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wafflycat

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1671578,00.html

The last paragraph.

"Cyclists rightly want more measures and facilities in their favour, but as
these rights are granted, it is time to accept some responsibility.
Pedestrians and other road users deserve considerate, safe cyclists. Because
civil servants so long made cyclists second-class citizens by planning roads
that in effect designed us out of the system, we have acquired a tremendous
sense of self-righteous entitlement - even to behave badly. It's really time
we got over it. Taking a test would show we have."

He wants to take away our right to use the road. I am gobsmacked.

I have sent a response to Matt Seaton: -

"I usually enjoy reading your column in the Guardian each week, after all
it's not exactly commonplace to have media inches devoted to a cyclist. But
I have to disagree with your proposal that when we are in cycling mode we
should pass a test before being allowed on the roads. Lest you think I'm a
'Lycra Lout' who jumps red lights, rides on the pavement, has no lights at
night... I'm not. I do wear Lycra but I'm a fully paid-up member of the CTC,
and a cycling club local to me, who regularly cycles as a means of transport
for getting from A to B as well as cycling for fun. I've even been known to
venture to foreign soil to ride my bike. I stop at red lights, do not cycle
on the pavement and use lights (multitudinous ones and acres of reflectives
and fluorescents). I have many and varied steeds, all of which I love and
well, let's face it, one can never have too many bikes, bike bits and
accessories.

What I do agree with is cycling legally, safely and assertively, the
extension of good cycle training to do this and joining an organisation such
as the CTC if for no other purpose other than to get the free insurance and
legal assistance which is a part of the membership package. But to make it
mandatory to pass a test before you are allowed to use the road? The
effective licensing of cyclists? No sir!

Why? Well, here goes:-

Firstly, let's look at the actual level of danger cyclists pose on the road
to other road users and to pedestrians. In reality it is extremely small.
The perceived danger that cyclists pose, by worshippers at the Altar of
Clarkson and readers of the Daily Wail, is that cyclists are a huge danger:
they are not. The reality is the main cause of death and injury on road and
footpath is not cyclists, Lycra clad or otherwise, it is motorists. Yes, I
include myself in this as I am a motorist as well as a cyclist and a
pedestrian. So far I haven't killed or injured anyone and I'm trying to keep
it that way. You are probably aware of the figures; about 3500 people killed
each year and tens of thousands more injured by motorists. An average of 1
or 2 persons per year are killed by cyclists. The remainder, some 3498, are
killed by motorists. I hope that gives you a sense of perspective of the
reality of how dangerous cyclists are NOT. When cycling or driving I often
see red-light jumpers. The vast majority of them are fellow motorists.
Clearly having to take a test and be licensed has not dissuaded many a
motorist from jumping red-lights, breaking the speed limit and a whole raft
of other laws. I suggest that the vast majority of motoring red-light
jumpers do it because they can get away with it. Having to take a test and
be licensed has not stopped them from breaking the law. Do you think it
would be any different with cyclists? If cyclists really pose such a huge
danger to other road users do you think that the insurance we can get would
be of such low cost? Insurance is often free as a part of home insurance. It
is included in the more than reasonable cost of joining of joining the CTC
or British Cycling, so the level of risk posed by cyclists is low. If were
as high as the media often suggests, we would not be getting what is
effectively free insurance as insurance companies are not noted for their
generosity.

Secondly, as for facilities - well, no, I and many another card-carrying
bikie actually do not want the pathetic excuses of cycling farcilities
provided by too many a local authority. A white-paint outline drawing of a
bicycle on a footpath does not a facility make. There is already an
excellent network of cycle routes throughout the UK. These are surfaced with
black tarmac and called roads. I find they provide an excellent choice of
routes in getting from A to B and when exploring pastures new, I find an
Ordnance Survey map an excellent aid in working out which are likely to be
the best ones to use. Cycling farcilities on the other hand, and I include
Sustrans routes in this, rarely get me from A to B in a logical fashion,
they do not go where they are needed or wanted [1]. They are often designed
and maintained to such a poor standard that they are more dangerous than
using the road[2].

