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  1. THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

  2. THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

  3. Quoted message said:
    Eric said:

    I know what it is like to live in that double life. Having a weight


    problem makes you either a slob or the funny guy in the group. I find
    that being around people and listening to these guys and gals that
    weigh possible 110 pounds but call themselves fat just damn
    irritating. They laugh at me and just call me fluffy or pleasantly
    plump. What do they know?!? If they truely were fat they wouldn't
    know how to handle it. I wish the best of luck to you and look
    forward to seeing your posts.

    Thank you so much.

  4. Quoted message said:
    Eric said:

    I know what it is like to live in that double life. Having a weight


    problem makes you either a slob or the funny guy in the group. I find
    that being around people and listening to these guys and gals that
    weigh possible 110 pounds but call themselves fat just damn
    irritating. They laugh at me and just call me fluffy or pleasantly
    plump. What do they know?!? If they truely were fat they wouldn't
    know how to handle it. I wish the best of luck to you and look
    forward to seeing your posts.

    Thank you so much.

  5. Quoted message said:
    Eric said:

    I know what it is like to live in that double life. Having a weight


    problem makes you either a slob or the funny guy in the group. I find
    that being around people and listening to these guys and gals that
    weigh possible 110 pounds but call themselves fat just damn
    irritating. They laugh at me and just call me fluffy or pleasantly
    plump. What do they know?!? If they truely were fat they wouldn't
    know how to handle it. I wish the best of luck to you and look
    forward to seeing your posts.

    Thank you so much.

  6. "Eric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    Sounds kind of off-the-wall to me. Protein sparing is usually done under a
    doctor's supervision. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think a doctor put
    you on a cheese, kool-aid and laxative diet.

    Two things: first, I'm rooting for you. Second, if you haven't already, read
    a decent low-carb book like Protein Power or Atkins.

    It looks to me like you're going way out on a limb with a weird diet that
    you probably can't maintain. If you're serious about this, and I think you
    are, take a few days and come up with a reasonable plan that you can follow
    and go from there.

    Here are some links you may find of interest:

    Stillman's
    http://www.lowcarb.org/stillman.html

    Atkin's Induction
    http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/

    protein sparing:
    http://www.drblythe.com/weightloss/chptr6txt.htm

    Just my .015

    Mike

  7. "Eric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    Sounds kind of off-the-wall to me. Protein sparing is usually done under a
    doctor's supervision. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think a doctor put
    you on a cheese, kool-aid and laxative diet.

    Two things: first, I'm rooting for you. Second, if you haven't already, read
    a decent low-carb book like Protein Power or Atkins.

    It looks to me like you're going way out on a limb with a weird diet that
    you probably can't maintain. If you're serious about this, and I think you
    are, take a few days and come up with a reasonable plan that you can follow
    and go from there.

    Here are some links you may find of interest:

    Stillman's
    http://www.lowcarb.org/stillman.html

    Atkin's Induction
    http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/

    protein sparing:
    http://www.drblythe.com/weightloss/chptr6txt.htm

    Just my .015

    Mike

  8. "Eric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    Sounds kind of off-the-wall to me. Protein sparing is usually done under a
    doctor's supervision. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think a doctor put
    you on a cheese, kool-aid and laxative diet.

    Two things: first, I'm rooting for you. Second, if you haven't already, read
    a decent low-carb book like Protein Power or Atkins.

    It looks to me like you're going way out on a limb with a weird diet that
    you probably can't maintain. If you're serious about this, and I think you
    are, take a few days and come up with a reasonable plan that you can follow
    and go from there.

    Here are some links you may find of interest:

    Stillman's
    http://www.lowcarb.org/stillman.html

    Atkin's Induction
    http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/

    protein sparing:
    http://www.drblythe.com/weightloss/chptr6txt.htm

    Just my .015

    Mike

  9. On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:44:46 -0000, Eric <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    First -- welcome to the group.

    Second -- what plan is it that you're following? Why don't you just
    eat real food?

    --
    BlueBrooke
    254/225/135

  10. On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:44:46 -0000, Eric <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    First -- welcome to the group.

    Second -- what plan is it that you're following? Why don't you just
    eat real food?

    --
    BlueBrooke
    254/225/135

  11. On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:44:46 -0000, Eric <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    First -- welcome to the group.

    Second -- what plan is it that you're following? Why don't you just
    eat real food?

