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  1. The largest criticism of low-carb diets seems to be that people are all
    lying about eating more veggies and are in reality eating bacon
    cheeseburgers and therefore upping their fat intake significantly.

    I ran across the Yudkin study on Dr. Eades blog:
    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/2007/09/11/is-a-calorie-always-a-calorie/

    In the Yudkin study, the low-carb instructions were "Essentially, the
    subjects were asked to take between 10 and 20 oz milk daily (about
    300-600 ml), and as much meat, fish, eggs, cheese, butter, margarine,
    cream and leafy vegetables as they wished. The amount of carbohydrate in
    other food was listed in “units” with each unit consisting of 5 g
    carbohydrate; the subjects were told to limit these foods to not more
    than 10 units (or 50 g) carbohydrate daily."

    So it's not a very low-carb study or anything, as the 50g carb limit
    applied to "other" foods; the participants got a free pass on carbs in
    milk, cheese, cream and leafy veggies. When they looked at what people
    were actually eating on this diet, carbohydrate changed most, with study
    participants going from an average of 216g per day to 67g per day. Not
    terribly low carb, double what Bernstein recommends and triple what is
    allowed on Atkins induciton phase, but certainly a lot lower than a
    "normal" diet or the diet recommended by the ADA.

    Protein barely changed going from an average of 84g before the diet to
    83g on the diet - so much for the myth of a high-protein diet. If you
    manage to cause yourself damage from "all that protein" on a low-carb
    diet, you'd be just as damaged on the normal pre-study diet.

    Fat *decreased* from 124g to only 105g per day. While eating "as much
    meat, fish, eggs, cheese, butter, margarine, cream and leafy vegetables
    as they wished," their fat intake went *down*. Apparently, the
    increased fat from meat and dairy was more than offset by the fat not
    used with carbs.

    Apparently, when you tell people they can eat all the bacon
    cheeseburgers they want, they eat a lot less fat as long as they aren't
    having french fries along with it. So much for the criticism of the
    diet having "too much fat."

    Obviously, with both a decrease in carbs and fat, the calories went
    down. The average dropped from 2330 to 1560 spontaneously. I say it
    was "spontaneous" because these folks were instructed to eat as much as
    they wished. No one was trying to limit calories, just carbs.

    The "problem" people have with this type of diet is it looks high-fat.
    It is over 60% of the calories from fat *even* though people cut their
    fat intake by an average of 19g per day! To me, this is a good
    example of why the whole notion of measuring foods in percentages is
    bogus.

    My own favorite example is a large salad with cheese and ranch dressing
    on top, which is a "high-fat" meal since almost all the calories are
    from fat, but becomes "low-fat" as soon as you add a couple cans of Coke
    and a dessert of candy to the meal. Obviously, the fat content doesn't
    change and the cans of Coke don't add anything good to the meal, so the
    whole notion of "high fat" vs. "low fat" isn't a useful distinction.

    How did people feel on the Yudkin diet? "In conformity with our
    experience with this diet during the last 15 years, none of our subjects
    complained of hunger or any other ill effects; on the other hand,
    several volunteered statements to the effect that they had increased
    feeling of well-being and decreased lassitude.”

    The Yudkin study is compared to the Keys study at the link to the Eades
    blog.

    The Keys study was not a diet study in terms of weight loss, but a
    starvation study to determine what would happen to people in
    concentraiton camps during the war. It had a similar level of calories
    - 1570/day. But in the Keys study, fat was at 17% of daily intake
    instead of over 60%.

    The people in the Keys study were locked-in to enforce the diet for 24
    weeks, and went from a normal diet to the low-fat diet halfway through.
    So they were only on the low-fat diet for only 12 weeks.

    In the Keys study, protein was higher at 100g/day, carb was much higher
    at 225g/day and fat was very restricted at 30g/day. So we know the
    protein wasn't inadequate since it was higher than on the Yudkin study,
    the primary difference is lots of carb and little fat for the same total
    calories.

    The effect? "As the time wore on the men thought ceaselessly about
    food, they became lethargic, they were cold all the time, they became
    depressed, they developed bleeding disorders, their ankles became
    edematous, and some developed more serious psychological disorders."

    Lots more discussion at the Eades blog... and these studies are also
    discussed in Taubes book.

    --
    http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

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