Goodbye!

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Curt James said:

Dally <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

So, Curt, are you okay with this? You think it's childish and idiotic of
me to object to TBR - who lives a half hour drive from me - from making
plans to seek me out with David? You still think he's funny?

I suspect it was satire. Inappropriate, that is true, but satire
nonetheless.

You get to feel laissez-faire about it. I don't.

Quoted message said:

What you're doing,
imo, is jumping up on a soapbox while screaming "LOOKIT ME!"

Or talking with my friends. Your call. (I suspect you're projecting.)

Quoted message said:

Your kid is six years old and was invited to practice at a dojo in
your area? I read that somewhere in MFW and had to laugh.

His father & two siblings go. He's been "invited" several times - by his
father, by the instructors who know our family, by his brother. "C'mon,
why don't you come, too?" That's an invitation. What's so
funny/strange/unbelievable about that? The dojo is an option - more so
for him than for most six-year-olds, I suspect.

Quoted message said:

But don't put on
your face of indignation and ask if I'm /okay with this/.

You think this is all a game. It's not. This is a real life and I'm part
of a usenet commmunity. You think we're all silly voices playing in your
head for your amusement. That's the troll philosophy. I'm in a different
reality than you are.

Quoted message said:

If you're concerned about the continued safety of your child
(especially when you're aware that a so-called Well Known Troll lives
a mere half-hour drive from your home) then don't comment on your
child to a Usenet group.

What an [censored]. Saying I'm not allowed to talk about my family if I
don't want them molested? Get a grip. It's NOT okay to threaten my
family. It's really not. Even if I give out personal information, it's
STILL not okay to threaten to harm a child. Even if you THINK IT MIGHT BE
SATIRE. It crosses a line that isn't okay to cross.

Ya know, it is very interesting to me that Curt is talking about how it is
OK for some ultimate creep to molest your children. And he is apparently
some kind of school teacher?? And he teaches grade school children??
Doesn't anybody think this is ultimately creepy and possibly dangerous?

It also points out how the trolls are dilgently trying to deny the use of
the newsgroup to others who want to have valid discussions.

Lee Michaels said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Ya know, it is very interesting to me that Curt is talking about how it is
OK for some ultimate creep to molest your children.

He's not saying it's okay, he's saying I'm grandstanding by objecting.
I ought to be okay with it because I used to post under my real name and
I therefore (??) deserve any criminal acts that befall me.

Quoted message said:

And he is apparently
some kind of school teacher?? And he teaches grade school children??
Doesn't anybody think this is ultimately creepy and possibly dangerous?

Well, yes, it is. Which is precisely why I'm giving him a chance to
rethink his position.

Quoted message said:

It also points out how the trolls are dilgently trying to deny the use of
the newsgroup to others who want to have valid discussions.

They may work diligently at it, but I'm fairly oblivious to it because
of the use of killfiles. That "parenting advice needed" thread was
completely different when I went to look at it on google. From my
normal perspective what I saw was I got some good advice, some workable
options, and a bit more illuminated about how to handle aggression in
boys. The usenet community worked. I posted it here rather than in
misc.kids because I share many of the values of the people who post here.

But when I went and looked at it on google (preparing the abuse report)
i saw a completely different thread - 97 posts and most of them from
people I have killfiled.

Dally

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Lee Michaels said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Ya know, it is very interesting to me that Curt is talking about how it
is OK for some ultimate creep to molest your children.

He's not saying it's okay, he's saying I'm grandstanding by objecting. I
ought to be okay with it because I used to post under my real name and I
therefore (??) deserve any criminal acts that befall me.

Quoted message said:

And he is apparently some kind of school teacher?? And he teaches grade
school children?? Doesn't anybody think this is ultimately creepy and
possibly dangerous?

Well, yes, it is. Which is precisely why I'm giving him a chance to
rethink his position.

Quoted message said:

It also points out how the trolls are dilgently trying to deny the use of
the newsgroup to others who want to have valid discussions.

