I
went to true the front wheel, most of the spokes spin in the
hub. I lubed the nipples but that didn't help much. Any
suggestions on fixing the straight pull spokes to the hub?

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United Bicycle Parts have a tool called a 'twist assist', a
modified third hand that holds the spokes so they will not
rotate. Use on all straight pull spoked wheels.about $18.

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jeff-<< I bought a used pair of Mavic Heliums and when I
went to true the front wheel, most of the spokes spin in
the hub. I lubed the nipples but that didn't help much.
Any suggestions on fixing the straight pull spokes to the
hub? >><BR><BR>

United Bicycle Parts have a tool called a 'twist
assist', a modified third hand that holds the spokes so
they will not rotate. Use on all straight pull spoked
wheels.about $18.

Peter Chisholm

Dear Peter,

Perhaps this "twist assist" is a different sort of tool or
procedure, but I'm curious if it's the sort of approach that
Jobst Brandt mentioned a few years ago as being ineffective:

[John Bigboote wrote:]

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Wouldn't it be simple enough to grasp the spoke near the
nipple (on the "butted" part, if possible) while
tightening, using needlenose pliers or somesuch, thereby
eliminating the possibility of twisting and ensuring the
integrity of the build once the wheel is ridden?

[Jobst replied:] This suggestion often comes up and it boils
down to that you can't hold a tight spoke against rotation
without damaging the it. I used to watch Wheelsmith build
wheels with smooth jawed pliers until I challenged Rick to
put some post-its on the spokes to see how much good it was
doing... end of exercise.

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If you (or anyone else) have this "twist assist" tool, can
you test it for us by putting a flag of some kind on the
spoke, as Jobst suggests, and seeing whether the flag twists
despite the tool?

Unfortunately, the United Bicycle Parts site insists that
everyone register with their site before permitting anyone
to view what they sell.

Carl Fogel

Carl Fogel said:

Perhaps this "twist assist" is a different sort of tool or
procedure, but I'm curious if it's the sort of approach
that Jobst Brandt mentioned a few years ago as being
ineffective:

See:
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BCarl Fogel said:

Perhaps this "twist assist" is a different sort of tool or
procedure, but I'm curious if it's the sort of approach
that Jobst Brandt mentioned a few years ago as being
ineffective:

See:
harriscyclery.netpage.cfmOpen ↗

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| simple, neat, and wrong. | --H. L. Mencken |
+--------------------------------------------------+ Harris
Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX
617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.comOpen ↗ Hard-to-find parts
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Dear Sheldon,

Aha! That's a twist-REsist, which may be from
a different company at three times the price
and a left and right version:

"Competition Cycles Services Twist-Resist Spoke
Clamp, RIGHT HAND, prevents spoke wind-up
(TL4610) $67.95"

Being easily puzzled, I couldn't figure out
from the picture how it works, but the
Barnett manual calls it "invaluable with
straight-pull and non-round spokes" and
dismisses the slot-type tools from other
manufacturers as being "not as effective
as the Twist-Resist 2."

http://www.bbinstitute.com/BM5%20chap%2017.pdf

I looked, but I couldn't find a picture of this
intriguing tool in action. I'm guessing that
it grips the spoke at ninety degrees to the
angle at which an ordinary pair of pliers would
grab?

Thanks for the link and the assurance that
they work.

Carl Fogel