Getting to Oban by train with a bike this Saturday !



Hello all

The whole messy story is posted below..... but, v quickly, I'm trying
to get me and my bike to Oban this Saturday... problem: a landslide
has closed the line between Ardlui and Crianlarich and the alternative
bus service ScotRail have laid on doesn't accomodate bikes.... (even
tho I have a passenger ticket and cycle reservation booked weeks ago).

I know CityLink will only take bikes on their buses if (a) there's
space and (b) if the thing is in a bike bag... Neither is an option for
me.... Does anyone know of any other private operator - such as the guy
who conveys bikes from Inverness to Durness/Scrabster ? - who could
help out here ?

Thanks in advance
Hugh www.hughspicer.fsnet.co.uk



From: Hugh Spicer ([email protected]) Tel: 0141 422 1630 /
077 88 178 439
To: Rail Passengers Council
Subject: Travelling on the Glasgow to Oban (FirstScotRail) service on
Sat 22/12/2006




Hello

I am looking for some assistance / clarification in respect of the
above.


Background:

Around six weeks ago I booked (via ScotRail telesales) a passenger
return ticket and cycle reservation for travel on the 0833 Glasgow
Queen Street to Oban service on Sat 22/12/2006.

On Monday (18/12/2006) I checked both the National Rail
(www.nationalrail.co.uk) and FirstScotrail (www.firstscotrail.com)
websites just to ensure there were no problems with the Glasgow - Oban
service (or anticipated problems). On both sites, however, the
following information was provided:


Landslips in the Ardlui and Upper Tyndrum areas
Time Reported: 14 Dec 12:28
Route Affected: Glasgow Queen Street - Dalmuir - Dumbarton Central -
Helensburgh - Arrochar & Tarbet - Ardlui - Crianlarich - Oban/Fort
William/Mallaig
TOC/s Affected: First ScotRail
Description: Train services between Glasgow Queen Street and
Oban/Mallaig are being disrupted due to landslips in the Ardlui and
Upper Tyndrum areas.

Train services between Glasgow Queen Street and Mallaig will terminate
at Arrochar. A replacement bus service will run to Fort William where a
train service will operate to Mallaig. Services from Mallaig to Glasgow
Queen Street will terminate at Bridge of Orchy where a replacement bus
service will run to Glasgow Queen Street.

Train services between Glasgow Queen Street and Oban will operate
between Glasgow Queen Street and Arrochar & Tarbet, and between
Crianlarich and Oban, in both directions. A replacement bus service
will run between Arrochar & Tarbet and Crianlarich.

Sleeper services to and from Fort William are not operating.
Alternative arrangements are being made by First ScotRail for
passengers who have already booked on these trains to use sleeper
services from/to Glasgow Central or Edinburgh.

It is estimated that this disruption will last for up to two weeks.









You will notice there is nothing in the above indicating cycles cannot
be conveyed on the bus service.

I decided, however, to contact FirstScotrail to confirm the travelling
arrangements with a cycle. The email I sent is as follows:



----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Spicer
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: Glasgow to Oban service


Affected:
TOC/s Affected:
Hello

I am looking for some advice concerning travelling on the Glasgow to
Oban service (in view of the info below*). I have booked to travel this
coming Saturday with my bicycle (for which I have a reservation) from
Glasgow Queen Street to Oban. Can you please advise what arrangements
you have for conveying bicycles on the replacement bus service ?

Thanks in advance
Hugh Spicer
________________________________________________________
e: [email protected]
w3: www.hughspicer.fsnet.co.uk

tel: 0141 422 1630
moby: 07788 178 439

63 Calder Street
Flat 2/2
Glasgow
G42 7RR

* this relates to the information above


I received no email response from FirstScotRail so telephoned their
customer services to get clarification. FirstScotrail customer services
inform me - by telephone - that there is no provision for the carriage
of cycles on the replacement bus service and that I won't be able to
take my cycle on the journey that I have booked.