    --
    BlueBrooke
    254/225/135

  12. BlueBrooke .@. said:


    First -- welcome to the group.

    Second -- what plan is it that you're following? Why don't you just
    eat real food?

    --
    BlueBrooke

    Thank you for your welcome.

    In answer to your question, because real food doesn't work for me, and
    it never has. I like real food, and I tend to eat more of it than is
    good for me.

    But Jesus Christ, who can afford "real food" that would taste
    acceptable on a low-carb diet? Once you get into making low-carb
    sauces and pounding down low-carb meals from the animal kingdom...holy
    damn, the price tag mounts up! We're talking at least six dollars a
    day if you try to eat 2000 calories in meat and fish with some level
    of variety. That adds up to some serious bread, doesn't it?

    Speaking of bread, once I get into "real food" and not food that
    convinces me I'm on a diet when I'm on a diet, the separation in my
    head between "I'm eating real food" and "I'm on a diet" quickly gets
    blurry, especially in the first stages of a low-carb diet. Somehow,
    when I'm consuming a cheesy medium-rare half-pound patty on a plate,
    it reminds me that I'm missing a decent kaiser roll.

    Putting it on some ultra-special preservative-reeking soya cracker-
    wannabe ain't gonna cut it at that point. (That might fall under
    someone's else's definition of "real food," but not mine.)

    Being on an easy diet, for me, is kind of like being on an easy plan
    to quit smoking. I've done it three times, and it does get easier each
    time, but the second I start trying to make the experience anything
    less than a clear separation between me and the puffies, everything
    goes to hell.

    And judging from the fact that going by the accepted wisdom provided
    by dieting gurus means that 95% of people who lose weight on diets
    simply regain it again in five years, I think that there might be some
    logic to what I say. As far as I know, there is very little research
    that actually targets "what losing it fast" and "losing it slow"
    means. If you look at studies, an element of exercise is always
    involved, as well as an element of behavioral modification. My
    conclusion based on the suspicious regularity of these recurring
    elements in the advice that we all tend to suck up like mother's milk
    is that there is really very little difference in the failure rates of
    those who lose it fast and those who lose it slow, as long as
    carefully planned elements of both behavioral modification and
    exercise exists. To prove that, of course, we would have to have
    access to raw data, and that data is firmly in the control of the
    powers that be, the ones that have all the money and the power, and
    preach to all of us about how to live life on their terms.

    Based on these observations, I think it's far more likely that the
    reason why losing weight is so frowned upon by nutritionists is that
    you very simply can't tell people of all ages and backgrounds that
    they should lose weight fast. Some older individual is going to kill
    himself, and it's very easy for even one good lawsuit to establish
    liability and wipe out the profitability of any diet plan.

    In general, the same holds true for all marketed exercise programs,
    and even things like the US Navy's delayed entrance program. To be
    frank, a forty-year-old could probably follow the preparation plan our
    salty dogs lay out in their DEP manual to get ready for boot camp.
    Since the military doesn't recruit anyone above 28, well, you can see
    the absurd logic behind detailing a TEN WEEK program that takes an
    average 20-something from walking 40 minutes a day 4 times a week to
    running 30 minutes three times a week.

    The idiot-fix is in. The Navy's primary goal in telling you to go as
    slowly as that is to AVOID GETTING SUED, not to actually help you.

    Atkins proved to my satisfaction long ago that the American Medical
    Association is most definitely in the pocket of well-organized
    multinational agribusiness, so I have a lot of suspicion when it comes
    to following any kind of accepted wisdom in dieting. If it's been
    documented, if it's been proven and confirmed, I'll try it, but start
    taking steps away from that, and the next thing you know, you're
    playing games with yourself that you can live with just a few
    cigarettes (oops, I mean dietary slip-ups) a week, and then you're
    back where you started.

    But Atkins is in the same boat as the rest of them. One poor [censored]
    dies and their spouse runs to a well-funded and well-connected
    personal injury lawyer, and poor Dr. Atkins is B-R-O-K-E.

    So I'm trying to eat about a thousand calories a day, with a less than
    20% caloric intake from carbohydrates. I'm a bit worried about
    vitamins, but as to keeping this going for something like three months
    and dropping ninety pounds...now that's a challenge worth fighting
    for. This is, with the simple addition of more protein, the Benoit-
    study dietary ketosis diet detailed in Atkins. A peer-evaluated,
    proven plan under the unflinching terms of the scientific method, as
    Atkins goes on to show and I have scoured old medical journals to
    confirm.

