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Fractured front cog?

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  1. Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little loose
    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog. Some
    photos are here:

    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture? Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    Thanks,
    Jack

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  2. Sorry guys, it looks like my web host has gone offline.

    Here are some photos that work:

    Try these links:

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture1.jpg
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture2.jpg
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture3.jpg

    Thanks!
    Jack

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    Quoted message said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little


    loose

    Quoted message said:

    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the


    right

    Quoted message said:

    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog.


    Some

    Quoted message said:

    photos are here:


    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Quoted message said:


    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture? Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    Thanks,
    Jack

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  3. Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) said:

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little loose
    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog. Some
    photos are here:


    [snipped]

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    Is this a fracture?

    Yes. It looks like you've got a typical non-repairable crank set
    there. The large and small sprockets (also called chainrings) are
    both riveted to the middle-size one, and the middle sprocket has the
    splines broached into the center to mate with the hub. Unfortunately,
    these almost never can be disassembled nondestructively, and no
    replacement parts for the individual pieces are sold in any event.

    Quoted message said:

    If so, how dangerous is it?

    It will continue to wear away at the teeth of the splined stub on the
    crank, and will get wobblier as it does so, eventually failing in a
    rather final manner if your patience isn't tried to the point of
    launching it into the North Sea first due to the chain rubbing and
    such.

    Quoted message said:

    Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture?

    For a while, with increasing inconvenience, probably yes. It is,
    however, very difficult to forecast the rate of deterioration.

    Quoted message said:

    Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    You need what is called a "crank set" by some vendors, a "chain set"
    by others. The terminological uncertainty is vexing. What you will
    buy is two cranks (the arms into which the pedals are screwed), of
    which one will have a set of sprockets on it.

    Count the teeth on the old sprockets and shop for a crank set whose
    tooth count and crank length (probably 170mm, but measure to make
    sure) matches what you have now. Your old one looks like a Sunrace
    Apex set; you won't find the same make and model available as a spare
    in all likelihood, but there are a number of alternate choices
    available.

    Bear in mind that you may need to replace the bottom bracket (this is
    the confusing name used in the industry for the bearing and shaft
    assembly on which the cranks are mounted) if the length of your
    existing shaft is not a close match for the requirements of the
    replacement cranks.

    If there is a shop in your area which acts as a breaking yard for old
    bikes, you might be able to secure a used replacement crank and
    sprockets from them inexpensively. If this is a bike that you rely
    upon for transportation, I would advise buying new.
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  4. Daniel Kelly (AKA Jack) said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little loose
    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog. Some
    photos are here:

    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture? Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    Thanks,
    Jack

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    Jack - your crankset appears to be worn out.
    You need at least a new crankset, but more likely a new drive train...
    chain, crankset (front chainrings & pedal crankarms in your case), rear
    casset. It's a pity, but metal wears down.
    Best, Bernie

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  5. An excellent summary of the problem and solution.

    I might add that frequently the chain stretches over time and begins to chew
    into the side of the chainring teeth. It also chews into the teeth of the
    rear cassette (the cluster of rings on the back wheel). So if you replace
    the chainrings, the old chain may give poor performance - grinding, chain
    suck and such. I found that I had to replace them as a set on my bike.

    Luckily I had a newer cassette to replace my old one on the back wheel.
    Otherwise the new chain probably would have had bad shifting and skipping on
    the rear cassette. Hope this doesn't happen to you, but be aware that if
    the new crankset causes noise in the rear of your drive train, that's likely
    the cause.

    Cheers
    Gary

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    On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:03:27 CST, "Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\)"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    < snip >

    Quoted message said:

    Bear in mind that you may need to replace the bottom bracket (this is
    the confusing name used in the industry for the bearing and shaft
    assembly on which the cranks are mounted) if the length of your
    existing shaft is not a close match for the requirements of the
    replacement cranks.

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