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  1. Hi, I have kid that is flat footed (so says the doctor). When he runs,
    he runs on his heels. Essentially, he shuffles and his arms don't
    exactly look right either. It looks strange to say the least.

    Doctors claim he will grow out of this.

    Is there any exercises I can help him with that will teach him how to
    run properly? Anything to teach him how to run on the ball of his
    foot? Playing baseball and he needs help.

    Thank you for any help.

    I only posted this twice because of the person that had to ruin the
    original post. Hopefully, that person can stay out of that one.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Hi, I have kid that is flat footed (so says the doctor). When he runs,
    he runs on his heels. Essentially, he shuffles and his arms don't
    exactly look right either. It looks strange to say the least.

    Doctors claim he will grow out of this.

    Is there any exercises I can help him with that will teach him how to
    run properly? Anything to teach him how to run on the ball of his
    foot? Playing baseball and he needs help.

    Thank you for any help.

    I only posted this twice because of the person that had to ruin the
    original post. Hopefully, that person can stay out of that one.

    dude, you have to grow a thicker skin if you're going to post in here.
    TBR is like rain in England...you get used to it.

    Quoted message said:
  3. With the unenviable bloodline you two have given him, just be thankful
    he can feed and wipe himself.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Hi, I have kid that is flat footed (so says the doctor). When he


    runs,

    Quoted message said:

    he runs on his heels. Essentially, he shuffles and his arms don't
    exactly look right either. It looks strange to say the least.

    Doctors claim he will grow out of this.

    Is there any exercises I can help him with that will teach him how to
    run properly? Anything to teach him how to run on the ball of his
    foot? Playing baseball and he needs help.

    How old is the kid? Under 10 don't worry he will get the idea
    eventually. Just get him out there running around he will figure out on
    his own what is faster and what is slower. Have him run bases like I
    used to as a kid.

    For your own education think of a foot as a three legged stool. Stand
    over a stool with two legs in front and the single leg at the back.
    Pick up the stool and place it on the floor on the right leg with the
    other two off the floor. Then place the other two legs on the floor at
    the same time. Do this until you get a feel for what is going on. How
    the three parts of the foot contact the ground similarly to the stool
    and how the foot flexes as the contacts are made with the ground.

    Hope this helps,
    Andy

    Quoted message said:


    Thank you for any help.

    I only posted this twice because of the person that had to ruin the
    original post. Hopefully, that person can stay out of that one.

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    John,

    Check out http://www.chirunning.com. Danny Dreyer's book is good. His
    DVD would be of great help to your son.

    Here's what I was talking about back in 1997 and before about ball/heel:

    Ball/Heel/Ball is the Correct Running Form

    Posted by Ozzie Gontang San Diego on October 05, 1997 at 15:20:58:

    Here are some quotes on running form which I think are important in
    running properly and with minimal injury. If nothing else, it will help
    you think about your running as something which can be done gracefully.
    Ozzie Gontang

    Man the running animal at even slow running speed is meant to run
    Ball/Heel/Ball!

    While the majority of runners continue to be heel strikers. Heel
    running is based on an assumption that the majority of people are heel
    strikers. The average runner believes the assumption as seen by
    observation of runners. They land on the back of the heel of the shoe.
    By landing on the back of the heel of the shoe, a heel striker lands
    behind the actual heel of the foot. Landing behind the heel of the foot
    causes increased forces at the point of impact and a deceleration of
    one's center of gravity. Run bare foot to see what I mean.

    Either start thinking for yourself about running injury free...or
    minimal injuries...or injury prevention...and look at the way you land
    on your feet...and look at the fact that almost all running shoes worn
    by the mass of runners have very thick heels and soles and don't let
    you feel where you land or how hard you land in relation to the actual
    contact point on the heel of the foot.

    Please help me understand why very few people are willing to say that
    the majority of runners should be landing ball/heel...as the three
    authors below hold.

    From: Applied Kinesiology by Clayne Jensen & Gordon Schultz 1977 McGraw
    Hill
    p. 290-291

    "Running mechanics vary from one person to another, and they vary in
    the same person running at different speeds.

