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  1. OK, cycling comrades.

    I'm back from Chicago, and my little brother and I have been
    working on the Follis.

    We finally got the tires and tubes, and got them mounted
    without much drama. Got the chain on it, and Mom was
    reasonably impressed--"looks like a new bike!"

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps
    derailing. There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm
    waiting on that.

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few links
    from the chain and increase tension that way?

    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing
    against the chain, or freewheel, or both. And it seems that
    the freewheel turns with the pedal both forwards *and*
    backwards.

    But my brother likes the bike.

    -Luigi

  2. Luigi de Guzman said:

    OK, cycling comrades.

    I'm back from Chicago, and my little brother and I have
    been working on the Follis.

    We finally got the tires and tubes, and got them mounted
    without much drama. Got the chain on it, and Mom was
    reasonably impressed--"looks like a new bike!"

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps
    derailing. There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm
    waiting on that.

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few
    links from the chain and increase tension that way?

    Is that a new chain? Or did you clean and lube the old one?

    In any case, I think there's something wrong that does not
    involve the absence of a front derailleur. AFAIK, my front
    derailleur does nothing much to keep the chain on a front
    sprocket. It doesn't, for example, rub against the chain
    unless it's literally derailing it. And five speed bikes,
    when they were common (early '70s) had no front derailleur,
    yet did not drop their chains.

    You might check how often, and under what conditions, it
    drops. It could be a bent chainring tooth, or perhaps the
    entire chainring is bent. (Be sure they're running straight
    and true.) It could be a stiff link in the chain. (When you
    install a chain, you must loosen up the link you fastened
    with the chain tool.) It could, I suppose, be derailleur
    pivots in need of lube and/or cleaning. (Mostly, I'm
    thinking of the pivot for the jockey pulley cage.)

    Chain length should be enough to handle the "big-big"
    sprocket combination, with not much excess.

    Quoted message said:


    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing
    against the chain, or freewheel, or both.

    Hmmm. You need to look more closely at that to see exactly
    what's happening. You may need to remove it. If the
    derailleur is adjusted absolutely correctly, it serves no
    purpose. But if you're not confident about the derailleur,
    you may need to replace that protector. Unfortunately,
    replacing it requires removing the freewheel...

    Quoted message said:

    And it seems that the freewheel turns with the pedal
    both forwards *and* backwards.

    ... which may mean you've got to remove the freewheel
    anyway! If your freewheel isn't freewheeling, that's _got_
    to be fixed. (And perhaps that's connected with throwing
    the chain?)

    First thing to try is this: Take out the rear wheel. Clean
    all the grunge off the outside of the freewheel, especially
    the right side of
    it. Lay the wheen down on lots of newspaper, freewheel side
    up. Look for the tiny space between the freewheel's
    stationary part and its rotating part. Spray WD-40 into
    that crack, then spin the freewheel backwards. Repeat
    many times.

    You're trying to flush a few decades of dried crud out of
    the freewheel. Once the WD-40 runs clean, you've probably
    done that. You should feel the freewheel spin nice and
    smooth, not gritty.

    Let it drip dry, then run just a little motor oil in there.
    Wipe off excess liquid (keeping it well off the braking
    surfaces) and reinstall the wheel.

    If the freewheel doesn't free up, it needs replaced. Visit
    your bike shop with the wheel. They should have the rather
    uncommon tool used to remove the old freewheel.

    Quoted message said:

    But my brother likes the bike.

    Well, he should! It sounds like a cool bike!

    --
    --------------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove
    rodent and vegetable dot com, replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  3. Luigi de Guzman said:

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps
    derailing. There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm
    waiting on that.

    Quoted message said:

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few
    links from the chain and increase tension that way?

    Quoted message said:

    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing
    against the chain, or freewheel, or both. And it seems
    that the freewheel turns with the pedal both forwards
    *and* backwards.

    Not sure what you mean on the last point. If you lift the
    rear wheel and rotate the cranks forward or back, the
    freewheel should rotate the same way - it's just that back
    doesn't make the wheel spin. However, if the freewheel is
    sticky, it can rotate forward when you're coasting. This
    will make the upper chain run slack and throw the chain.

    If the freewheel itself is sticking, dribble oil between the
    fixed and rotating parts of the freewheel and rotate by hand
    to distribute it and free up the freewheel. If it's binding
    on the spoke protector, remove the freewheel to adjust or
    remove the spoke protector.

    I might be able to dig up an FD that fits. Is this the type
    that uses a short piece of cable housing from the downtube
    to the FD? It looked like that from teh picture.

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    Quoted message said:

    OK, cycling comrades.

    I'm back from Chicago, and my little brother and I have
    been working on the Follis.

    We finally got the tires and tubes, and got them mounted
    without much drama. Got the chain on it, and Mom was
    reasonably impressed--"looks like a new bike!"

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps
    derailing. There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm
    waiting on that.

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few
    links from the chain and increase tension that way?

    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing
    against the chain, or freewheel, or both. And it seems
    that the freewheel turns with the pedal both forwards
    *and* backwards.

    A rubbing spoke protector will cause the freewheel to hang
    and drive the chain when coasting, which will slack the
    chain and cause derailing.

    Plastic spoke protectors can often be removed w/o removing
    the freewheel if the plastic is brittle by snapping them to
    pieces with long nose pliers.

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