I am of the opinion that the cycle farcilities often provided by local
authorities and Sustrans actually encourage cyclists to break the law. How
is this? Well, Sustrans promotes facilities to move cyclists off the road
and on to 'facilities'. Local authorities will take a perfectly normal
footpath, paint an outline of a white bicycle on it and hey-presto, a
footpath becomes a 'shared-use facility'. What's a novice cyclist to do when
presented with such confusion? The Highway Code tells us it's an offence to
cycle on the pavement, yet more and more footpaths are seemingly allowed to
be ridden upon and where does the allowed bit start and end? Signage is
often confusing, badly sighted and sometimes, plain wrong[3]. This is why I
use the term cycle 'farcilities' as opposed to 'facilities' as farcilities
is what cyclists are usually provided with. No wonder many a cyclist thinks
it's okay to cycle on the footpath. It's where cyclists are increasingly
encouraged to go by the ever more frequently seen white paint on a footpath
and then cyclists face the wrath of the media for cycling on footpaths...

Thirdly, the main reason I am against what amounts to licensing of cyclists
before allowing them to use the road, is that as cyclists, we have a *right*
in law to use the road, just as pedestrians have. Mandatory licensing takes
away our right. I do not want to give up that right. Do you suggest that the
huge numbers of pedestrians who cross the road when the Pelican crossing
light is on red should have their right taken away unless they have passed a
test to show that they are capable of using such a crossing correctly? It's
the same twisted logic that's being argued for as regards the requirement
for testing of cyclists. I would fight tooth and nail to stop the *right* of
cyclists to use the road. I do not condone dangerous, illegal or
inconsiderate use of the road or footpaths by any user. Nor will I condone
the repression of cyclists' rights to use the road because some cyclists
choose to break the law through ignorance or deliberate action.

Fourthly, you have fallen victim to the bleatings of the worst of the media,
and I cannot overstate how dismayed I am by your column this week. By
suggesting that cyclists should be licensed in the same way motorists are,
you are sending out a signal that we present at least the same level of
danger to other road users as motorists do, when the facts state otherwise.
The main cause of death and injury on our highways is not the cyclist.
Motorists do kill and injure in vast numbers day in, day out, year after
year. When we are in motorist mode I believe we have a very particular duty
of care to those around us due to the very size we present and speed we
travel at.

Finally, I do not seek to excuse cyclists who break the law. I cycle safely,
assertively and legally, as does my husband and my son. I encourage other
cyclists to do the same. If a cyclist does break the law then he or she
should have no complaint when he or she is brought to book, unlike, I hasten
to add, the ever growing clamour in the media by those selfish apologists
for fellow motorists who think that motorists breaking the speed limits are
somehow unfairly taxed innocents. I have no problem with cycle training of
itself. Indeed it's a good thing as being taught assertive, safe and legal
cycling actively helps people stay safe on the roads. I do not thank you for
giving the likes of Jeremy Clarkson and the Daily Mail yet another stick
with which to beat cyclists, overstating the risks cyclists really pose and
adding to the prejudice cyclists face on a daily basis, and now they have a
cyclist who agrees cyclists are uncontrolled louts!

I honestly feel you have done cycling harm with your article in today's
Guardian. You have added to the diverting of attention away from the real
danger on the roads: bad motoring.

Regards, Helen Simmons



[1] http://www.nuttycyclist.co.uk/cycling/farcilities-ncn13.htm

[2] See the excellent Warrington Cycle Campaign website at
http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/
Also look at
http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/cycling/farcilities.html
http://www.nuttycyclist.co.uk/cycling/daft-lanes-index.htm and there's
loads more on the Net

[3] http://www.nuttycyclist.co.uk/cycling/farcilities-signs-sustrans.htm
gives one example. "
 
"wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1671578,00.html
>
> The last paragraph.
>
> "Cyclists rightly want more measures and facilities in their favour, but
> as these rights are granted, it is time to accept some responsibility.
> Pedestrians and other road users deserve considerate, safe cyclists.
> Because civil servants so long made cyclists second-class citizens by
> planning roads that in effect designed us out of the system, we have
> acquired a tremendous sense of self-righteous entitlement - even to behave
> badly. It's really time we got over it. Taking a test would show we have."
>


>
>Waffly bit snipped out
>


But I have already taken a test - it was my Cycling Proficiency Test some
time ago when I was approximately 10. I could probably find the
susstificate (or was it a badge?) if I looked hard enough.