I have a couple of issues with this response. First, if I had not
checked the FirstScotRail and National Rail websites and not been aware
of the problems and had just turned up at Glasgow Queen Street station
on Sat 22/12/2006 would FirstScotRail staff have turned me away saying
my cycle could not be accomodated ? (not very good customer service
considering I have already booked my ticket and cycle reservation many
weeks in advance). Second, on a number of occasions (the most notably
being in July 2006) FirstScotRail have provided taxi services for
cycles when circumstances dictated they could not be accomodated on
train services.

In November 2002 a friend and I were travelling - with cycles - to Kyle
of Lochalsh but, due to various network problems, missed our connection
at Inverness. And what happened ? FirstScotRail provided a taxi shuttle
service between Inverness and Kyle of Lochalsh for my friend and I and
our bikes. More recently, in July 2006, while travelling from Inverness
to Thurso (again with a cycle) FirstScotRail arranged taxi services for
the cycle from Inverness to Thurso due to "customer demand" (there
wasn't, apparently, sufficient cycle-carrying capacity on the Sprinter
trains used on that service). The passengers travelled on the trains
and the cycles travelled on the taxi service.

So if it can be done in these circumstances then why not now ?

I am really annoyed at FirstScotRail's response to this current
situation. I do, of course, realise that this situation has been
brought about by circumstances beyond FirstScotRail's control but
surely they should be able to accomodate all their customers'
requirements in getting them (and their bikes!) to their destinations.

I would also draw your attention to the following information on the
FirstScotRail website:

First ScotRail Cycle Rescue

You can have complete peace of mind when you travel First ScotRail with
your bike. If you are unable to complete the bike portion of your
journey as a result of an accident, vandalism or an irreparable
breakdown to your bike, First ScotRail Cycle Rescue will ensure you and
your bike (if appropriate) are transported at our discretion to:

· the nearest suitable cycle repair shop or
· the nearest appropriate railway station or
· the nearest car rental agency or
· the nearest overnight accommodation or
· your home, if nearer

Simply call freephone emergency helpline 08000 717 212 and we will
assist you according to our terms and conditions. You will need your
valid rail ticket to hand.

First ScotRail Cycle Rescue is operated by ETA Services Ltd. ETA
Services Ltd is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services
Authority (FSA).


I am sorry about the length of this email. But this trip has been
planned for some time to co-incide with a ferry journey from Oban in
respect of a Xmas holiday and if I can't take my cycle to Oban then I
will have to make extremely difficult alternative arrangements. I just
feel that FirstScotRail could do just a little more to help their
customers in this situation.

If there is anything you can do to resolve this situation it would be
very much appreciated.

Yours sincerely



Hugh Spicer
 
[email protected] writes:

>Hello all


>The whole messy story is posted below..... but, v quickly, I'm trying
>to get me and my bike to Oban this Saturday... problem: a landslide
>has closed the line between Ardlui and Crianlarich and the alternative
>bus service ScotRail have laid on doesn't accomodate bikes.... (even
>tho I have a passenger ticket and cycle reservation booked weeks ago).


>I know CityLink will only take bikes on their buses if (a) there's
>space and (b) if the thing is in a bike bag... Neither is an option for
>me.... Does anyone know of any other private operator - such as the guy
>who conveys bikes from Inverness to Durness/Scrabster ? - who could
>help out here ?


<snip>

>Train services between Glasgow Queen Street and Oban will operate
>between Glasgow Queen Street and Arrochar & Tarbet, and between
>Crianlarich and Oban, in both directions. A replacement bus service
>will run between Arrochar & Tarbet and Crianlarich.


That bus trip is about 18 miles with a 150m climb over the second half.
Could you just cycle it?

Roos
 
Not in the timescale to ocnnect with the other train at Crianlarich ;-(


That bus trip is about 18 miles with a 150m climb over the second half.

> Could you just cycle it?
>
> Roos

Roos Eisma wrote:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Hello all

>
> >The whole messy story is posted below..... but, v quickly, I'm trying
> >to get me and my bike to Oban this Saturday... problem: a landslide
> >has closed the line between Ardlui and Crianlarich and the alternative
> >bus service ScotRail have laid on doesn't accomodate bikes.... (even
> >tho I have a passenger ticket and cycle reservation booked weeks ago).