    At a slow running speed, complete foot contact is used. The
    foot-surface contact with each stride goes from the ball of the foot to
    the heel and back to the ball (restful to calf muscles). As running
    rate increases, the amount of foot contact becomes less, until finally
    at full speed only the forward part of the foot contacts the surface.
    The sprinter "runs on the toes"." (Oz's view: Actually it is the front
    of the ball of the foot just behind the toes)

    Strength, Power and Muscular Endurance for Runners & Hurdlers by John
    Jesse 1971, Athletic Press.

    p. 56 As to long-distance events, most authorities are of the opinion
    that the mechanical details are not important if the overall running
    action is efficient and relaxed with emphasis being placed on
    eliminating all bodily movements that will expend energy unnecessarily.
    However, the same authorities appear to be in agreement as to certain
    characteristics of style that lead to an optimum performance with
    economy of effort: (a) shorter stride, (b) lower knee lift, (c)
    ball-heel-ball-toe action of the foot, (d) lower and more relaxed arm
    swing, (e) high kick up in the back providing it is natural, relaxed
    movement, (f) general overall relaxed manner.

    Ten Tips on Running Form" appeared in Run Fast by Hal Higdon, © 1992 by
    Hal Higdon Communications, all rights reserved.

    TEN TIPS ON RUNNING FORM

    "FRED WILT was a distance runner on the 1948 and 1952 U.S. Olympic
    teams and became famous for his legendary indoor mile encounters at
    that time with Wisconsin's Don Gehrmann. After retiring from the FBI,
    Wilt coached the women's running teams at Purdue University. He edited
    the publication Track Technique and advised various athletes, including
    1964 Olympian Buddy Edelen, who once held the world marathon record of
    2:14:28. Wilt's tips on running form follow:

    1. Running form is a completely individual issue. Each athlete differs
    from every other at least to a minute extent in height, weight, bone
    structure, length and size of muscles, point of muscle origin and
    insertion, strength, flexibility, posture and personality, in addition
    to numerous other features. Therefore, no two runners should ever use
    identical form, even though they all adhere to basic mechanical
    principles.

    2. It is a form error of the highest magnitude to run without
    permitting the heel to touch and rest on the ground with each stride,
    without reservation, in a ball-heel grounding action. This is true at
    all running speeds, especially sprinting.

    3. It is physically possible to land heel-first in running, but this is
    quite incorrect and almost never seen, since it jars the body
    excessively and can be done only at very slow running speeds. Landing
    heel-first and "toe running" (refusing to permit the heels to ground)
    are both incorrect.

    4. Ideally, the position of the feet in running is one in which the
    inner borders fall approximately along a straight line. Athletes should
    run in a straight line, but not necessarily on such a line. When one
    foot is placed directly in front of the other, lateral (sideways)
    balance is impaired.

    5. Runners in races longer than sprint distance wherein economy of
    energy is the paramount consideration should use a natural stride: not
    exaggerated, not long, not short, but of a length in keeping with
    maximum economy of effort for the running speed required.

    6. Both understriding and overstriding are faults. Each runner has his
    own optimum stride length at any given speed, depending upon leg
    length, muscular strength and flexibility.

    7. At uniform top speed with zero acceleration, if the athlete was
    running in a vacuum with no wind resistance, there would be no body
    lean at all.

    (Oz's view: If the body like a broom handle is slightly off balance and
    the hand carrying the handle continues at the initial rate of speed of
    the handle with zero acceleration, there is a lean from the ankle to
    the top of the head be it ever so slight. In a vacuum, Wilt did not
    take into consideration that the resistance is the foot against the
    ground. I cannot go forward unless the body's vector forces are
    "leaning" in that direction.)

    8. The hands should be carried in a relaxed, cupped position at all
    running speeds. They should never be rigidly clenched in a fist while
    running, since this produces tension, which causes unnecessary fatigue.

    9. The head should be aligned naturally with the trunk, and the eyes
    should be focused a few meters ahead while running.