John
 
Your obviously heartfelt letter is far too long for them to consider
publication. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Very best of luck though,

John


"wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1671578,00.html
>
> The last paragraph.
>
> "Cyclists rightly want more measures and facilities in their favour, but
> as these rights are granted, it is time to accept some responsibility.
> Pedestrians and other road users deserve considerate, safe cyclists.
> Because civil servants so long made cyclists second-class citizens by
> planning roads that in effect designed us out of the system, we have
> acquired a tremendous sense of self-righteous entitlement - even to behave
> badly. It's really time we got over it. Taking a test would show we have."
>
> He wants to take away our right to use the road. I am gobsmacked.
>
> I have sent a response to Matt Seaton: -
>
> "I usually enjoy reading your column in the Guardian each week, after all
> it's not exactly commonplace to have media inches devoted to a cyclist.
> But I have to disagree with your proposal that when we are in cycling mode
> we should pass a test before being allowed on the roads. Lest you think
> I'm a 'Lycra Lout' who jumps red lights, rides on the pavement, has no
> lights at night... I'm not. I do wear Lycra but I'm a fully paid-up member
> of the CTC, and a cycling club local to me, who regularly cycles as a
> means of transport for getting from A to B as well as cycling for fun.
> I've even been known to venture to foreign soil to ride my bike. I stop at
> red lights, do not cycle on the pavement and use lights (multitudinous
> ones and acres of reflectives and fluorescents). I have many and varied
> steeds, all of which I love and well, let's face it, one can never have
> too many bikes, bike bits and accessories.
>
> What I do agree with is cycling legally, safely and assertively, the
> extension of good cycle training to do this and joining an organisation
> such as the CTC if for no other purpose other than to get the free
> insurance and legal assistance which is a part of the membership package.
> But to make it mandatory to pass a test before you are allowed to use the
> road? The effective licensing of cyclists? No sir!
>
> Why? Well, here goes:-
>
> Firstly, let's look at the actual level of danger cyclists pose on the
> road to other road users and to pedestrians. In reality it is extremely
> small. The perceived danger that cyclists pose, by worshippers at the
> Altar of Clarkson and readers of the Daily Wail, is that cyclists are a
> huge danger: they are not. The reality is the main cause of death and
> injury on road and footpath is not cyclists, Lycra clad or otherwise, it
> is motorists. Yes, I include myself in this as I am a motorist as well as
> a cyclist and a pedestrian. So far I haven't killed or injured anyone and
> I'm trying to keep it that way. You are probably aware of the figures;
> about 3500 people killed each year and tens of thousands more injured by
> motorists. An average of 1 or 2 persons per year are killed by cyclists.
> The remainder, some 3498, are killed by motorists. I hope that gives you a
> sense of perspective of the reality of how dangerous cyclists are NOT.
> When cycling or driving I often see red-light jumpers. The vast majority
> of them are fellow motorists. Clearly having to take a test and be
> licensed has not dissuaded many a motorist from jumping red-lights,
> breaking the speed limit and a whole raft of other laws. I suggest that
> the vast majority of motoring red-light jumpers do it because they can get
> away with it. Having to take a test and be licensed has not stopped them
> from breaking the law. Do you think it would be any different with
> cyclists? If cyclists really pose such a huge danger to other road users
> do you think that the insurance we can get would be of such low cost?
> Insurance is often free as a part of home insurance. It is included in the
> more than reasonable cost of joining of joining the CTC or British
> Cycling, so the level of risk posed by cyclists is low. If were as high as
> the media often suggests, we would not be getting what is effectively free
> insurance as insurance companies are not noted for their generosity.
>
> Secondly, as for facilities - well, no, I and many another card-carrying
> bikie actually do not want the pathetic excuses of cycling farcilities
> provided by too many a local authority. A white-paint outline drawing of a
> bicycle on a footpath does not a facility make. There is already an
> excellent network of cycle routes throughout the UK. These are surfaced
> with black tarmac and called roads. I find they provide an excellent
> choice of routes in getting from A to B and when exploring pastures new, I
> find an Ordnance Survey map an excellent aid in working out which are