    Now the issue of losing weight, when it comes to me, seems to be food
    addiction before any other. Not genes, nor willpower, but addiction.
    And the addict, caught in the throes of addiction, does not make
    positive choices on a day-to-day basis, which is more or less the only
    reason why he is typically called an "addict" and not a "role model."
    The addict's brain does not function solely according to the dictates
    of logic and reason, just like everyone else's, but in an overt way
    that leads to a lack of socioeconomic success and personal
    fulfillment, as defined by our society.

    I have seen this pattern of behavior over and over in myself, and I'd
    be willing to bet anyone reading a low-carb newsgroup has as well.
    When it comes to addiction, be it physical or psychological, there
    comes a point where you simply HAVE TO STOP. The commitment you make
    to stop is not about logic. It is about a furious "NO!" thrown out
    into the everlasting, uncaring ether that exists despite you and your
    puny self, a determination to not give in and do what is easy but
    choose instead what is right.

    And that, in its turn, could be said to be the essence of faith,
    commitment, or even love.

    And that, for me, leads to the inescapable conclusion that I really
    have to stop enjoying food, enjoying eating all I want, and
    relentlessly rearrange up some of the wiring in my head to make things
    lead to different places. I have tried other times in the past, and
    half-finished the job, but the food demon has returned to climb once
    again on my back and sink his relentless claws into my shoulders. I am
    quite certain that the food demon will kill me, unless I finally
    manage to throw him off and wrestle him into eternal submission.

    Once again, thank you for your welcome.

  13. BlueBrooke .@. said:


    First -- welcome to the group.

    Second -- what plan is it that you're following? Why don't you just
    eat real food?

    --
    BlueBrooke

    Thank you for your welcome.

    In answer to your question, because real food doesn't work for me, and
    it never has. I like real food, and I tend to eat more of it than is
    good for me.

    But Jesus Christ, who can afford "real food" that would taste
    acceptable on a low-carb diet? Once you get into making low-carb
    sauces and pounding down low-carb meals from the animal kingdom...holy
    damn, the price tag mounts up! We're talking at least six dollars a
    day if you try to eat 2000 calories in meat and fish with some level
    of variety. That adds up to some serious bread, doesn't it?

    Speaking of bread, once I get into "real food" and not food that
    convinces me I'm on a diet when I'm on a diet, the separation in my
    head between "I'm eating real food" and "I'm on a diet" quickly gets
    blurry, especially in the first stages of a low-carb diet. Somehow,
    when I'm consuming a cheesy medium-rare half-pound patty on a plate,
    it reminds me that I'm missing a decent kaiser roll.

    Putting it on some ultra-special preservative-reeking soya cracker-
    wannabe ain't gonna cut it at that point. (That might fall under
    someone's else's definition of "real food," but not mine.)

    Being on an easy diet, for me, is kind of like being on an easy plan
    to quit smoking. I've done it three times, and it does get easier each
    time, but the second I start trying to make the experience anything
    less than a clear separation between me and the puffies, everything
    goes to hell.

    And judging from the fact that going by the accepted wisdom provided
    by dieting gurus means that 95% of people who lose weight on diets
    simply regain it again in five years, I think that there might be some
    logic to what I say. As far as I know, there is very little research
    that actually targets "what losing it fast" and "losing it slow"
    means. If you look at studies, an element of exercise is always
    involved, as well as an element of behavioral modification. My
    conclusion based on the suspicious regularity of these recurring
    elements in the advice that we all tend to suck up like mother's milk
    is that there is really very little difference in the failure rates of
    those who lose it fast and those who lose it slow, as long as
    carefully planned elements of both behavioral modification and
    exercise exists. To prove that, of course, we would have to have
    access to raw data, and that data is firmly in the control of the
    powers that be, the ones that have all the money and the power, and
    preach to all of us about how to live life on their terms.

    Based on these observations, I think it's far more likely that the
    reason why losing weight is so frowned upon by nutritionists is that
    you very simply can't tell people of all ages and backgrounds that
    they should lose weight fast. Some older individual is going to kill
    himself, and it's very easy for even one good lawsuit to establish
    liability and wipe out the profitability of any diet plan.

