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  1. Quoted post said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-CYC-Landis-Hearing.html

    includes testosterone instructions

    The NYT pulled the story as I set it in subbing another piece

    Forbes NY had it:

    A midlevel pro cyclist testified he was a drug cheat at the Floyd
    Landis arbitration hearing Friday, describing in detail how synthetic
    testosterone helped him recover in multi-day stage races like the Tour
    de France.
    Joe Papp, who received a two-year doping suspension that hadn't been
    made public until this testimony, was brought to the witness stand by
    the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.
    USADA used his testimony to refute earlier claims made by Landis'
    attorneys that testosterone couldn't help Landis win the 2006 Tour and
    that he'd be crazy to use it if he knew he might be tested.
    "It's such a false statement that it makes me angry," Papp said. "Why
    am I here? I'm not getting anything out of being here. I have
    everything to lose from being here."
    Reaching into his jacket pocket to show a packet of the testosterone
    gel he used, Papp refuted both Landis theories - saying it was easy to
    stay below the threshold of a positive test with the gel and claiming
    the gel helped him greatly in recovering between stages.
    "You can compete in UCI-sanctioned stage races like a 2,000-kilometer-
    long race with drug testing every day, and you can race and win and be
    on drugs and not test positive," Papp said in interviews after his
    testimony.
    He said it was easy to get away with having allowed amounts of
    testosterone in his system if he timed it right. After leaving doping
    control, he could simply go to a private place and discreetly rub the
    gel into his chest.
    Landis sat at the defense table, pretty much expressionless as he
    watched Papp testify.
    The testimony came a day after three-time Tour de France winner Greg
    LeMond shook up the hearing, revealing he'd told Landis he was
    sexually abused as a child and that Landis' manager, Will Geoghegan,
    used that secret to try to intimidate LeMond and keep him from
    testifying.
    Though the latest witness was nowhere near as explosive as LeMond, it
    was still good stuff that surely wasn't designed to show Landis in a
    good light.
    "I don't know Mr. Landis. I don't have any ill will toward him," Papp
    testified. "I don't have any opinion on any of this, other than to
    share my experience that the testosterone can improve your recovery."
    Papp said he tested positive for metabolized testosterone last May at
    a race in Turkey. After planning to fight the allegations "because
    it's the expected thing to do," he instead accepted a provisional
    suspension a few months ago. His two-year ban became official
    Thursday.
    Landis is accused of using banned synthetic testosterone during his
    Tour victory last year. A three-man arbitration panel is listening to
    nine days of testimony and will decide whether to uphold the positive
    test.
    After Papp's testimony, Landis brought his first witness, Bruce
    Goldberger, a University of Florida professor with expertise on the
    kind of testing that resulted in Landis' positive urine tests.
    He described himself as initially reluctant to get involved in the
    case.
    "But I saw some glaring issues with the way the chemistry was
    performed in the laboratory," Goldberger said of the French lab where
    the tests were done.
    He derided crossed-out and whited-out numbers on forms that documented
    Landis' positive test, all of which he said spoke to doubts about the
    chain of custody of the samples - who controlled them and what they
    did with them at specific times.
    Earlier in the week, the Landis attorneys had used cross-examination
    of USADA witnesses to set up these arguments. But Goldberger was the
    first witness to connect the dots of the argument.
    "It's the pattern that concerns me," he said. "I can't trust it. I
    think it's unreliable."
    As for gaps in the chain of custody, Goldberger said: "Terrible.
    Omissions in the chain of custody should demonstrate lack of
    attention."
    Before Papp's testimony, the Landis attorneys cross-examined
    Christiane Ayotte, director of the World Anti-Doping Agency-accredited
    lab in Montreal, also in an attempt to portray troubles at the French
    lab.
    The Landis team asked Ayotte about data from graphs that showed
    results from the testosterone-epitestosterone ratio tests that are
    used as screening tests in doping cases. Landis' "A" sample, taken
    after Stage 17, showed an 11:1 ratio, when a ratio of 4:1 can be
    considered a positive test.
    Ayotte conceded the peaks in the graphs didn't show the good
    "separation" the lawyers contend is needed in these graphs.
    "But anyone can see the peak is nine times higher than the epi" peak,
    Ayotte said. "It's more than 9-to-1."
    She said she came to that conclusion by eyeballing the graph.
    "Is eyeballing it acceptable?" attorney Howard Jacobs asked.
    "No," Ayotte replied.
    It was one of the few concessions the Landis team got from the lab
    director.
    After lunch, Papp became the headliner. The 31-year-old said he tried
    to race clean for years but got caught up in what he called a culture
    of racing that dictates cyclists must dope to be competitive.
    He said he wavered on taking the stand until 10 minutes before he was
    called. In the end, he testified for the same reasons LeMond had the
    previous day - to try to clean up cycling.
    "Greg LeMond has more courage than anyone I know," Papp said. "When I
    started in cycling, I looked up to him as an athlete. Now, I look up
    to him as a person."