They may work diligently at it, but I'm fairly oblivious to it because of
the use of killfiles. That "parenting advice needed" thread was
completely different when I went to look at it on google. From my normal
perspective what I saw was I got some good advice, some workable options,
and a bit more illuminated about how to handle aggression in boys. The
usenet community worked. I posted it here rather than in misc.kids
because I share many of the values of the people who post here.

But when I went and looked at it on google (preparing the abuse report) i
saw a completely different thread - 97 posts and most of them from people
I have killfiled.

Dally

I think your dojo teacher might be on the phone - begging for your little
boy to enroll.

Dally said:

But when I went and looked at it on google (preparing the abuse report)
i saw a completely different thread - 97 posts and most of them from
people I have killfiled.

Yeah right, stick with that story.

Dally said:

Curt James wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

imo, is jumping up on a soapbox while screaming "LOOKIT ME!"

Or talking with my friends. Your call. (I suspect you're projecting.)

Projecting. Hnh. Maybe so, but you don't have to suspect anything if
you possessed any scant bit of reading comprehension, Dally. I stated
in my post that I believe we are ALL seeking attention.

*Your* attention-seeking, however, does NOTHING to aid in the safety
of your child.

Quoted message said:

[...] I'm in a different reality than you are.

I'm relieved by that, naturally.

Now, before I go on, while I believe you're something of a twit, I
will state that I wish you and your family absolutely no harm by
anyone on this planet. Long life and continued good health to you and
yours, Dally. There.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you're concerned about the continued safety of your child
(especially when you're aware that a so-called Well Known Troll lives
a mere half-hour drive from your home) then don't comment on your
child to a Usenet group.

What an [censored]. Saying I'm not allowed to talk about my family if I
don't want them molested?

Quoted message said:

Get a grip.

^^^^^^^^^^^

More on this later.

Quoted message said:

It's NOT okay to threaten my
family. It's really not. Even if I give out personal information, it's
STILL not okay to threaten to harm a child. Even if you THINK IT MIGHT
BE SATIRE. It crosses a line that isn't okay to cross.

I'm stating fact. I either a) never knew you had a child or b) had
forgotten you had a child. Perhaps TBR would say the same.

So, if you're sincere in your belief that TBR is a threat to the
safety of that child then reminding him that there IS a child there,
just 30 minutes from your location (which you've also advertised) is
probably a bad idea. Wouldn't you agree?

And you didn't answer my question:

Have you contacted the police?

I strongly suspect that you're boasting or preening online and have
taken no steps whatsoever (so far as contacting authorities/law
enforcement in your town or, hey, he's only 30 minutes away, right? I
think you might do well to visit the cops in HIS town) as you realize
that TBR is not a threat to you or your loved ones.

Having said that, I will relate that there was apparently a murder
committed by a visitor to rec.arts.bodyart. Many read his messages -
though, iirc, there were only a few - and then (I for one, at least)
saw a follow-up post offering information that this very same
individual had murdered another man, thought this other man was
apparently not a Usenet contact of his murderer.

As a longtime Usenet participant in a number of newsgroups, I've been
witness to more than one threat of physical IRL violence from one
patron to another. I've even been asked to die (mentioned that one
before, I believe, and, yeah, my one death-wisher is now dead - karma?
I wonder) by a Usenet patron. But, for the most part, I would guess,
the instances of Internet and Usenet threat-making are puffery. Smoke.
Threats without substance and with no actual basis for worry or
concern.

You, perhaps, are the one who needs to get a grip.

Still, forewarned...

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

But when I went and looked at it on google (preparing the abuse report) i
saw a completely different thread - 97 posts and most of them from people
I have killfiled.

Which just points out just how trolls degrade the usenet experience for
anybody. You wanted useful information and an intelligent discussion. Both
things that trolls violently protest.

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dally said:

Curt James wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

imo, is jumping up on a soapbox while screaming "LOOKIT ME!"

Or talking with my friends. Your call. (I suspect you're projecting.)

Projecting. Hnh. Maybe so, but you don't have to suspect anything if
you possessed any scant bit of reading comprehension, Dally. I stated
in my post that I believe we are ALL seeking attention.