    In general, the same holds true for all marketed exercise programs,
    and even things like the US Navy's delayed entrance program. To be
    frank, a forty-year-old could probably follow the preparation plan our
    salty dogs lay out in their DEP manual to get ready for boot camp.
    Since the military doesn't recruit anyone above 28, well, you can see
    the absurd logic behind detailing a TEN WEEK program that takes an
    average 20-something from walking 40 minutes a day 4 times a week to
    running 30 minutes three times a week.

    The idiot-fix is in. The Navy's primary goal in telling you to go as
    slowly as that is to AVOID GETTING SUED, not to actually help you.

    Atkins proved to my satisfaction long ago that the American Medical
    Association is most definitely in the pocket of well-organized
    multinational agribusiness, so I have a lot of suspicion when it comes
    to following any kind of accepted wisdom in dieting. If it's been
    documented, if it's been proven and confirmed, I'll try it, but start
    taking steps away from that, and the next thing you know, you're
    playing games with yourself that you can live with just a few
    cigarettes (oops, I mean dietary slip-ups) a week, and then you're
    back where you started.

    But Atkins is in the same boat as the rest of them. One poor [censored]
    dies and their spouse runs to a well-funded and well-connected
    personal injury lawyer, and poor Dr. Atkins is B-R-O-K-E.

    So I'm trying to eat about a thousand calories a day, with a less than
    20% caloric intake from carbohydrates. I'm a bit worried about
    vitamins, but as to keeping this going for something like three months
    and dropping ninety pounds...now that's a challenge worth fighting
    for. This is, with the simple addition of more protein, the Benoit-
    study dietary ketosis diet detailed in Atkins. A peer-evaluated,
    proven plan under the unflinching terms of the scientific method, as
    Atkins goes on to show and I have scoured old medical journals to
    confirm.

    Now the issue of losing weight, when it comes to me, seems to be food
    addiction before any other. Not genes, nor willpower, but addiction.
    And the addict, caught in the throes of addiction, does not make
    positive choices on a day-to-day basis, which is more or less the only
    reason why he is typically called an "addict" and not a "role model."
    The addict's brain does not function solely according to the dictates
    of logic and reason, just like everyone else's, but in an overt way
    that leads to a lack of socioeconomic success and personal
    fulfillment, as defined by our society.

    I have seen this pattern of behavior over and over in myself, and I'd
    be willing to bet anyone reading a low-carb newsgroup has as well.
    When it comes to addiction, be it physical or psychological, there
    comes a point where you simply HAVE TO STOP. The commitment you make
    to stop is not about logic. It is about a furious "NO!" thrown out
    into the everlasting, uncaring ether that exists despite you and your
    puny self, a determination to not give in and do what is easy but
    choose instead what is right.

    And that, in its turn, could be said to be the essence of faith,
    commitment, or even love.

    And that, for me, leads to the inescapable conclusion that I really
    have to stop enjoying food, enjoying eating all I want, and
    relentlessly rearrange up some of the wiring in my head to make things
    lead to different places. I have tried other times in the past, and
    half-finished the job, but the food demon has returned to climb once
    again on my back and sink his relentless claws into my shoulders. I am
    quite certain that the food demon will kill me, unless I finally
    manage to throw him off and wrestle him into eternal submission.

    Once again, thank you for your welcome.

  14. BlueBrooke .@. said:


    First -- welcome to the group.

    Second -- what plan is it that you're following? Why don't you just
    eat real food?

    --
    BlueBrooke

    Thank you for your welcome.

    In answer to your question, because real food doesn't work for me, and
    it never has. I like real food, and I tend to eat more of it than is
    good for me.

    But Jesus Christ, who can afford "real food" that would taste
    acceptable on a low-carb diet? Once you get into making low-carb
    sauces and pounding down low-carb meals from the animal kingdom...holy
    damn, the price tag mounts up! We're talking at least six dollars a
    day if you try to eat 2000 calories in meat and fish with some level
    of variety. That adds up to some serious bread, doesn't it?

    Speaking of bread, once I get into "real food" and not food that
    convinces me I'm on a diet when I'm on a diet, the separation in my
    head between "I'm eating real food" and "I'm on a diet" quickly gets
    blurry, especially in the first stages of a low-carb diet. Somehow,
    when I'm consuming a cheesy medium-rare half-pound patty on a plate,
    it reminds me that I'm missing a decent kaiser roll.

    Putting it on some ultra-special preservative-reeking soya cracker-
    wannabe ain't gonna cut it at that point. (That might fall under
    someone's else's definition of "real food," but not mine.)

