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Follis Update

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  1. OK, cycling comrades.

    I'm back from Chicago, and my little brother and I have been working
    on the Follis.

    We finally got the tires and tubes, and got them mounted without much
    drama. Got the chain on it, and Mom was reasonably impressed--"looks
    like a new bike!"

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps derailing.
    There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm waiting on that.

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few links from the
    chain and increase tension that way?

    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing against the
    chain, or freewheel, or both. And it seems that the freewheel turns
    with the pedal both forwards *and* backwards.

    But my brother likes the bike.

    -Luigi

  2. Luigi de Guzman said:

    OK, cycling comrades.

    I'm back from Chicago, and my little brother and I have been working
    on the Follis.

    We finally got the tires and tubes, and got them mounted without much
    drama. Got the chain on it, and Mom was reasonably impressed--"looks
    like a new bike!"

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps derailing.
    There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm waiting on that.

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few links from the
    chain and increase tension that way?

    Is that a new chain? Or did you clean and lube the old one?

    In any case, I think there's something wrong that does not involve the
    absence of a front derailleur. AFAIK, my front derailleur does nothing
    much to keep the chain on a front sprocket. It doesn't, for example,
    rub against the chain unless it's literally derailing it. And five
    speed bikes, when they were common (early '70s) had no front derailleur,
    yet did not drop their chains.

    You might check how often, and under what conditions, it drops. It
    could be a bent chainring tooth, or perhaps the entire chainring is
    bent. (Be sure they're running straight and true.) It could be a stiff
    link in the chain. (When you install a chain, you must loosen up the
    link you fastened with the chain tool.) It could, I suppose, be
    derailleur pivots in need of lube and/or cleaning. (Mostly, I'm
    thinking of the pivot for the jockey pulley cage.)

    Chain length should be enough to handle the "big-big" sprocket
    combination, with not much excess.

    Quoted message said:


    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing against the
    chain, or freewheel, or both.

    Hmmm. You need to look more closely at that to see exactly what's
    happening. You may need to remove it. If the derailleur is adjusted
    absolutely correctly, it serves no purpose. But if you're not confident
    about the derailleur, you may need to replace that protector.
    Unfortunately, replacing it requires removing the freewheel...

    Quoted message said:

    And it seems that the freewheel turns
    with the pedal both forwards *and* backwards.

    .... which may mean you've got to remove the freewheel anyway! If your
    freewheel isn't freewheeling, that's _got_ to be fixed. (And perhaps
    that's connected with throwing the chain?)

    First thing to try is this: Take out the rear wheel. Clean all the
    grunge off the outside of the freewheel, especially the right side of
    it. Lay the wheen down on lots of newspaper, freewheel side up. Look
    for the tiny space between the freewheel's stationary part and its
    rotating part. Spray WD-40 into that crack, then spin the freewheel
    backwards. Repeat many times.

    You're trying to flush a few decades of dried crud out of the freewheel.
    Once the WD-40 runs clean, you've probably done that. You should feel
    the freewheel spin nice and smooth, not gritty.

    Let it drip dry, then run just a little motor oil in there. Wipe off
    excess liquid (keeping it well off the braking surfaces) and reinstall
    the wheel.

    If the freewheel doesn't free up, it needs replaced. Visit your bike
    shop with the wheel. They should have the rather uncommon tool used to
    remove the old freewheel.

    Quoted message said:

    But my brother likes the bike.

    Well, he should! It sounds like a cool bike!

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  3. Luigi de Guzman said:

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps derailing.
    There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm waiting on that.

    Quoted message said:

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few links from the
    chain and increase tension that way?

    Quoted message said:

    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing against the
    chain, or freewheel, or both. And it seems that the freewheel turns
    with the pedal both forwards *and* backwards.

    Not sure what you mean on the last point. If you lift
    the rear wheel and rotate the cranks forward or back, the
    freewheel should rotate the same way - it's just that
    back doesn't make the wheel spin. However, if the freewheel
    is sticky, it can rotate forward when you're coasting.
    This will make the upper chain run slack and throw the chain.

    If the freewheel itself is sticking, dribble oil between the
    fixed and rotating parts of the freewheel and rotate by hand
    to distribute it and free up the freewheel. If it's binding
    on the spoke protector, remove the freewheel to adjust or
    remove the spoke protector.

    I might be able to dig up an FD that fits. Is this the type
    that uses a short piece of cable housing from the downtube to the
    FD? It looked like that from teh picture.

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    Quoted message said:

    OK, cycling comrades.

    I'm back from Chicago, and my little brother and I have been working
    on the Follis.

    We finally got the tires and tubes, and got them mounted without much
    drama. Got the chain on it, and Mom was reasonably impressed--"looks
    like a new bike!"

    Rode it around the block a few times; the chain keeps derailing.
    There is no front derailleur, remember--I'm waiting on that.

    if the chain keeps derailing, should I eliminate a few links from the
    chain and increase tension that way?

    Also, the plastic spoke protector seems to be rubbing against the
    chain, or freewheel, or both. And it seems that the freewheel turns
    with the pedal both forwards *and* backwards.

    A rubbing spoke protector will cause the freewheel to hang and drive the chain
    when coasting, which will slack the chain and cause derailing.

    Plastic spoke protectors can often be removed w/o removing the freewheel if
    the plastic is brittle by snapping them to pieces with long nose pliers.

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