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  1. What's the deal with frame sizing for mountain bikes? There are bikes with
    horizontal top tubes, and ones with top tubes that slope down towards the
    saddle. If the sizing is based on the length of the tube that the seat post
    goes into, then how is the size of a frame with a sloping top tube
    established, given that the tube of interest is shorter?

    Is it derived from the tube length that would result if the top tube was
    horizontal? IOW, is there a way of comparing the frame size of different
    frame shapes?

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  2. "Wally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Is it derived from the tube length that would result if the top tube was
    horizontal? IOW, is there a way of comparing the frame size of different
    frame shapes?

    Generally yes, size is based on a hypothical conventional horizontal top
    tube.
    A rough guide to size is measure your inside leg from crotch to floor
    (longer than trouser measurement) then deduct 12 inches for bottom bracket
    height and another 3 inches for ballroom. E.g. 33" - 12- 3 = 18".
    This formula will obviously be skewed by suspension, particularly rear, so
    as always the thing to do is at least sit on the bike or better yet ride
    before buying.
    The main things will be nothing dangerous to your bits if you have to put
    your foot down on uneven ground and with the standard stem and saddle mid
    position horizontally you should be comfortable.
    Again obviously, you will then have fore-and-aft adjustment on the saddle
    for fine tuning but assuming the manufacturer has fitted the optimum length
    of stem for the bikes steering geometry you could but wouldn't want to
    change it for a longer or shorter one.
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  3. in message <[email hidden]>, Wally

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    What's the deal with frame sizing for mountain bikes? There are bikes
    with horizontal top tubes, and ones with top tubes that slope down
    towards the saddle. If the sizing is based on the length of the tube
    that the seat post goes into, then how is the size of a frame with a
    sloping top tube established, given that the tube of interest is
    shorter?

    This is precisely why inch sizes are no good as an indication of the
    size of a mountain bike (or, indeed, 'compact road'😉 frame. Different
    manufacturers use different geometries, so there is no useful or
    sensible correlation between seat tube length and the size of the
    frame. There is no alternative to going and sitting on one.

    Quoted message said:

    Is it derived from the tube length that would result if the top tube
    was horizontal? IOW, is there a way of comparing the frame size of
    different frame shapes?

    Not currently, no.

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  4. Peter B said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is it derived from the tube length that would result if the top tube
    was horizontal? IOW, is there a way of comparing the frame size of
    different frame shapes?

    Quoted message said:

    Generally yes, size is based on a hypothical conventional horizontal
    top tube.

    Doesn't seem to apply to Giant - been looking at the frame geometry in
    detail, and the seat tube is 530mm for the 21" frame, which is just about
    21". Extending the seat tube to mimic a horizontal top tube gives something
    closer to 24". The seat tube extends about 2" beyond the rearward end of the
    top tube.

    Quoted message said:

    A rough guide to size is measure your inside leg from crotch to floor
    (longer than trouser measurement) then deduct 12 inches for bottom
    bracket height and another 3 inches for ballroom. E.g. 33" - 12- 3
    = 18".
    This formula will obviously be skewed by suspension, particularly
    rear, so as always the thing to do is at least sit on the bike or
    better yet ride before buying. ...

    I've been thinking again about the 2nd hand Giant I looked at - clearance
    wasn't quite 3", more like 1.5-2" with feet flat on the road. It felt good
    when riding it - the whole fit seemed right, no undue leg stretching when
    the pedals were at the bottom, handlebar height and distance was fine.

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    Wally
    www.artbywally.com
    www.wally.myby.co.uk

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