>
> >I know CityLink will only take bikes on their buses if (a) there's
> >space and (b) if the thing is in a bike bag... Neither is an option for
> >me.... Does anyone know of any other private operator - such as the guy
> >who conveys bikes from Inverness to Durness/Scrabster ? - who could
> >help out here ?

>
> <snip>
>
> >Train services between Glasgow Queen Street and Oban will operate
> >between Glasgow Queen Street and Arrochar & Tarbet, and between
> >Crianlarich and Oban, in both directions. A replacement bus service
> >will run between Arrochar & Tarbet and Crianlarich.

>
>
 
[email protected] wrote on 21/12/2006 21:17 +0100:
> Not in the timescale to ocnnect with the other train at Crianlarich ;-(
>
>
> That bus trip is about 18 miles with a 150m climb over the second half.
>


Yep, it seems they leave just 45 minutes to make the connection but I
notice there are three trains a day - could you take an earlier train
and cycle. There would be plenty of time then for the 18 miles.

Alternatively get into the primary position on that road and make the
bus follow you ;-)

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not an option i'm afraid - I have to get the first service to connect
with a ferry at oban ;-(

Tony Raven wrote:
> [email protected] wrote on 21/12/2006 21:17 +0100:
> > Not in the timescale to ocnnect with the other train at Crianlarich ;-(
> >
> >
> > That bus trip is about 18 miles with a 150m climb over the second half.
> >

>
> Yep, it seems they leave just 45 minutes to make the connection but I
> notice there are three trains a day - could you take an earlier train
> and cycle. There would be plenty of time then for the 18 miles.
>
> Alternatively get into the primary position on that road and make the
> bus follow you ;-)
>
> --
> Tony
>
> "...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
> wildly inaccurate..."
> Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
 
[email protected] wrote:

> The whole messy story is posted below..... but, v quickly, I'm trying
> to get me and my bike to Oban this Saturday... problem: a landslide
> has closed the line between Ardlui and Crianlarich and the alternative
> bus service ScotRail have laid on doesn't accomodate bikes....


Have they said that specifically and beyond negotiation?

Not too long ago Roos and I visited a friend in Arbroath (18 miles,
coincidentally) for dinner and we left... rather late and after at least
one too many glasses of wine, so we thought we'd take the Scotrail train
home. Got to the station to find engineering works meant a bus service,
so we crossed our fingers and asked the bus driver, who had no problem
as long as they went in the cargo space. They did, and we got driven to
Dundee.

GNER have, in the past, put me in a taxi with my bike from Edinburgh to
Dundee when they couldn't honour my ticket.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
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Peter Clinch wrote on 22/12/2006 08:37 +0100:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> The whole messy story is posted below..... but, v quickly, I'm trying
>> to get me and my bike to Oban this Saturday... problem: a landslide
>> has closed the line between Ardlui and Crianlarich and the alternative
>> bus service ScotRail have laid on doesn't accomodate bikes....

>
> Have they said that specifically and beyond negotiation?
>
> Not too long ago Roos and I visited a friend in Arbroath (18 miles,
> coincidentally) for dinner and we left... rather late and after at least
> one too many glasses of wine, so we thought we'd take the Scotrail train
> home. Got to the station to find engineering works meant a bus service,
> so we crossed our fingers and asked the bus driver, who had no problem
> as long as they went in the cargo space. They did, and we got driven to
> Dundee.
>
> GNER have, in the past, put me in a taxi with my bike from Edinburgh to
> Dundee when they couldn't honour my ticket.
>


I don't know about the OP's stations and whether taxis are reasonably
available - I suspect not. My inclination would be to try it - take
some bin bags to cover it up just in case but take the assertive view
that you have a ticket and a reservation. Its not "Engineering Works"
for which they say buses will not carry bikes. It would be a very hard
bus driver that would refuse in those circumstances with a ferry to catch.

Print out and take with you Section H of the Terms of Carriage also
http://www.firstscotrail.trainsfares.co.uk/button_bar_pages/national.asp


--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Tony Raven wrote:

> I don't know about the OP's stations and whether taxis are reasonably
> available - I suspect not.