> likely to be the best ones to use. Cycling farcilities on the other hand,
> and I include Sustrans routes in this, rarely get me from A to B in a
> logical fashion, they do not go where they are needed or wanted [1]. They
> are often designed and maintained to such a poor standard that they are
> more dangerous than using the road[2].
>
> I am of the opinion that the cycle farcilities often provided by local
> authorities and Sustrans actually encourage cyclists to break the law. How
> is this? Well, Sustrans promotes facilities to move cyclists off the road
> and on to 'facilities'. Local authorities will take a perfectly normal
> footpath, paint an outline of a white bicycle on it and hey-presto, a
> footpath becomes a 'shared-use facility'. What's a novice cyclist to do
> when presented with such confusion? The Highway Code tells us it's an
> offence to cycle on the pavement, yet more and more footpaths are
> seemingly allowed to be ridden upon and where does the allowed bit start
> and end? Signage is often confusing, badly sighted and sometimes, plain
> wrong[3]. This is why I use the term cycle 'farcilities' as opposed to
> 'facilities' as farcilities is what cyclists are usually provided with. No
> wonder many a cyclist thinks it's okay to cycle on the footpath. It's
> where cyclists are increasingly encouraged to go by the ever more
> frequently seen white paint on a footpath and then cyclists face the wrath
> of the media for cycling on footpaths...
>
> Thirdly, the main reason I am against what amounts to licensing of
> cyclists before allowing them to use the road, is that as cyclists, we
> have a *right* in law to use the road, just as pedestrians have. Mandatory
> licensing takes away our right. I do not want to give up that right. Do
> you suggest that the huge numbers of pedestrians who cross the road when
> the Pelican crossing light is on red should have their right taken away
> unless they have passed a test to show that they are capable of using such
> a crossing correctly? It's the same twisted logic that's being argued for
> as regards the requirement for testing of cyclists. I would fight tooth
> and nail to stop the *right* of cyclists to use the road. I do not condone
> dangerous, illegal or inconsiderate use of the road or footpaths by any
> user. Nor will I condone the repression of cyclists' rights to use the
> road because some cyclists choose to break the law through ignorance or
> deliberate action.
>
> Fourthly, you have fallen victim to the bleatings of the worst of the
> media, and I cannot overstate how dismayed I am by your column this week.
> By suggesting that cyclists should be licensed in the same way motorists
> are, you are sending out a signal that we present at least the same level
> of danger to other road users as motorists do, when the facts state
> otherwise. The main cause of death and injury on our highways is not the
> cyclist. Motorists do kill and injure in vast numbers day in, day out,
> year after year. When we are in motorist mode I believe we have a very
> particular duty of care to those around us due to the very size we present
> and speed we travel at.
>
> Finally, I do not seek to excuse cyclists who break the law. I cycle
> safely, assertively and legally, as does my husband and my son. I
> encourage other cyclists to do the same. If a cyclist does break the law
> then he or she should have no complaint when he or she is brought to book,
> unlike, I hasten to add, the ever growing clamour in the media by those
> selfish apologists for fellow motorists who think that motorists breaking
> the speed limits are somehow unfairly taxed innocents. I have no problem
> with cycle training of itself. Indeed it's a good thing as being taught
> assertive, safe and legal cycling actively helps people stay safe on the
> roads. I do not thank you for giving the likes of Jeremy Clarkson and the
> Daily Mail yet another stick with which to beat cyclists, overstating the
> risks cyclists really pose and adding to the prejudice cyclists face on a
> daily basis, and now they have a cyclist who agrees cyclists are
> uncontrolled louts!
>
> I honestly feel you have done cycling harm with your article in today's
> Guardian. You have added to the diverting of attention away from the real
> danger on the roads: bad motoring.
>
> Regards, Helen Simmons
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.nuttycyclist.co.uk/cycling/farcilities-ncn13.htm
>
> [2] See the excellent Warrington Cycle Campaign website at
> http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/
> Also look at
> http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/cycling/farcilities.html
> http://www.nuttycyclist.co.uk/cycling/daft-lanes-index.htm and there's
> loads more on the Net
>
> [3] http://www.nuttycyclist.co.uk/cycling/farcilities-signs-sustrans.htm
> gives one example. "
 
