EPHEDRA BAN - What is the REAL REASON FOR IT ???



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John Galt

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Epedra Ban -

Why? If 100 people died from ephedra abuse, and edphedra is being
banned, why is tobacco not banned? How many have died from tobacco
abuse? Certainly more than 100!

What is the real reason for ephedra ban? Economics? politics?
pharmaceutical lobbyists?

Ephedra has a great many legitimate herbal uses, such as lung and
sinus problems. What herb will be banned next?

To understand why ephedra is being banned, look at the dollar flow,
not people getting "hurt" by ephedra.

This might be worth a few letters to representatives....It makes no
sense.
 
>Epedra Ban -
>
>Why? If 100 people died from ephedra abuse, and edphedra is being
>banned, why is tobacco not banned? How many have died from tobacco
>abuse? Certainly more than 100!
>
>What is the real reason for ephedra ban? Economics? politics?
>pharmaceutical lobbyists?


Lawsuits, Lawsuits, & more Lawsuits.

>Ephedra has a great many legitimate herbal uses, such as lung and
>sinus problems. What herb will be banned next?


It should only be prescribed or dispensed by MD's DO's or Licensed
Acupuncturists.

>To understand why ephedra is being banned, look at the dollar flow,
>not people getting "hurt" by ephedra.


Trial lawyers.........

>This might be worth a few letters to representatives....It makes no
>sense.
 
"John Galt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Epedra Ban -
>
> Why? If 100 people died from ephedra abuse, and edphedra is being
> banned, why is tobacco not banned? How many have died from tobacco
> abuse? Certainly more than 100!


A reasonable question. It is simply different legislation. They explain
it all here ---

http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/ephedra/december2003/qa.html

One section which shows how limited FDA powers really are under DSHEA ----
Why didn't FDA reach this conclusion sooner?

The law that governs how FDA can regulate dietary supplements, the Dietary
Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), requires FDA to do a lot of
hard work with limited tools in order to determine that a dietary supplement
is too unsafe to be marketed. In contrast to drugs, which must be proven
safe and effective to be marketed, DSHEA requires FDA to develop evidence
post marketing that a dietary supplement presents an "unreasonable risk of
illness or injury." But FDA has no authority to require any studies of
safety or effectiveness, or even to obtain reports of adverse events from
manufacturers. FDA first proposed regulating ephedra in 1997, but commenters
including the U.S. General Accounting Office generally believed that FDA had
not developed sufficient evidence for action. There is now considerably more
evidence available on ephedra's risks and benefits than when the proposed
rule was published. Earlier this year, the Agency published a Federal
Register (FR) notice reopening the comment period on its 1997 proposed rule
on dietary supplements containing ephedrine alkaloids to seek comment on new
scientific evidence about the risks of these products and on a proposed
warning statement for the labels of these products. The FR announcement also
sought comments on whether, in light of current information, FDA should
determine that dietary supplements containing ephedrine alkaloids present a
significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury under the conditions
of use recommended or suggested in labeling, or under ordinary conditions of
use if the labeling is silent. In FDA's view, "unreasonable risk" implies a
risk-benefit calculus. In order to make such a calculus, the FDA had to
examine the best available scientific evidence and take it into account in
assessing whether the product's known or suspected risks outweigh its known
or suspected benefits. We sought comment from health professionals, the
supplement industry, and the general public on any additional data on
ephedra's safety, so that FDA could acquire the most complete picture
possible of the product's potential risks, as a basis for appropriate
further regulatory action.



Peter Moran
 
Okay....

But, back to my point....

tobacco has killed many more than ephedra, there have also been many
huge lawsuits relating to damages that tobacco has inflicted.

Why not ban tobacco, like ephedra ?



I personally don't care if epedra is banned...I'm just curious what
the logic and reasoning of all this is.
 
"John Galt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Okay....
>
> But, back to my point....
>
> tobacco has killed many more than ephedra, there have also been many
> huge lawsuits relating to damages that tobacco has inflicted.
>
> Why not ban tobacco, like ephedra ?