*Your* attention-seeking, however, does NOTHING to aid in the safety
of your child.

Quoted message said:

[...] I'm in a different reality than you are.

I'm relieved by that, naturally.

Now, before I go on, while I believe you're something of a twit, I
will state that I wish you and your family absolutely no harm by
anyone on this planet. Long life and continued good health to you and
yours, Dally. There.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you're concerned about the continued safety of your child
(especially when you're aware that a so-called Well Known Troll lives
a mere half-hour drive from your home) then don't comment on your
child to a Usenet group.

What an [censored]. Saying I'm not allowed to talk about my family if I
don't want them molested?

Quoted message said:

Get a grip.

^^^^^^^^^^^

More on this later.

Quoted message said:

It's NOT okay to threaten my
family. It's really not. Even if I give out personal information, it's
STILL not okay to threaten to harm a child. Even if you THINK IT MIGHT
BE SATIRE. It crosses a line that isn't okay to cross.

I'm stating fact. I either a) never knew you had a child or b) had
forgotten you had a child. Perhaps TBR would say the same.

So, if you're sincere in your belief that TBR is a threat to the
safety of that child then reminding him that there IS a child there,
just 30 minutes from your location (which you've also advertised) is
probably a bad idea. Wouldn't you agree?

And you didn't answer my question:

Have you contacted the police?

I strongly suspect that you're boasting or preening online and have
taken no steps whatsoever (so far as contacting authorities/law
enforcement in your town or, hey, he's only 30 minutes away, right? I
think you might do well to visit the cops in HIS town) as you realize
that TBR is not a threat to you or your loved ones.

Having said that, I will relate that there was apparently a murder
committed by a visitor to rec.arts.bodyart. Many read his messages -
though, iirc, there were only a few - and then (I for one, at least)
saw a follow-up post offering information that this very same
individual had murdered another man, thought this other man was
apparently not a Usenet contact of his murderer.

As a longtime Usenet participant in a number of newsgroups, I've been
witness to more than one threat of physical IRL violence from one
patron to another. I've even been asked to die (mentioned that one
before, I believe, and, yeah, my one death-wisher is now dead - karma?
I wonder) by a Usenet patron. But, for the most part, I would guess,
the instances of Internet and Usenet threat-making are puffery. Smoke.
Threats without substance and with no actual basis for worry or
concern.

You, perhaps, are the one who needs to get a grip.

Still, forewarned...

Please Curt, STOP feeding the troll

Curt James said:

Perhaps TBR would say the same.

I had no idea, but I do now.

Quoted message said:

So, if you're sincere in your belief that TBR is a threat to the
safety of that child then reminding him that there IS a child there,
just 30 minutes from your location (which you've also advertised) is
probably a bad idea. Wouldn't you agree?

She doesn't even know where I live. It's 30 minutes allright, but only
via helicopter.

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

What does "get a grip" mean in this situation?

Talking less to Curt.

David

David said:

"JRH" <[email hidden]> wrote

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Have a great Sunday mate - you know I will have another 'quiet one'!
;o)

Laundry awaits, but this Sunday has been very enjoyable. I hope you're
enjoying your Sunday as well.

[...]

Quoted message said:

Maybe when you get a chance, let me know how you get to 'troll' from 'troll
enabler'. When I got this job, I was told there was plenty of room for
advancement.

LMAO! That awesome. :o)

And laughter *always* makes things more enjoyable at that. David, I've
told you, keep hammering away at his beak.

I'm almost certain that was my ticket to the troll "status".

The Proboscis Putz, Schnozilla, Beak Boy, you know.

You can do it, David! Troll, troll, troll!!!

T-t-t-t-ROCKAND~*ROLLLLL!!!!*~

QUICK, SUMBUDDY QUOTE ME! I'M AN ATTENTION-SEEKING SO-CALLED TROLL WHO
WANT TO MAKE SHURR THAT JAY EM WHAT'SHISFACE SEE HIS NICKNAMES, OK???

~*THANKS!!!!!*~

Come on L-L-Larry, show some BACBONE, or bacKbone, you spineless POS.
"Enable me" and offer up one of your cute "arteest" comments.