wafflycat came up with the following;:

> He wants to take away our right to use the road. I am gobsmacked.
>
> I have sent a response to Matt Seaton: -


<snipped a bit>

What an excellent reply, nice one. ;)

--
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(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
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"Charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Your obviously heartfelt letter is far too long for them to consider
> publication. Brevity is the soul of wit.
>
> Very best of luck though,
>
> John
>


It wasn't for publication. It wasn't to the letters' page, it was direct to
the author of the article.

Cheers, helen s
 
John Wilton wrote:

> >

>
> But I have already taken a test - it was my Cycling Proficiency Test some
> time ago when I was approximately 10. I could probably find the
> susstificate (or was it a badge?) if I looked hard enough.
>
> John


I have both my certificate and my badge. As a 10,000 mile a year
cyclist, I choose not to use some facilities yet do use others if they
suit me. Just like roads. Not fair to say I don't want cycling
facilities. It's not worth getting het up about a test for cyclists, it
would take far too much organisation to set up and police, it'll never
happen. Even if it did, like the cat says it wouldn't make every rider
a courteous one and it wouldn't make every driver a courteous one
either, nothing would change, the authorities know this too.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
David Martin ([email protected]) wrote:

> All newspaper columnists are trolls. It is part of the job to incite
> and provoke.


One would hope, though, that as the author of "The Escape Artist" - one
of the better cycling books of recent years, Mr. Seaton would Know
Better.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Me, I wanna be an anglepoise lamp, yeah!
 
Charlie wrote:
> Your obviously heartfelt letter is far too long for them to consider
> publication. Brevity is the soul of wit.
>
> Very best of luck though,
>
> John
>


As Blaise Pascal said roughly translated "I have made this letter longer
than usual, because I lack the time to make it short"

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham
 
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:29:21 -0800, MSeries wrote:

> organisation to set up and police, it'll never happen. Even if it did,
> like the cat says it wouldn't make every rider a courteous one and it
> wouldn't make every driver a courteous one either, nothing would change,
> the authorities know this too.

I accept your point, which is well made.

But we're missing something here. I had to take a test to be allowed to
drive a car on the roads because its dangerous.
Stretching a point, we don't license pedestrians to walk along the
pavement because it is quite safe. We DO license people operating cranes
which move (say) building supplies over their heads.

I don't know about the exact history of automobiles, but I would guess
there were a good few years with no driving tests before 'the authorities'
recognized that people were being killed and injured so brought in the
driving test.
 
"Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> One would hope, though, that as the author of "The Escape Artist" - one
> of the better cycling books of recent years, Mr. Seaton would Know
> Better.
>


That was my thought. What shocked me more than anything was knowing of Matt
Seaton's long cycling history, how he could possibly write such an article.

Cheers, helen s
 
"John Hearns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...

> I accept your point, which is well made.
>
> But we're missing something here. I had to take a test to be allowed to
> drive a car on the roads because its dangerous.
> Stretching a point, we don't license pedestrians to walk along the
> pavement because it is quite safe. We DO license people operating cranes
> which move (say) building supplies over their heads.
>
> I don't know about the exact history of automobiles, but I would guess
> there were a good few years with no driving tests before 'the authorities'
> recognized that people were being killed and injured so brought in the
> driving test.