Taxis are pretty much available anywhere there's a station unless it's
Rannoch, but it was more an illustration of how much TOCs /can/ go out
of their way to help.

> My inclination would be to try it - take
> some bin bags to cover it up just in case but take the assertive view
> that you have a ticket and a reservation.


Yes, I'd do the same. IME of transport operations (at least in
Scotland) most staff on the ground are far more interested in their
headline job of providing transport to the public than being jobsworths.

> Print out and take with you Section H of the Terms of Carriage also
> http://www.firstscotrail.trainsfares.co.uk/button_bar_pages/national.asp


Yes. But I wouldn't start brandishing it until such time as just
carrying on as if there shouldn't be a problem fails to work.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Tony Raven <[email protected]>typed


> I don't know about the OP's stations and whether taxis are reasonably
> available - I suspect not. My inclination would be to try it - take
> some bin bags to cover it up just in case but take the assertive view
> that you have a ticket and a reservation. Its not "Engineering Works"
> for which they say buses will not carry bikes. It would be a very hard
> bus driver that would refuse in those circumstances with a ferry to catch.


> Print out and take with you Section H of the Terms of Carriage also
> http://www.firstscotrail.trainsfares.co.uk/button_bar_pages/national.asp


Suggest Www.traintaxi.co.uk.

You could make phone enquiries today...

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In article <[email protected]>, Tony Raven
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> The whole messy story is posted below..... but, v quickly, I'm
> >> trying to get me and my bike to Oban this Saturday... problem:
> >> a landslide has closed the line between Ardlui and Crianlarich
> >> and the alternative bus service ScotRail have laid on doesn't
> >> accomodate bikes....


Sri for not paying attention.

2 possibilities.

1. Service bus to Oban via Inverary is possible.

2. Phone CalMac and ask if they have any vans going to Oban - they
won't take you but they may take bikes - you are going to one of
their ferries.

hth
 
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote on 22/12/2006 10:39 +0100:
>
> Suggest Www.traintaxi.co.uk.
>
> You could make phone enquiries today...
>


Good site but it confirms my suspiscions:

Arrochar and Tarbet

has neither a taxi rank nor a cab office. Advance booking is essential.
Consider using the following local operator or alternative station:

Home James 01301 702469
Garelochhead

Crianlarich

has neither a taxi rank nor a cab office. Advance booking is essential.
Consider using the following local operator:

Tyndrum 01838 400279


--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
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In article <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello all
>
> The whole messy story is posted below..... but, v quickly, I'm trying
> to get me and my bike to Oban this Saturday... problem: a landslide
> has closed the line between Ardlui and Crianlarich and the alternative
> bus service ScotRail have laid on doesn't accomodate bikes.... (even
> tho I have a passenger ticket and cycle reservation booked weeks ago).
>
> I know CityLink will only take bikes on their buses if (a) there's
> space and (b) if the thing is in a bike bag... Neither is an option for
> me.... Does anyone know of any other private operator - such as the guy
> who conveys bikes from Inverness to Durness/Scrabster ? - who could
> help out here ?
>

What's wrong with this chap?

Crianlarich Taxi Service, licensed six passenger vehicle, luggage
delivery service available for further info contact Ian Armstrong
anytime.
Contact

Mr Ian Armstrong

Dunvegan, Railway Road
Crianlarich
FK20 8QQ
Scotland
Tel: +44 (1838) 300307
E-Mail: [email protected]
 
Rob Morley wrote on 22/12/2006 12:57 +0100:
>
> What's wrong with this chap?
>
> Crianlarich Taxi Service, licensed six passenger vehicle, luggage
> delivery service available for further info contact Ian Armstrong
> anytime.
>


I would guess the approx £18 each way for a journey that has already
been paid for once.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
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In article <[email protected]>
Tony Raven <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rob Morley wrote on 22/12/2006 12:57 +0100:
> >
> > What's wrong with this chap?
> >
> > Crianlarich Taxi Service, licensed six passenger vehicle, luggage
> > delivery service available for further info contact Ian Armstrong
> > anytime.
> >

>
> I would guess the approx £18 each way for a journey that has already
> been paid for once.
>
>

I know it's not an insignificant amount, but if it saves major
hassle/uncertainty the OP might consider it worthwhile.
 