Oh, yeah, as an aside: I'd like to thank mica for encouraging my
participation in this newsgroup. I probably would have posted my Mr.
Olympia question and never been seen again in this ng without her
encouragement.

Also kudos to JMW for offering up much-appreciated attention via his
traq (troll faq shorthand, of course) with some great pics of yours
truly. It's obvious that his attention and, hey, what some, hnh, HE
would call "troll enabling" has motivated me to increase my number of
posts to this ng.

SAY, JMW, WAS THAT YOUR GOAL? AND CAN YOU DEFINE *DIPSHIT*?

And to Hodges for, uh, well, for nothing, actually. (Just feeling
sympathetic about his invertebrate-ness.) "J-J-J-ust c-can't
t-t-t-take B-b-b-bill I g-guess."

ahahahahAHHAHAH! Hoo! Okay, I'll thank him for the laughs. Awesome.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

David Cohen said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

What does "get a grip" mean in this situation?

Talking less to Curt.

Damn. I hate how you're always right.

Dally

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

David said:

"JRH" <[email hidden]> wrote

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Have a great Sunday mate - you know I will have another 'quiet one'!
;o)

Laundry awaits, but this Sunday has been very enjoyable. I hope you're
enjoying your Sunday as well.

[...]

Quoted message said:

Maybe when you get a chance, let me know how you get to 'troll' from
'troll
enabler'. When I got this job, I was told there was plenty of room for
advancement.

LMAO! That awesome. :o)

And laughter *always* makes things more enjoyable at that. David, I've
told you, keep hammering away at his beak.

I'm almost certain that was my ticket to the troll "status".

The Proboscis Putz, Schnozilla, Beak Boy, you know.

You can do it, David! Troll, troll, troll!!!

T-t-t-t-ROCKAND~*ROLLLLL!!!!*~

QUICK, SUMBUDDY QUOTE ME! I'M AN ATTENTION-SEEKING SO-CALLED TROLL WHO
WANT TO MAKE SHURR THAT JAY EM WHAT'SHISFACE SEE HIS NICKNAMES, OK???

~*THANKS!!!!!*~

Come on L-L-Larry, show some BACBONE, or bacKbone, you spineless POS.
"Enable me" and offer up one of your cute "arteest" comments.

Oh, yeah, as an aside: I'd like to thank mica for encouraging my
participation in this newsgroup. I probably would have posted my Mr.
Olympia question and never been seen again in this ng without her
encouragement.

Also kudos to JMW for offering up much-appreciated attention via his
traq (troll faq shorthand, of course) with some great pics of yours
truly. It's obvious that his attention and, hey, what some, hnh, HE
would call "troll enabling" has motivated me to increase my number of
posts to this ng.

SAY, JMW, WAS THAT YOUR GOAL? AND CAN YOU DEFINE *DIPSHIT*?

And to Hodges for, uh, well, for nothing, actually. (Just feeling
sympathetic about his invertebrate-ness.) "J-J-J-ust c-can't
t-t-t-take B-b-b-bill I g-guess."

ahahahahAHHAHAH! Hoo! Okay, I'll thank him for the laughs. Awesome.

Here's to us and those like us (raising a glass) . . . damned few left!

Dally said:

Curt James said:

But don't put on
your face of indignation and ask if I'm /okay with this/.

You think this is all a game. It's not. This is a real life and I'm
part of a usenet commmunity. You think we're all silly voices playing
in your head for your amusement. That's the troll philosophy. I'm in a
different reality than you are.

Exactly. That seems to be the common thread amongst all listed here:

http://www.rustyiron.net/trollist.htm

None of them cares about the subject matter of this newsgroup. Any
occasional on-topic posts they may make are nothing more than weak
attempts to justify their presence here. Their main purpose is to act
like the child that got kicked in the noggin by your son -- an
obnoxious boy, deperately looking for attention, be it positive or
negative.

Your main mistake was in asking Curt if your thinking was acceptable
to him. Why should anyone give a [censored] what he thinks?