Tobacco is not in law seen as a medicinal product, nor is it sold as a
medicinal product, so it comes under different legislation. It doesn't
have to make sense. It's the law.

Peter Moran
 
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:59:02 +1000, "Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"John Galt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Okay....
>>
>> But, back to my point....
>>
>> tobacco has killed many more than ephedra, there have also been many
>> huge lawsuits relating to damages that tobacco has inflicted.
>>
>> Why not ban tobacco, like ephedra ?

>
>Tobacco is not in law seen as a medicinal product, nor is it sold as a
>medicinal product, so it comes under different legislation. It doesn't
>have to make sense. It's the law.
>
>Peter Moran
>


It is why FDA is a seperate entitity from ATF and DEA
 
On 30 Dec 2003 10:21:48 -0800, [email protected] (John Galt) wrote:

>Epedra Ban -
>
>Why? If 100 people died from ephedra abuse, and edphedra is being
>banned, why is tobacco not banned? How many have died from tobacco
>abuse? Certainly more than 100!
>
>What is the real reason for ephedra ban? Economics? politics?
>pharmaceutical lobbyists?


It's funny, we've had lots of emails and chats (online and phone) with
lawyers, users, manufacturers, investors all afternoon and evening
about the ephedra ban.

The example of tobacco and many other herbal supplements as well as
alcohol was brought up many a time.

There's no single answer, but you can be sure there was a LOT of legal
pressure from lobbyists, law firms and the like. Also, since it is
*not* a pharmaceutical, the companies making these ephedra based
products do not necessarily have the clout of a big drug maker... ($
for lawyers).

Keep in mind that the Steve Bechler lawsuit is for US$600M...

Bob

www.ephedra.biz
 
In article <[email protected]>,
John Galt <[email protected]> wrote:
>Okay....
>
>But, back to my point....
>
>tobacco has killed many more than ephedra, there have also been many
>huge lawsuits relating to damages that tobacco has inflicted.
>
>Why not ban tobacco, like ephedra ?
>
>I personally don't care if epedra is banned...I'm just curious what
>the logic and reasoning of all this is.


As others have mentioned, tobacco is not claiming to be some sort of
medication.

On a more pragmatic note, we also have a *lot* of tobacco farmers in
the USA, most of them concentrated in states whose legislators are
well aware of the amount of revenue, and the amount of employment,
involved.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:08:43 -0500, ephedra.biz <[email protected]> wrote:

>The example of tobacco and many other herbal supplements as well as
>alcohol was brought up many a time.


ATF is separate and distinct from FDA.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Make ready for the 'titanic' deluge of spurious supplement
manufacturers sinking into the abyss of "Davey Jones' Locker".

It's about freakin' time.

WB
 
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:00:37 GMT, WB <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:08:43 -0500, ephedra.biz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The example of tobacco and many other herbal supplements as well as
>>alcohol was brought up many a time.

>
>ATF is separate and distinct from FDA.


I agree, yet...

I think the argument is about whether so-called "herbal" products are
truly different from tobacco.

>
>This is just the tip of the iceberg.
>Make ready for the 'titanic' deluge of spurious supplement
>manufacturers sinking into the abyss of "Davey Jones' Locker".
>
>It's about freakin' time.


Yes, there are *way* too many overzealous herbal operations out there.

Bob

www.ephedra.biz
 
"ephedra.biz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:00:37 GMT, WB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:08:43 -0500, ephedra.biz

<[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>The example of tobacco and many other herbal supplements as well as
> >>alcohol was brought up many a time.

> >
> >ATF is separate and distinct from FDA.

>
> I agree, yet...
>
> I think the argument is about whether so-called "herbal" products are
> truly different from tobacco.


In today's marketplace, the marketing sure is. No one beleives that tobacco
is safe. Herbs/supplements are promoted as safe.

>
> >
> >This is just the tip of the iceberg.
> >Make ready for the 'titanic' deluge of spurious supplement
> >manufacturers sinking into the abyss of "Davey Jones' Locker".
> >
> >It's about freakin' time.

>
> Yes, there are *way* too many overzealous herbal operations out there.


and supplement manufacturers, MLM salescreeps, et al