  2. People do the darndest things: Come with me, we're on a trip to the
    slammer.
    Like hire lawyers for several zillion dinero then recklessly decide to
    ignore the legal process to do their own thing: call Lemond to tell
    him to stick it in his blip for trying to destroy Lloyd's shot at the
    TdF.
    Why did Lloyd do this? Sheeet, why did Lemond do this? Maybe caws the
    TdF organizers told him to do IT, go to Lloyd, share Lemond's
    heartbreaking wanton childhood sexual experiences that led him to be a
    millionaire industrialist, Le espoir LeMond's sobbing would coax Lloyd
    to "unburden" Lloyd's guilt over his drug crazed bicycling in a good
    natured bonding experience between famous American bike racers.
    Yaaaahhaaaa! Good times rrr here. Con the stupid German American with
    our sophisticate champion.

    Whew: Wait while I open a window.
    Ahhhhhhh wine country!

    Back to the chase (whooops sorry)
    Where's the lawyer? I give up, you tell me. Grope A has public
    sympathy, Group B has some but less public sympathy but has Grope A on
    the legal ropes for the sloppy lab work that cawsed the TdF organizers
    to tell Lemond to go screw with Lloyd in the first place.
    Lemond is about to testify, polishing his rep and his bank account
    playing uh statesman (W.Fr$ca) telling everyone how he went to Lloyd
    to ask Lloyd to come clean for God and country and holy cow bicycle
    racing and the only drug free American champion bicycle racing
    industrialist with an image to polish.
    Telling us that Lloyd then broke down sobbing after hearing Lemond's
    tails of pubescent orgasm, threw himself on the ground, to confess
    mixing testosterone with his bourbon.

    More air.

    Now whose gonna believe that? The Judges? Jimmy Carter? How 'bout
    cross examination Lemond? Is Lloyd on speaking terms with his lawyers?
    No plan ahead conference? Incroyable!! Sackre blue!!
    Group B is consistent. Grope A is sloppy but lisse.
    I hear Joe Papp gets in the next Pee Wee movie riding the Lisse
    Lemond.

  3. People do the darndest things: Come with me, we're on a trip to the
    slammer.
    Like hire lawyers for several zillion dinero then recklessly decide to
    ignore the legal process to do their own thing: call Lemond to tell
    him to stick it in his blip for trying to destroy Lloyd's shot at the
    TdF.
    Why did Lloyd do this? Sheeet, why did Lemond do this? Maybe caws the
    TdF organizers told him to do IT, go to Lloyd, share Lemond's
    heartbreaking wanton childhood sexual experiences that led him to be a
    millionaire industrialist, in the espoir LeMond's sobbing would coax
    Lloyd to "unburden" Lloyd's guilt over his drug crazed bicycling in a
    good natured bonding experience between famous American bike racers.
    Yaaaahhaaaa! Good times rrr here. Con the stupid German American with
    our sophisticate champion.
    Whew: Wait while I open a window.
    Ahhhhhhh wine country!
    Back to the chase (whooops sorry)
    Where's the lawyer? I give up, you tell me. Grope A has public
    sympathy, Group B has some but less public sympathy but has Grope A on
    the legal ropes for the sloppy lab work that cawsed the TdF organizers
    to tell Lemond to go screw with Lloyd in the first place.
    Lemond is about to testify, polishing his rep and his bank account
    playing uh statesman (Fr$ca) telling everyone how he went to Lloyd to
    ask Lloyd to come clean for God and country and holy cow bicycle
    racing and the only drug free American champion bicycle racing
    industrialist with an image to polish.
    Telling us that Lloyd then broke down sobbing after hearing Lemond's
    tails of pubescent orgasm, threw himself on the ground, to confess
    mixing testosterone with his bourbon.
    More air.
    Now whose gonna believe that? The Judges? Jimmy Carter? How 'bout
    cross examination Lemond? Is Lloyd on speaking terms with his lawyers?
    No plan ahead conference? Incroyable!! Sackre blue!!
    Group B is consistent. Grope A is sloppy but lisse.
    I hear Joe Papp gets in the next Pee Wee movie riding the Lisse
    Lemond.

  4. Wait!!!
    The hearing's still photography quality is beyond category. Digital
    imagery has spread the ability to take excellent photographs into
    disciplines like psychology, criminal pathology, you name it -
    particle physics, baseball wherein the expert in those fields then
    photographs from his experience not just the experience of focal
    length and exposure, which is profound and fascinating but not toally
    communicative.
    The stills are available on the internet, not TV, maybe tomorrow.
    The problem I'm experiencing in Google's denial of access maybe a
    pause for my post's appearance before a Google hearing.
    Why is this? Is Floyd Cam offensive? Is there trouble in River or
    Studio City?