    Being on an easy diet, for me, is kind of like being on an easy plan
    to quit smoking. I've done it three times, and it does get easier each
    time, but the second I start trying to make the experience anything
    less than a clear separation between me and the puffies, everything
    goes to hell.

    And judging from the fact that going by the accepted wisdom provided
    by dieting gurus means that 95% of people who lose weight on diets
    simply regain it again in five years, I think that there might be some
    logic to what I say. As far as I know, there is very little research
    that actually targets "what losing it fast" and "losing it slow"
    means. If you look at studies, an element of exercise is always
    involved, as well as an element of behavioral modification. My
    conclusion based on the suspicious regularity of these recurring
    elements in the advice that we all tend to suck up like mother's milk
    is that there is really very little difference in the failure rates of
    those who lose it fast and those who lose it slow, as long as
    carefully planned elements of both behavioral modification and
    exercise exists. To prove that, of course, we would have to have
    access to raw data, and that data is firmly in the control of the
    powers that be, the ones that have all the money and the power, and
    preach to all of us about how to live life on their terms.

    Based on these observations, I think it's far more likely that the
    reason why losing weight is so frowned upon by nutritionists is that
    you very simply can't tell people of all ages and backgrounds that
    they should lose weight fast. Some older individual is going to kill
    himself, and it's very easy for even one good lawsuit to establish
    liability and wipe out the profitability of any diet plan.

    In general, the same holds true for all marketed exercise programs,
    and even things like the US Navy's delayed entrance program. To be
    frank, a forty-year-old could probably follow the preparation plan our
    salty dogs lay out in their DEP manual to get ready for boot camp.
    Since the military doesn't recruit anyone above 28, well, you can see
    the absurd logic behind detailing a TEN WEEK program that takes an
    average 20-something from walking 40 minutes a day 4 times a week to
    running 30 minutes three times a week.

    The idiot-fix is in. The Navy's primary goal in telling you to go as
    slowly as that is to AVOID GETTING SUED, not to actually help you.

    Atkins proved to my satisfaction long ago that the American Medical
    Association is most definitely in the pocket of well-organized
    multinational agribusiness, so I have a lot of suspicion when it comes
    to following any kind of accepted wisdom in dieting. If it's been
    documented, if it's been proven and confirmed, I'll try it, but start
    taking steps away from that, and the next thing you know, you're
    playing games with yourself that you can live with just a few
    cigarettes (oops, I mean dietary slip-ups) a week, and then you're
    back where you started.

    But Atkins is in the same boat as the rest of them. One poor [censored]
    dies and their spouse runs to a well-funded and well-connected
    personal injury lawyer, and poor Dr. Atkins is B-R-O-K-E.

    So I'm trying to eat about a thousand calories a day, with a less than
    20% caloric intake from carbohydrates. I'm a bit worried about
    vitamins, but as to keeping this going for something like three months
    and dropping ninety pounds...now that's a challenge worth fighting
    for. This is, with the simple addition of more protein, the Benoit-
    study dietary ketosis diet detailed in Atkins. A peer-evaluated,
    proven plan under the unflinching terms of the scientific method, as
    Atkins goes on to show and I have scoured old medical journals to
    confirm.

    Now the issue of losing weight, when it comes to me, seems to be food
    addiction before any other. Not genes, nor willpower, but addiction.
    And the addict, caught in the throes of addiction, does not make
    positive choices on a day-to-day basis, which is more or less the only
    reason why he is typically called an "addict" and not a "role model."
    The addict's brain does not function solely according to the dictates
    of logic and reason, just like everyone else's, but in an overt way
    that leads to a lack of socioeconomic success and personal
    fulfillment, as defined by our society.

    I have seen this pattern of behavior over and over in myself, and I'd
    be willing to bet anyone reading a low-carb newsgroup has as well.
    When it comes to addiction, be it physical or psychological, there
    comes a point where you simply HAVE TO STOP. The commitment you make
    to stop is not about logic. It is about a furious "NO!" thrown out
    into the everlasting, uncaring ether that exists despite you and your
    puny self, a determination to not give in and do what is easy but
    choose instead what is right.

    And that, in its turn, could be said to be the essence of faith,
    commitment, or even love.