Lee Michaels <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Ya know, it is very interesting to me that

No, Lee, what is interesting to you is an opportunity to make
simplistic and juvenile connections while overlooking or sidestepping
the facts that are in front of your face. Way to go.

Quoted message said:

Curt is talking about how it is OK for some ultimate creep to
molest your children.

Direct me to that post, Lee.

You can't.

What I have done, however, is:

a) point out that she might want to talk less about it on Usenet, thus
giving a truly dangerous individual (which I suspect TBR is not) an
opportunity to actually cover his tracks.

b) state my belief that no one was being serious in their so-called
threat.

c) suggest that she contact the police in her town and to also contact
the police in the alleged threat's town if she truly believes there is
a danger to her or any member of her family.

d) point out that, although I suspect no threat exists, violence by
members of Usenet actually has taken place and that she might want to
be aware of that fact.

e) note that, in my experience, most threats of violence on Usenet
have been mere braggadocio.

f) yeah, preface ALL OF THAT with the statement that I wish her and
her family good health and continued safety.

Quoted message said:

And he is apparently some kind of school teacher??

And you're apparently what?

Quoted message said:

And he teaches grade school children??

And you like to emphasize your so-called questions with multiple
punctuations?????? Duh. You're not asking a question at all. You're
grandstanding for the benefit of your friends. Kudos. Knock yourself
out.

However, I call THAT type of behavior *trollish*, but, hey, what do I
know about trolls, right?

Oh, hold on, doesn't Jay Em's classification (although it's only
opinion-based) make me a subject area expert?

Perhaps. Therefore: TROLL! JM, fire up yer troll thingy. Time for an
update!

Quoted message said:

Doesn't anybody think this is ultimately creepy and possibly dangerous?

No.

Any other questions, Lee?

Wait, let me rephrase that to make it easier for you to grasp:

"Any other questions, Lee??"

Quoted message said:

It also points out how the trolls are dilgently

Dil what? Is that a caring pickle? Dilgently? Hmm.

*You're* a dilly. She's a Dally.

Quoted message said:

trying to deny the use of the newsgroup to others
who want to have valid discussions.

And I'm diligently stating again and again that the person who is
trying to deny the use of the newsgroup to others who want to have
valid discussions is not yours truly, but, rather, what'shisface.

I'll use Dally's recommendation, Lee: Get a grip.

Hth.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dally said:

Curt James said:

But don't put on
your face of indignation and ask if I'm /okay with this/.

You think this is all a game. It's not. This is a real life and I'm
part of a usenet commmunity. You think we're all silly voices playing
in your head for your amusement. That's the troll philosophy. I'm in a
different reality than you are.

Exactly. That seems to be the common thread amongst all listed here:

http://www.rustyiron.net/trollist.htm

None of them cares about the subject matter of this newsgroup. Any
occasional on-topic posts they may make are nothing more than weak
attempts to justify their presence here. Their main purpose is to act
like the child that got kicked in the noggin by your son -- an
obnoxious boy, deperately looking for attention, be it positive or
negative.

Your main mistake was in asking Curt if your thinking was acceptable
to him. Why should anyone give a [censored] what he thinks?

She cares mainly because Curt is a sensitive and intelligent person and she
is a caring and thoughtful individual who appreciates such a person.

David <[email hidden]> wrote:

re Lee Michaels

[...]

Quoted message said:

Where did Curt ever say it is OK for anyone to [...]
Tell me where he said that you ultimate [censored].

Ultimate [censored]? Lee Michaels? Hardly.

David, he's just a garden variety patron of a newsgroup. Irritated by
the signal-to-noise ratio being hellbent for noise while he'd prefer
to talk about weights. Oh, yeah, and make veiled accusations.

At worst, I'd possibly call him a misdirected schmuck. I doubt he's
the ultimate in anything.

Hey, thanks for the words, though.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Dally said:

But when I went and looked at it on google (preparing the abuse report)
i saw a completely different thread - 97 posts and most of them from
people I have killfiled.

