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  1. Hi folks, I'm an Innovative Product Design student in Dundee
    Scotland and my last brief was to design a short range
    communication device that works over 20m. The user group i
    have chosen is cyclists and now that the project is a few
    weeks in i would really appreciate some feedback and
    constructive criticism on my idea. The idea is that when off-
    roading in groups and especially at night it is difficult to
    determine where the bulk of the group is going to go. Also
    when just joining a group it is daunting to shout for
    everyone to stop when a puncture or similar problem occurs.
    Originally i aimed this to only used be accomplished
    cyclists but further feedback has changed this and i now
    think it would be especially good for children groups or
    family cycling holidays. My proposed solution is a
    lightweight, handlebar mounted display that uses digital
    compass technology to detect where the group "leader" is
    going and shows this on a LED pointer display. A visual
    alarm is also included so that a rider in trouble can
    quickly alert everyone in the group when a problem occurs. I
    am also thinking of including a lesser alarm that notifies
    the riders behind of obstacles such as fallen trees or
    hairpin bends but i am wary of how much the device will
    weigh. Some feedback on this idea would be really useful.
    Thanks in advance

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    Edward Lewis

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    Hi folks, I'm an Innovative Product Design student in
    Dundee Scotland and my last brief was to design a short
    range communication device that works over 20m. The user
    group i have chosen is cyclists and now that the project
    is a few weeks in i would really appreciate some feedback
    and constructive criticism on my idea. The idea is that
    when off-roading in groups and especially at night it is
    difficult to determine where the bulk of the group is
    going to go.

    Route planning can be a non-trivial problem. The usual
    solution is for bicyclists to repeatedly ride a limited
    number of routes, so they learn to follow those routes. New
    riders who are unfamiliar with a route can follow a rider
    who is familiar, and keep that rider in sight.

    Quoted message said:

    Also when just joining a group it is daunting to shout
    for everyone to stop when a puncture or similar
    problem occurs.

    Very loud whistles are already on the market. They are
    light, cheap, reliable, easy to operate, and can signal a
    fairly long way in an emergency. Longer than shouting.

    One drawback of a whistle is that the sender and recipient
    would need to know Morse code or some other coding scheme to
    send much information with a whistle. But generally one
    blows the whistle to draw attention, and then people can see
    if one has stopped and so on.

    Quoted message said:

    Originally i aimed this to only used be accomplished
    cyclists but further feedback has changed this and i now
    think it would be especially good for children groups or
    family cycling holidays.

    Perhaps. If a group is not large, it's easy for two riders
    to manage the group by using the leader/sweeper method. The
    leader rides at the front to show the way. Members of the
    group follow the leader. The sweeper rides at the back and
    stops to wait for any group member who falls behind.

    With this method, the leader only has to keep track of the
    sweeper, for example by checking in his mirror to visually
    confirm the sweeper is still in position, and slowing or
    stopping the group as necessary to allow the sweeper (and
    any stragglers) to rejoin.

    Essentially the leader uses the sweeper's position to adjust
    the group speed from the front. This allows the leader to
    modulate the group speed to that of the slowest rider. Or,
    if the slowest rider is willing to drop from the group and
    ride alone, he tells the sweeper, who signals the leader to
    maintain the present speed simply by remaining in position
    at the back of the group.

    Quoted message said:

    My proposed solution is a lightweight, handlebar mounted
    display that uses digital compass technology to detect
    where the group "leader" is going and shows this on a LED
    pointer display.

    It might be more useful for the leader to know where the
    sweeper is. On a road course this is usually easy if the
    sweeper is visible occasionally when the road bends. (The
    leader cannot see through following riders when the group
    is riding in a straight line, but when the road bends the
    appropriate way---to the left in the United States, where
    we ride on the right and mount our mirrors on our left---
    the back of the group becomes visible. If the sweeper is
    wearing distinctively bright clothing the leader easily
    recognizes him.)

    On a rough off-road course it's questionable whether a
    bicyclist bouncing down the trail would be able to see any
    sort of bike-mounted graphical display. Especially at night.
    It might be necessary to wait until technology is available
    to embed a usable heads-up-display into contact lenses. For
    hands-free operation the system would need a robust speech
    interface or perhaps a direct neural interface. Check back
    in the year 2030, perhaps.

    For a large group of riders to avoid getting separated on an
    off-road course at night, they would all have to be familiar
    with the course, or enough of them would have to be familiar
    to enable the other riders to follow them.

    Quoted message said:

    A visual alarm is also included so that a rider in trouble
    can quickly alert everyone in the group when a problem
    occurs. I am also thinking of including a lesser alarm
    that notifies the riders behind of obstacles such as
    fallen trees or hairpin bends but i am wary of how much
    the device will weigh.

    There are already headset radios on the market allowing two
    people to send any message they can express in words.

    The type of guidance system you have in mind would be
    difficult to make self-contained on just the bikes, using
    current technology which is unable to supply much
    intelligence. Riders don't have a lot of intelligence to
    spare because they must focus on the demanding task of
    riding down trails without crashing into trees and boulders.

    You could do a lot better by adding some human intelligence
    in the form of a dispatcher sitting in a mission control
    center. Put a GPS receiver/transponder on every bike, so the
    dispatcher could track the locations of all bikes in real
    time. The dispatcher could also receive and log reports of
    trail conditions as you mentioned above, and notify
    following riders through their headset radios as they
    approach obstacles.

    Obviously this arrangement would be some ridiculous overkill
    for a typical recreational ride. However, police and
    military organizations use similar methods to coordinate
    their field operations. Having the dispatcher adds a lot,
    because the dispatcher is free to allocate his/her full
    attention to keeping track of the condition of the team and
    its environment.

    At some point in the future, tiny portable computers may get
    smart enough to provide intelligence rivaling what today
    requires a human dispatcher in a control center. Then it may
    be possible to have a practical, portable system that can
    monitor what everybody in a far-flung group is doing and
    offer intelligent advice to riders who are straying off the
    course or who may be speeding toward dangerous unseen
    obstacles.

    Essentially you would need a computer smart enough to ride a
    bike itself and understand the implications of route
    conditions and the group dynamics.

    Quoted message said:

    Some feedback on this idea would be really useful. Thanks
    in advance

    A possibly more useful device would be a way to get complete
    weather information along with local storm prediction and
    warning when the bicyclist's scheduled path is likely to
    intersect with a storm path. If the device could suggest
    alternate routings around storms that could be useful. Where
    I live (southwestern Ohio in the United States), every
    summer we have numerous pop-up thunderstorms. Real-time
    weather radar maps are available on the Web but as soon as I
    get on my bike I'm limited to what I can see by looking at
    the sky, and by two or three hours into a ride the weather
    can be very different. Often my view of the sky is obscured
    by trees and hills, and even under the best conditions I
    have trouble judging the size of an approaching storm and
    seeing it soon enough to change my route to dodge it.

    A PDA with Web access and GPS could allow for some
    interesting integration of routing and weather information.

    You might look into the routing problem. Most off-the-shelf
    route planning tools are not optimal for bicyclists, who
    tend to choose different routes than automobile drivers.
    Since bicyclists tend to ride particular routes repeatedly,
    the first thing to include is a completely simple way to
    generate route plans just by riding the routes. (This is
    possible already with some GPS receivers.) It would also be
    nice to have a completely simple method to automatically
    integrate actual route information from many riders in one
    central location. That way, over time, you could build up a
    database of bicycle-appropriate routes with enough coverage
    to be useful to a large percentage of future customers.

    -- Daniel Mocsny

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