As I put early on in my long-winded response to Mr Seaton,

"Firstly, let's look at the actual level of danger cyclists pose on the road
to other road users and to pedestrians. In reality it is extremely small.
The perceived danger that cyclists pose, by worshippers at the Altar of
Clarkson and readers of the Daily Wail, is that cyclists are a huge danger:
they are not. The reality is the main cause of death and injury on road and
footpath is not cyclists, Lycra clad or otherwise, it is motorists. Yes, I
include myself in this as I am a motorist as well as a cyclist and a
pedestrian. So far I haven't killed or injured anyone and I'm trying to keep
it that way. You are probably aware of the figures; about 3500 people killed
each year and tens of thousands more injured by motorists. An average of 1
or 2 persons per year are killed by cyclists. The remainder, some 3498, are
killed by motorists. I hope that gives you a sense of perspective of the
reality of how dangerous cyclists are NOT. "

Cheers, helen s
 
Sorry! Thanks for clarifying that. I would still uphold the ideal of
conciseness, being myself inclined to long-windedness!

Cheers,

John

"wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Your obviously heartfelt letter is far too long for them to consider
>> publication. Brevity is the soul of wit.
>>
>> Very best of luck though,
>>
>> John
>>

>
> It wasn't for publication. It wasn't to the letters' page, it was direct
> to the author of the article.
>
> Cheers, helen s
>
 
In article <[email protected]>, John Hearns
([email protected]) wrote:

> I don't know about the exact history of automobiles, but I would guess
> there were a good few years with no driving tests before 'the authorities'
> recognized that people were being killed and injured so brought in the
> driving test.


Compulsory testing for all new drivers was introduced in the UK in 1935.

<URL:http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Category.asp?cat=343>

--
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Nicht in die laufende Trommel greifen.
 
Thanks for bringing my attention to the article. I've emailed the author
and quickly got a reply saying he has sympathy for what I wrote and has
forwarded it to the letters editor, along with others received this morning.

"wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Your obviously heartfelt letter is far too long for them to consider
>> publication. Brevity is the soul of wit.
>>
>> Very best of luck though,
>>
>> John
>>

>
> It wasn't for publication. It wasn't to the letters' page, it was direct
> to the author of the article.
>
> Cheers, helen s
>
 
"Charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sorry! Thanks for clarifying that. I would still uphold the ideal of
> conciseness, being myself inclined to long-windedness!
>
> Cheers,
>
> John


No problemo. I can be a bit longwinded :)

If I'm writing to a letters' page I will try to make it short and more to
the point. But if I'm responding to an individual author, then I allow
myself more liberties.

Cheers, helen s
 
"POHB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for bringing my attention to the article. I've emailed the author
> and quickly got a reply saying he has sympathy for what I wrote and has
> forwarded it to the letters editor, along with others received this
> morning.
>


Most welcome! I hope something gets published in rebuttal. I hope the
letters' editor doesn't choose a mad rant though :)

Cheers, helen s
 
wafflycat wrote:
> "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > One would hope, though, that as the author of "The Escape Artist" - one
> > of the better cycling books of recent years, Mr. Seaton would Know
> > Better.
> >

>
> That was my thought. What shocked me more than anything was knowing of Matt
> Seaton's long cycling history, how he could possibly write such an article.


Quite easily, it seems - he also wrote a piece a few months back
extolling the virtues
of helmets and condemning as sanctimonious fools (OK, I paraphrase
slightly)
anyone who chose to blind themselves to the self-evident benefits of a
plastic hat.

Yes, here we are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1519403,00.html

He fell off. His daughter fell off. They were both wearing lids. They
both survived.
Therefore everyone else must be compelled to wear 'em, and he's going
to ignore statistics because (despite quoting some that look a bit like
BHit's) they are too
difficult for him.

Hmm. I should have had that rantette to the Guardian at the time,
shouldn't I?

John
 

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