    (Oz's view: The difficulty here is that the head follows the eyes and
    the body follows the head. The trapezius muscles are not meant to hold
    the head up. When the head is aligned, and held up it is balanced upon
    the neck. Also the reality is that the human eye can see peripherally.
    So by looking at infinity, I can seen 6 or 7 feet in front of me
    without looking down. If I need to look down I can look down with my
    eyes and keep my head balanced. The difficulty is that most people
    lower their head when "focused a few meters ahead while running." The
    problems caused by that slight imbalance of the head are magnified as
    muscles throughout the body must adjust to the imbalance.)

    10. Usually the best solution to apparent form problems is many
    repetitions of running short distances, such as 100 meters, at a fast,
    though not exhausting pace.

    (Oz's view: As in Tai Chi, Walking Meditation, Yoga, Feldenkrais
    Method, Alexander Technique, Mensendieck System, the view is moving
    slowly and with awareness and mindfulness. The adage would read: "Walk
    before you run, and run slowly well to run fast well.)

    "Ten Tips on Running Form" appeared in Run Fast by Hal Higdon,
    Copyright © 1992 by Hal Higdon Communications, all rights reserved.
    Autographed copies of this book are available for $16.50 (includes
    shipping and handling) from Roadrunner Press, P.O. Box 1034, Michigan
    City, IN 46361-1034.

    Here's a reference book for your running library that you will use for
    years to come. If you want to purchase a copy of this book which I
    still use as a reference and guide to answering questions and
    understanding running problems, send $15 which covers the price of the
    book and shipping/handling.

    The book is: Hidden Causes of Injury, Prevention And Correction, for
    Running Athletes and Joggers by John Jesse, 1977.

    Make out the $20 check or money order to:
    IAM or Int'l Assoc. of Marathoners
    c/o Ozzie Gontang
    2903 29th Street
    San Diego, CA 92104

    Excerpt from the Intro:

    "Three of the four hidden factors (of injury) - muscular imbalance,
    postural faults, and foot faults - are so common among the general
    population that it is doubtful whether any young athlete enters the
    field of athletic competition without being affected to a lesser or
    greater degree by one or more of them.

    The writer (John Jesse) believes a more detailed and complete
    discussion of these factors and of the methods of correcting them or
    preventing their further development will enable the coach, trainer,
    and athlete to cope with them early in the young athlete's career. It
    will enable the athlete to reduce to a minimum the number of roadblocks
    and setbacks he(she) suffers during training and in pursuit of his(her)
    goals.

    The information presented here should be of great value to the several
    million physical fitness joggers and runners in the population, because
    the book is aimed at providing understandable answers to all injuries
    that interrupt their progress toward attainment of an increased level
    of cardiovascular fitness, or that interfere with the psychological
    satisfactions obtained from engaging in such activities.

    The human body supports itself against gravity, segment upon segment,
    relying on the muscles and ligaments that cross the joints, along with
    postural reflexes, to maintain an erect position and proper body
    alignment. Hence, there has to be a total or "holistic" approach to
    prevention and to correction of the hidden factors mentioned above. The
    reader must integrate his/her thinking to a total body concept."

    John Jesse was a team mate at USC with Payton Jordon who was the US
    Olympic head track and field coach in 1968. John wrote this book for
    you and me, so that we could understand through popular language, and
    with scientific and technical language kept to a minimum but using
    diagrams, illustrations or short glossaries so we the laymen could
    understand should we want to delve deeper.

    In health and on the run,
    Ozzie Gontang
    Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
    Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/
    Mindful Running:
    http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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    Quoted message said:

    Hi, I have kid that is flat footed (so says the doctor). When he runs,
    he runs on his heels. Essentially, he shuffles and his arms don't
    exactly look right either. It looks strange to say the least.

    Doctors claim he will grow out of this.

    Is there any exercises I can help him with that will teach him how to
    run properly? Anything to teach him how to run on the ball of his
    foot? Playing baseball and he needs help.

    Thank you for any help.

    I only posted this twice because of the person that had to ruin the
    original post. Hopefully, that person can stay out of that one.

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