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Getting into framebuilding

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  1. If I wanted to build some interesting bike frames for my own
    entertainment, what would be the easiest way to get into it? The
    cheapest? Welding? What type of welder? Brazing?

    I have some background as a mechanic/engineer, I can solder quite well
    but have never welded, and have only brazed one or two things in a
    plumbing context. I have lots of old bike frames with varying quality
    tubing that I intend to use as sacrificial metal to practice with. I
    have equipment to cut and shape the tubing, and was thinking of renting
    a welder or an oxyacetalene torch for a while to try and get some technique.

    I've read a couple tutorials and FAQs but I'm curious what people who've
    done this think is the best way for a beginner. Thanks,

    Adam

  2. Jacobe Hazzard said:

    If I wanted to build some interesting bike frames for my own
    entertainment, what would be the easiest way to get into it? The
    cheapest? Welding? What type of welder? Brazing?


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    I've read a couple tutorials and FAQs but I'm curious what people


    who've

    Quoted message said:

    done this think is the best way for a beginner. Thanks,

    Adam

    I'm about your level of skill, although I have brazed a couple chunks
    of frame together (including a Colnago lug at a Match seminar a couple
    years back).

    My plan: buy a cheap oxyacetylene rig and then start cooking. Renting
    is ungodly expensive, and practice simply takes time. See if the local
    community college offers weekend seminars- at least talk to the
    instructor.

    A good resource is the Framebuilder's list:
    http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/framebuilders
    Have a look through the archives- your questions have probably been
    answered already.

    Jeff

  3. "Jacobe Hazzard" wrote: If I wanted to build some interesting bike frames
    for my own entertainment, what would be the easiest way to get into it? The
    cheapest? Welding? What type of welder? Brazing? (clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Let's stop thinking about *cheapest.* You are talking about a field which
    requires a lot of skill and knowlege--let's talk about which are the right
    tools, and how to learn. I would begin by buying a small Victor
    oxyacetylene outfit. For welding, brazing or silver soldering, there is not
    a better beginning. Next, I would learn to use the torch on projects other
    than bike frames. Collect some scrap steel, and play with it until you are
    completely comfortable with the processes. Bike frames are require special
    techniques for heat control, since the strength of the tubing adjacent to
    the joints can be reduced by the heat.

    Even if you never reach the point where you have made a good bike frame, you
    will have a delightful new way to spend shop time, to do repairs, and to
    make things. I don't see how anyone can get along without a welding torch.

    Why do I suggest Victor? They are among the very best, and the tips and
    accessories are available everywhere. If you decide to go cheap, you will
    be dealing with regulators that drift, valves that leak or don't open
    smoothly, and lots of little problems that you really don't need while you
    are learning.

    Also, start following sci.engr.joining.welding You can learn a lot from the
    questions and answers that are posted there, and you will have access to
    some very helpful and skillful people.

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    Quoted message said:

    If I wanted to build some interesting bike frames for my own
    entertainment, what would be the easiest way to get into it? The
    cheapest? Welding? What type of welder? Brazing?

    I have some background as a mechanic/engineer, I can solder quite well
    but have never welded, and have only brazed one or two things in a
    plumbing context. I have lots of old bike frames with varying quality
    tubing that I intend to use as sacrificial metal to practice with. I
    have equipment to cut and shape the tubing, and was thinking of renting
    a welder or an oxyacetalene torch for a while to try and get some


    technique.

    Quoted message said:


    I've read a couple tutorials and FAQs but I'm curious what people who've
    done this think is the best way for a beginner. Thanks,

    Adam

    This may interest you.
    http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/Suzy.Jackson/bike_frame.html

  5. Jacobe Hazzard said:

    I've read a couple tutorials and FAQs but I'm curious what people


    who've

    Quoted message said:

    done this think is the best way for a beginner. Thanks,

    My advice is to buy an oxy-acetylene or oxy-LPG brazing setup, buy an
    assortment of good quality files (my faves are an 8" half-round second
    cut and a 10" half-round second cut), hacksaw, something to hold tubes
    with, and some brazing rod or silver solder, and go for it.

    I've done this myself (currently working on my third frame) and wrote a
    bit of a blurb on my experiences with the first one, at
    http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~sjackson/frame.html. It's by no means an
    exhaustive tutorial, but does show how I did it.

    The framebuilders list is also a good resource, as are the catalogues
    available online from Ceeway (www.framebuilding.com), Henry James
    (www.henryjames.com), etc.

    Best of luck. Framebuilding isn't nearly as difficult as you probably
    think it is, and is very rewarding.

    Regards,

    Suzy

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