Rob Morley wrote:

> I know it's not an insignificant amount, but if it saves major
> hassle/uncertainty the OP might consider it worthwhile.


And it's something to point out to Scotrail if they throw up their hands
and say it isn't /possible/ to get the bike to where it needs to be.
If, as I suspect will be the case, the staff are doing their best to bet
their passengers and their luggage where they need to get to, it's a
legitimate avenue for them to use.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
Listen, thanks for all the responses / info / suggestions.... I am
about to ponder over them with a refreshment...... Really disappointed
that neither FirstScotRail or Rail Passengers Committee have even
bothered to acknowledge my initial emails. Some service ;(
Hugh www.hughspicer.fsnet.co.uk

Peter Clinch wrote:
> Rob Morley wrote:
>
> > I know it's not an insignificant amount, but if it saves major
> > hassle/uncertainty the OP might consider it worthwhile.

>
> And it's something to point out to Scotrail if they throw up their hands
> and say it isn't /possible/ to get the bike to where it needs to be.
> If, as I suspect will be the case, the staff are doing their best to bet
> their passengers and their luggage where they need to get to, it's a
> legitimate avenue for them to use.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
[email protected] wrote:
> Not in the timescale to ocnnect with the other train at Crianlarich ;-(
>
>
> That bus trip is about 18 miles with a 150m climb over the second half.
>
>> Could you just cycle it?
>>
>> Roos


On my map, it's only 13.5km from Ardlui to Crianlarich. That probably is
doable in 45min, provided you don't lose any time getting moving.
 
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Andrew_S
<[email protected]> gently breathed:
>[email protected] wrote:


>> Not in the timescale to ocnnect with the other train at Crianlarich ;-(
>> That bus trip is about 18 miles with a 150m climb over the second
>>half.


>>> Could you just cycle it?


>On my map, it's only 13.5km from Ardlui to Crianlarich. That probably
>is doable in 45min, provided you don't lose any time getting moving.


One small problem - it's uphill. Scottish uphill. The kind of hill
that has cars dropping a gear to climb it. Rail enthusiasts used to
love that section for the extreme thrash from the locomotives of
northbound trains, even though the railway climbs a lot more gently than
the road does. The line starts to climb at Ardlui itself, but the road
stays flat till the very head of Loch Lomond and only then decides to do
serious amounts of "up". And it climbs higher than the railway does.

Beautiful run though.

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> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Andrew_S
> <[email protected]> gently breathed:
>>[email protected] wrote:

>
>>> Not in the timescale to ocnnect with the other train at Crianlarich ;-(
>>> That bus trip is about 18 miles with a 150m climb over the second
>>> half.

>
>>>> Could you just cycle it?

>
>>On my map, it's only 13.5km from Ardlui to Crianlarich. That probably is
>>doable in 45min, provided you don't lose any time getting moving.

>
> One small problem - it's uphill. Scottish uphill. The kind of hill that
> has cars dropping a gear to climb it. Rail enthusiasts used to love that
> section for the extreme thrash from the locomotives of northbound trains,
> even though the railway climbs a lot more gently than the road does. The
> line starts to climb at Ardlui itself, but the road stays flat till the
> very head of Loch Lomond and only then decides to do serious amounts of
> "up". And it climbs higher than the railway does.


It's not that steep! I've cycled that stretch of road in both directions
and would agree that one would be hard pushed to do the distance in the
allocated time with a comfortable buffer to spare time to deal with a
puncture otr the like. There's some great views of the rail way from the
A82 all the way along through Crianlarich, Tyndrum and Bridge of Orchy.
There's a nice camp site at Tyndrum near the railway station. As a lapsed
gricer I was surprised at how excited I got at seen a couple of freigh
trains dwarfed by the terrain through which they were passing as I pootled
southwards on the A82 last year.

> Beautiful run though.
>

I'd go one further - stunning.

-=V=-