    And that, for me, leads to the inescapable conclusion that I really
    have to stop enjoying food, enjoying eating all I want, and
    relentlessly rearrange up some of the wiring in my head to make things
    lead to different places. I have tried other times in the past, and
    half-finished the job, but the food demon has returned to climb once
    again on my back and sink his relentless claws into my shoulders. I am
    quite certain that the food demon will kill me, unless I finally
    manage to throw him off and wrestle him into eternal submission.

    Once again, thank you for your welcome.

  15. em said:

    Sounds kind of off-the-wall to me. Protein sparing is usually done under a
    doctor's supervision. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think a doctor put
    you on a cheese, kool-aid and laxative diet.

    Two things: first, I'm rooting for you. Second, if you haven't already, read
    a decent low-carb book like Protein Power or Atkins.

    It looks to me like you're going way out on a limb with a weird diet that
    you probably can't maintain. If you're serious about this, and I think you
    are, take a few days and come up with a reasonable plan that you can follow
    and go from there.

    Here are some links you may find of interest:

    Stillman'shttp://www.lowcarb.org/stillman.html

    Atkin's Inductionhttp://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/

    protein sparing:http://www.drblythe.com/weightloss/chptr6txt.htm

    Just my .015

    Mike- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    This is the beauty of a newsgroup, isn't it?

    I've read Atkins cover-to-cover at least fifteen times. I've looked up
    Atkins's quoted research in Lancet and the BMJ, and he's telling the
    truth. And I have never, never managed to lose weight slowly and
    patiently on some nice-n-easy "take it off in 7982 weeks, lose a pound
    every fifteen weeks, we go slow" diet. I sincerely doubt I can:
    there's something about that whole mentality that screams "masochist."

    Nope: the only way that has ever worked for me to actually lose weight
    is to dive in and fight the food demon head-on. Well-meaning attempts
    to regulate weight loss at half-speed and three-quarters speed seem to
    require the same amount of willpower for me as the off-the-wall diet I
    am describing.

    A pound a day, every day, is the only way it's ever worked for me,
    insane as is sounds. I suspect I'm not alone, however.

    Now, maybe that is my problem. Maybe I need to learn how to accept a
    less-enthusiastic approach to dieting. Maybe I need something entirely
    new, a balanced weight-loss program that leads me by the hand down the
    road to weight loss bit-by-bit, come on, honey, you can do it, rah,
    rah, rah...

    Or maybe the whole mentality that says "lose it slow" is a crock of
    [censored], fed by doctors frightened by lawyers in sharp suits.

    This is the beauty of a newsgroup, isn't it?

  16. em said:

    Sounds kind of off-the-wall to me. Protein sparing is usually done under a
    doctor's supervision. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think a doctor put
    you on a cheese, kool-aid and laxative diet.

    Two things: first, I'm rooting for you. Second, if you haven't already, read
    a decent low-carb book like Protein Power or Atkins.

    It looks to me like you're going way out on a limb with a weird diet that
    you probably can't maintain. If you're serious about this, and I think you
    are, take a few days and come up with a reasonable plan that you can follow
    and go from there.

    Here are some links you may find of interest:

    Stillman'shttp://www.lowcarb.org/stillman.html

    Atkin's Inductionhttp://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/

    protein sparing:http://www.drblythe.com/weightloss/chptr6txt.htm

    Just my .015

    Mike- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    This is the beauty of a newsgroup, isn't it?

    I've read Atkins cover-to-cover at least fifteen times. I've looked up
    Atkins's quoted research in Lancet and the BMJ, and he's telling the
    truth. And I have never, never managed to lose weight slowly and
    patiently on some nice-n-easy "take it off in 7982 weeks, lose a pound
    every fifteen weeks, we go slow" diet. I sincerely doubt I can:
    there's something about that whole mentality that screams "masochist."

    Nope: the only way that has ever worked for me to actually lose weight
    is to dive in and fight the food demon head-on. Well-meaning attempts
    to regulate weight loss at half-speed and three-quarters speed seem to
    require the same amount of willpower for me as the off-the-wall diet I
    am describing.

    A pound a day, every day, is the only way it's ever worked for me,
    insane as is sounds. I suspect I'm not alone, however.

    Now, maybe that is my problem. Maybe I need to learn how to accept a
    less-enthusiastic approach to dieting. Maybe I need something entirely
    new, a balanced weight-loss program that leads me by the hand down the
    road to weight loss bit-by-bit, come on, honey, you can do it, rah,
    rah, rah...