I do the same. The old Brit is always accusing everyone of having
"alleged killfiles" because it horrifies him to believe that people
would actually consider his posts irrelevant. He's obviously wrong.
However, when Agent downloads messages, it momentarily flashes the
number of headers actually found before the filters take effect. When
more than half the messages are filtered, I occasionally check Google
to see just how extensive the troll dialogue is. In my experience,
about 2/3 is Bill Davidson, constantly changing usernames and email
addresses in a desperate attempt to get someone to respond.

Dally <[email hidden]> wrote:

(snipped here and there)

Quoted message said:

Lee Michaels said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Ya know, it is very interesting to me that Curt is talking about how

He's not saying it's okay,

There you go, Lee. Even Dally disagrees with you.

Lee, a guy, at least one person has called the ultimate [censored].

Quoted message said:

he's saying I'm grandstanding by objecting.
I ought to be okay with it because I used to post under my real name and
I therefore (??) deserve any criminal acts that befall me.

Did I say that? Look again. And this time read for comprehension.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Doesn't anybody think this is ultimately creepy and possibly dangerous?

Well, yes, it is. Which is precisely why I'm giving him a chance to
rethink his position.

Speaking of rethinking positions, didn't you just say that of the 97
posts, most were constructive and helfpful?

Quoted message said:

97 posts and most of them from people I have killfiled.

What does that tell you? So, you were saying about rethinking? Perhaps
you should do some of your own, eh?

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

JMW said:

Your main mistake was in asking Curt if your thinking was acceptable
to him. Why should anyone give a [censored] what he thinks?

I thought he wasn't a troll. I had him in a category sort of like Om -
not-a-troll-but-plays-with-trolls.

I've now rethought that position. Sorry it took me so long.

Dally

David <[email hidden]> wrote:

I scribbled:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

David said:

"JRH" <[email hidden]> wrote

[...]

Quoted message said:

> Have a great Sunday mate - you know I will have another 'quiet one'!
> ;o)

Laundry awaits, but this Sunday has been very enjoyable. I hope you're
enjoying your Sunday as well.

[...]

Quoted message said:

Maybe when you get a chance, let me know how you get to 'troll' from
'troll
enabler'. When I got this job, I was told there was plenty of room for
advancement.

LMAO! That awesome. :o)

And laughter *always* makes things more enjoyable at that. David, I've
told you, keep hammering away at his beak.

I'm almost certain that was my ticket to the troll "status".

The Proboscis Putz, Schnozilla, Beak Boy, you know.

You can do it, David! Troll, troll, troll!!!

T-t-t-t-ROCKAND~*ROLLLLL!!!!*~

QUICK, SUMBUDDY QUOTE ME! I'M AN ATTENTION-SEEKING SO-CALLED TROLL WHO
WANT TO MAKE SHURR THAT JAY EM WHAT'SHISFACE SEE HIS NICKNAMES, OK???

~*THANKS!!!!!*~

Come on L-L-Larry, show some BACBONE, or bacKbone, you spineless POS.
"Enable me" and offer up one of your cute "arteest" comments.

Oh, yeah, as an aside: I'd like to thank mica for encouraging my
participation in this newsgroup. I probably would have posted my Mr.
Olympia question and never been seen again in this ng without her
encouragement.

Also kudos to JMW for offering up much-appreciated attention via his
traq (troll faq shorthand, of course) with some great pics of yours
truly. It's obvious that his attention and, hey, what some, hnh, HE
would call "troll enabling" has motivated me to increase my number of
posts to this ng.

SAY, JMW, WAS THAT YOUR GOAL? AND CAN YOU DEFINE *DIPSHIT*?

And to Hodges for, uh, well, for nothing, actually. (Just feeling
sympathetic about his invertebrate-ness.) "J-J-J-ust c-can't
t-t-t-take B-b-b-bill I g-guess."

ahahahahAHHAHAH! Hoo! Okay, I'll thank him for the laughs. Awesome.

Here's to us and those like us (raising a glass) . . . damned few left!

CLINK!

Cheers, mate!

Charles, Om, Cohen, Steve, JMW, Queenie (you brittle bit... never
mind), Dally, Hanson, anyone else, a round to MFW's continued good
health?

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/