  5. the old pipe's XT rear hub was vandalized today! need a new one.
    the LeMond camp claims justice!

  6. late breaking news! cycle drugs traced to>

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Berlin_Wall_victims_monument.jpg/800px-Berlin_Wall_victims_monument.jpg
    http://www.coldwar.org/pictures/photos/hugh7.jpg
    http://www2.dsu.nodak.edu/users/dmeier/Holocaust/Hitler99.jpg
    http://www.emersonkent.com/images/otto_von_bismarck.jpg
    http://www.anthroposophie.net/steiner/Lebensgang/bilder/Friedrich_Nietzsche.jpg

  7. Quoted post said:

    late breaking news! cycle drugs traced to>

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Berlin_Wall_...http://www.coldwar.org/pictures/photos/hugh7.jpghttp://www2.dsu.nodak.edu/users/dmeier/Holocaust/Hitler99.jpghttp://www.emersonkent.com/images/otto_von_bismarck.jpghttp://www.anthroposophie.net/steiner/Lebensgang/bilder/Friedrich_Nie...

    austria! east berlin! and now......................

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/sports/othersports/31cycling.html

  8. HEAR'S THE RUNDOWN FROM COMMIE PINKOS AT HEBEVILLE:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/playmagazine/0603play-main.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

  9. Avagadro IV said:

    HEAR'S THE RUNDOWN FROM COMMIE PINKOS AT HEBEVILLE:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/playmagazine/0603play-main.h...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panache

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/second+wind

  10. PRE RACE BS
    LLYOD SPEAKS!

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-CYC-Landis-Rides-Again.html

  11. datakoll said:

    PRE RACE BS

    http://news.yahoo.com/comics/tankmcnamara;_ylt=AloOh59Q8JhFn7XU8uoJNUXvcLQF

    hyperglycemia?

    next: family circle?

  12. next is Yahoo sports>>>>>

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sc

  13. datakoll said:

    next is Yahoo sports>>>>>

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sc

    SUICIDE!! june 8>>

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/08/sports/othersports/08cycling.html

  14. asthma!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/sports/othersports/15landis.html?ref=sports

  15. datakoll said:

    asthma!

    AUDIO!

    http://rodale.typepad.com/bi_audio_blog/2007/06/an_interview_wi.html?cm_mmc=Bicycling%20NL-_-2007_06_19-_-blog-_-floyd%20interview

  16. datakoll said:
    datakoll said:

    asthma!

    AUDIO!

    http://rodale.typepad.com/bi_audio_blog/2007/06/an_interview_wi.html?...

    THE SCOOP!

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-CYC-UCI-Doping.html

    THE PUERTO GANG LIVES?
    but what about basso and ulrich?
    incroyable!
    and not give the race to team kazak?
    after the KGB set the spanish drug ring?
    it's a terrific idea! leaving the choice to the athletes involved.
    oustanding.
    responsible athletes for a responsible sport.
    incroyable! brilliant...


  17. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    asthma!

    Quoted message said:

    AUDIO!

    Quoted message said:

    http://rodale.typepad.com/bi_audio_blog/2007/06/an_interview_wi.html?...

    THE SCOOP!

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-CYC-UCI-Doping.html

    THE PUERTO GANG LIVES?
    but what about basso and ulrich?
    incroyable!
    and not give the race to team kazak?
    after the KGB set the spanish drug ring?
    it's a terrific idea! leaving the choice to the athletes involved.
    oustanding.
    responsible athletes for a responsible sport

    ECCLEATSEASSTEAS!!

    Quoted message said:

    incroyable! brilliant...

    organizers from government, demand citizens pay taxes, erect crucifix!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/20/sports/othersports/20cycling.html?ref=othersports

    passez les barres de falaise

  18. right! here's what yawl been waitin' to read: people are strange,
    especially people we don't like, people we don't want to win, people
    who aren't like us, people who aren't gonna give us....

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt=Ah9PgIKDJUytjV2wQoqgxIN.grcF?slug=ap-uci-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns

  19. datakoll said:

    right! here's what yawl been waitin' to read: people are strange,
    especially people we don't like, people we don't want to win, people
    who aren't like us, people who aren't gonna give us....

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt=Ah9PgIKDJUytjV2wQoqgxIN.grcF?slu...

    could be worse,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/world/middleeast/24iran.html?ref=world

  20. good news!!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/22/sports/othersports/22tv.html?ref=othersports

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