    Or maybe the whole mentality that says "lose it slow" is a crock of
    [censored], fed by doctors frightened by lawyers in sharp suits.

    This is the beauty of a newsgroup, isn't it?

  17. em said:

    Sounds kind of off-the-wall to me. Protein sparing is usually done under a
    doctor's supervision. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think a doctor put
    you on a cheese, kool-aid and laxative diet.

    Two things: first, I'm rooting for you. Second, if you haven't already, read
    a decent low-carb book like Protein Power or Atkins.

    It looks to me like you're going way out on a limb with a weird diet that
    you probably can't maintain. If you're serious about this, and I think you
    are, take a few days and come up with a reasonable plan that you can follow
    and go from there.

    Here are some links you may find of interest:

    Stillman'shttp://www.lowcarb.org/stillman.html

    Atkin's Inductionhttp://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/

    protein sparing:http://www.drblythe.com/weightloss/chptr6txt.htm

    Just my .015

    Mike- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    This is the beauty of a newsgroup, isn't it?

    I've read Atkins cover-to-cover at least fifteen times. I've looked up
    Atkins's quoted research in Lancet and the BMJ, and he's telling the
    truth. And I have never, never managed to lose weight slowly and
    patiently on some nice-n-easy "take it off in 7982 weeks, lose a pound
    every fifteen weeks, we go slow" diet. I sincerely doubt I can:
    there's something about that whole mentality that screams "masochist."

    Nope: the only way that has ever worked for me to actually lose weight
    is to dive in and fight the food demon head-on. Well-meaning attempts
    to regulate weight loss at half-speed and three-quarters speed seem to
    require the same amount of willpower for me as the off-the-wall diet I
    am describing.

    A pound a day, every day, is the only way it's ever worked for me,
    insane as is sounds. I suspect I'm not alone, however.

    Now, maybe that is my problem. Maybe I need to learn how to accept a
    less-enthusiastic approach to dieting. Maybe I need something entirely
    new, a balanced weight-loss program that leads me by the hand down the
    road to weight loss bit-by-bit, come on, honey, you can do it, rah,
    rah, rah...

    Or maybe the whole mentality that says "lose it slow" is a crock of
    [censored], fed by doctors frightened by lawyers in sharp suits.

    This is the beauty of a newsgroup, isn't it?

  18. Eric said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    I don't know, but I have to say I enjoy my bacon and egg for brekky and
    steak and salad for dinner🙂

  19. Eric said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    I don't know, but I have to say I enjoy my bacon and egg for brekky and
    steak and salad for dinner🙂

  20. Eric said:

    THE FIRST DAY

    November 10, 12:38 pm

    Well, I wrote my first post yesterday, so I'd better pony up today
    with the particulars of my diet. First of all, morning weight-in. I
    was at 279.0, 38.0% fat and 45.5% water. The scale gave me two pluses,
    which means that I am OBESE. Something must be done, or I feel there's
    a very real chance that the next step will be bariatric surgery. I
    would like to avoid that, if I could.

    I intend to eat eight ounces of cheese every day, along with a multi-
    vitamin and 23 grams of additional protein from a wonderfully cheap
    source of whey protein powder that I found at my local supermarket.
    Eight ounces of cheese will give me 64 grams of protein every day.

    In the first week, at least, I'm going to mix the powder with a cup of
    whole milk, which will add 6 more grams of protein but 12 more grams
    of carbohydrates. I'm also going to suck down some psyllium husk
    laxative, to the tune of one full tablespoon, which adds 12 grams of
    carbohydrates. The cheese will give me 8 more grams of carbohydrates
    for a grand total, in my first week, of:

    12 (laxative) + 12 (milk) + 8 (cheese) + 2 (protein powder) = 34 grams
    of carbyhydrates

    While protein will be at:

    0 (laxative) + 8 (milk) + 64 (cheese) + 23(powder) = 95 grams of
    protein

    I'll swill all the Kool-Aid I can handle, sweetened with Splenda,
    which means less than 1 gram of carbohydrates per half-gallon.

    Yes, this diet composition is essentially a low-carbohydrate, protein-
    sparing fast. I'm worried about potassium amounts and am going out
    today to get my hands on a serious supplement, but does anyone else
    see anything else that could kill me?

    I don't know, but I have to say I enjoy my bacon and egg for brekky and
    steak and salad for dinner🙂

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