Family off road biking



Me, wife + 3 kids (aged 9, 7, 4) want to enjoy some days out cycling
off-road (nothing too strenuous).

Has anyone any ideas on...

1) where can we find details of sensible off-road rides in and around
Oxfordshire?
2) what kind of trailer/tag-along/seat is good for a 4 year old?


My biggest concern is that i may not be able to face loading 4 bikes +
tag-along on and off the car. It may all be too much trouble loading
them onto a roof rack or bike rack. What's the simplest, low-effort
way to transport bikes for family days out like this?

Thanks
G
 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Me, wife + 3 kids (aged 9, 7, 4) want to enjoy some days out cycling
> off-road (nothing too strenuous).
>
> Has anyone any ideas on...
>
> 1) where can we find details of sensible off-road rides in and around
> Oxfordshire?


Does Oxfordshire Council not feature such things on its website?

> 2) what kind of trailer/tag-along/seat is good for a 4 year old?


We have a Trail-gator for our almost four year old daughter. It's fine
on the road but I wouldn't want to try it on anything too bumpy for fear
of my daughter letting go at the wrong moment.

Cheers,
Luke


--
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Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush
 
[email protected] wrote on 09/04/2007 17:30 +0100:
> Me, wife + 3 kids (aged 9, 7, 4) want to enjoy some days out cycling
> off-road (nothing too strenuous).
>
> Has anyone any ideas on...
>
> 1) where can we find details of sensible off-road rides in and around
> Oxfordshire?
> 2) what kind of trailer/tag-along/seat is good for a 4 year old?
>
>
> My biggest concern is that i may not be able to face loading 4 bikes +
> tag-along on and off the car. It may all be too much trouble loading
> them onto a roof rack or bike rack. What's the simplest, low-effort
> way to transport bikes for family days out like this?
>
> Thanks
> G
>


Try the Philips Cycle Tours "Around Oxford" book which has 20 on and off
road routes local to you. Available from bookshops or Amazon.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yr54rk. There is also a Sustrans route that
runs through Oxford and gives some routes away from the roads in Oxford
too, although you might find Sustrans route design unfriendly to trailer
bikes.
http://www.sustrans.org.uk/webfiles/leaflets/Hanson Way.pdf

For carrying on the car get either a tow hitch mounted rack capable of
taking four bikes properly or put two on the roof and two on a rack.
But you can't avoid some effort and time with that many bikes. An easy
but expensive option is to get a Pendle bike trailer. You can leave the
bikes on it when not using them and just hitch it up and go.
http://www.pendle-bike.co.uk/nulldet.asp?Rack=6 Bike Trailer


You could also always look at taking the train to places.

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell
 
[email protected] wrote:
> Has anyone any ideas on...
> 1) where can we find details of sensible off-road rides in and around
> Oxfordshire?


Try Sustrans:
<http://www.sustrans.org.uk/>
and Waterscape:
<http://www.waterscape.com/cycling/>

> 2) what kind of trailer/tag-along/seat is good for a 4 year old?


For a child as old as 4 I'd suggest either a trailerbike or some way to
tow the child's own bike.

A rack-mounted trailerbike is generally more stable than a seatpost
mounted one. That means either the Burley Piccolo or the Islabikes.
I'd recommend the Islabikes for 3 reasons:
1) It's British made.
2) It's a lot cheaper than the Burley.
3) My wife and daughter use one, so we know it works well.

£200 new:
<http://www.islabikes.co.uk/bike_pages/trailerbike.html>

or you can try to find one second-hand. I bought ours from a uric
regular who advertised it here. The best places to look, though, are
eBay and the CTC classified forum:
<http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=6acfb444dc20d4d8b7d258a157acba72>

Bear in mind that you will need to use an Islabikes rack, which may mean
removing your rear rack if your bike already has one.

An alternative is a way of towing the child's own bike, like the
Trailgator mentioned by Luke. The child's bike always seems to tilt
alarmingly to one side when I see these, though. I'm not encouraged by
the things I've read about their stability and their ability to teach a
child to balance.

When my son moves up to the trailerbike, I intend to get a FollowMe for
my daughter:
<http://www.followme-tandem.com/english/>

If you search for the recent thread headed "FollowMe" you'll find a
useful mini-review posted by Rob Abram. It should be a lot more stable
than a Trailgator.

> My biggest concern is that i may not be able to face loading 4 bikes +
> tag-along on and off the car. It may all be too much trouble loading
> them onto a roof rack or bike rack. What's the simplest, low-effort
> way to transport bikes for family days out like this?


Well, we tend to ride them :p

If we're driving somewhere with the bikes (i.e. we're going on holiday
and want to have the bikes with us) then my bike and the wife's bike
will go on the roof. I'm very satisfied with my roof carriers, which
are an older equivalent to the Thule FreeRide 530:
<http://www.thule.com/Thule/ProductPage____33550.aspx>

The trailer (not previously mentioned) hangs on a boot-mounted bike
carrier that my dad bought from Halfords years ago for transporting my
bike to and from university. I haven't yet transported the trailerbike
by car (except for when I bought it, when the car contained no children
and I was able to fit it in the back), but I think it should go on the
rear carrier quite happily.

Towball-mounted carriers are supposed to be good, but I've never tried
one so I won't write any more about them.

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2
 
[email protected] writes:

> Me, wife + 3 kids (aged 9, 7, 4) want to enjoy some days out cycling
> off-road (nothing too strenuous).
>
> Has anyone any ideas on...
>
> 1) where can we find details of sensible off-road rides in and around
> Oxfordshire?


OS maps + google earth.


> 2) what kind of trailer/tag-along/seat is good for a 4 year old?
>


Cross bar seat is the best for off-road riding IMO. Not one of the
ones that have some kind of back rest thing - just a simple seat that
bolts onto the cross bar, and some footrests that bolt onto the
downtube. Extra handle bar grips near the middle of the handlebars for
your pasenger to hold are a good idea.


>
> My biggest concern is that i may not be able to face loading 4 bikes +
> tag-along on and off the car. It may all be too much trouble loading
> them onto a roof rack or bike rack. What's the simplest, low-effort
> way to transport bikes for family days out like this?
>


Good quality roof rack. It's really not that hard - I can get the
bikes for the 4 of us on the roof in 5 minutes.
 
[email protected] wrote:

> Me, wife + 3 kids (aged 9, 7, 4) want to enjoy some days out cycling
> off-road (nothing too strenuous).
>
> Has anyone any ideas on...
>
> 1) where can we find details of sensible off-road rides in and around
> Oxfordshire?
> 2) what kind of trailer/tag-along/seat is good for a 4 year old?
>
> My biggest concern is that i may not be able to face loading 4 bikes +
> tag-along on and off the car. It may all be too much trouble loading
> them onto a roof rack or bike rack. What's the simplest, low-effort
> way to transport bikes for family days out like this?


By far the best way to transport the family for a day out is to cycle.

Forget the car it is so last century.

John B
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
<snip>
>
> My biggest concern is that i may not be able to face loading 4 bikes +
> tag-along on and off the car. It may all be too much trouble loading
> them onto a roof rack or bike rack. What's the simplest, low-effort
> way to transport bikes for family days out like this?
>

Sling them in a trailer. :)
Decent roof racks are quite easy to use, you might want to take
something to stand on if it's a big car or you're not tall. The racks
that stick out the back of the car with two prongs to hang the bikes on
can be a pain, but the ones with gutters for the wheels to rest in are
pretty good but they do need a lighting board.
 
On 9 Apr, 17:30, [email protected] wrote:
> Me, wife + 3 kids (aged 9, 7, 4) want to enjoy some days out cycling
> off-road (nothing too strenuous).
>
> Has anyone any ideas on...
>
> 1) where can we find details of sensible off-road rides in and around
> Oxfordshire?
> 2) what kind of trailer/tag-along/seat is good for a 4 year old?
>
> My biggest concern is that i may not be able to face loading 4 bikes +
> tag-along on and off the car. It may all be too much trouble loading
> them onto a roof rack or bike rack. What's the simplest, low-effort
> way to transport bikes for family days out like this?
>
> Thanks
> G


The best routes are the ones that lead to and from your own door.
Alternatively cycle out and get the train back or vice versa. If you
need or want to use the car then you may be able to get the kids bikes
in the boot. Take the wheels off and a 4 year old's bike isn't very
big.

A trail-gator may be slightly less stable than a dedicated tag along
but has the big advantage that the kid's bike can be unhitched and
they can ride for a bit on their own. As they grow and get a bigger
bike they trail less and ride more. Two years ago our youngest was 4
and family rides meant she was trailed all the way. Last year she
learnt to ride so for short quiet steteches we'd unhitch. Now she
rides most of the way and we just use the gator to allow us to go a
bit further than she'd manage otherwise or to help out on hills.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Danny Colyer wrote:
>
>The trailer (not previously mentioned) hangs on a boot-mounted bike
>carrier that my dad bought from Halfords years ago for transporting my
>bike to and from university. I haven't yet transported the trailerbike
>by car (except for when I bought it, when the car contained no children
>and I was able to fit it in the back), but I think it should go on the
>rear carrier quite happily.


I've used a Tag-a-long on a rear carrier without problems.
(Occasionally - when I was commuting via Park and Ride and
nursery school we had the Tag-a-long in the (estate car) boot
and my bike on the carrier because it was easier, but with more
bikes and car passengers we put more on the carrier.)

Some trailerbikes have folding booms which may make this easier.
Ones which attach to the seatpost and don't have any hinge
are quite long. (The Islabike and Burleigh ones attaching to
the rack will be shorter. The Tag-a-long we had does attach
to the seatpost, but has a universal joint moving the pivot
point closer to where the Islabike one is, though it isn't as
compact as those designed to fold for compactness. The new
Islabike one wasn't avalable when we got ours, and the Burleigh
was expensive.)


>Towball-mounted carriers are supposed to be good, but I've never tried
>one so I won't write any more about them.


There are two basic different designs of towbar mounted carrier,
ones with arms like a typical boot mounted carrier, and ones which
hole the bike more like a roof mounted carrier. The latter generally
rely on having two wheels (or at least having a front fork), so would
be tricky with a trailerbike. (We now have one of the latter, but no
longer have a trailerbike.)

(Thule.co.uk isn't working for me at the moment, but compare the two types:
http://www.roofracks.co.uk/main/hang_on_large.htm
http://www.roofracks.co.uk/main/cycleracks_rear2-3.htm)