Elimination diet HELP!!!

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Doug Kanter said:

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Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
information.

Well, if you wanted to confirm this theory, who would you ask?

Well, for starters:

The Illuminati
International Citrus Cartel
Ernst Stavros Blofeld

I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?

Doug Kanter said:

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Yes, I am sure that they are a reliable source of truthful and unbiased
information.

Well, if you wanted to confirm this theory, who would you ask?

Well, for starters:

The Illuminati
International Citrus Cartel
Ernst Stavros Blofeld

Staycalm said:

I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will be
on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this when
there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and don't
want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just have
to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.

CAN EAT:
fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken fish,
bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
olive oil, ghee

CAN'T EAT:
dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye, oats,
wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings, additives,
preservatives

Fried rice (not fried in peanut oil) with rice, meat, scallions, bean
sprouts, and some creative seasoning to get around the soy sauce if
that isn't permitted.

Which list are potatoes on? The main things I eliminated when my
allergist did a similar diet with me were tomatoes and potatoes. I've
got a nasty sensitivity to potatoes, as it turns out.

That's all I can think of, right offhand. I'll get back to you if I
have more ideas.

Carol
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they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

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Staycalm said:

I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
be
on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
when
there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and
don't
want to make two meals every night but this diet is very restrictive. I
suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them and they just
have
to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve salad.

CAN EAT:
fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
fish,
bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices, balsamic,
olive oil, ghee

CAN'T EAT:
dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye,
oats,
wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings,
additives,
preservatives

Fried rice (not fried in peanut oil) with rice, meat, scallions, bean
sprouts, and some creative seasoning to get around the soy sauce if
that isn't permitted.

Which list are potatoes on? The main things I eliminated when my
allergist did a similar diet with me were tomatoes and potatoes. I've
got a nasty sensitivity to potatoes, as it turns out.

That's all I can think of, right offhand. I'll get back to you if I
have more ideas.

Thanks Carol. I am too habituated eating my regular stuff. Guess I'm about
to move outside my comfort zone! lol
Potatoes are on the can eat list. I don't actually show a lot of intolerance
symptoms apart from some IBS but that tends to flare with caffeine and
stress.

Liz

Doug Kanter said:

I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?

What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?

Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry? As the third
most heavily viewed Internet newsgroup [*], it should
hardly be surprising that industry would send their
PR flacks to "handle" rec.food.cooking. Or something
like that. Hope this helps! :-)

* [After alt.religion.scientology and rec.pets.cats. ;-]

Seems like it should be pretty easy. Just no creamy sauces, or soy sauce
with your spring rolls. 🙂 You can buy gluten free flour and breads, etc.
if you need a carb fix. What sort of food do you like and maybe people can
be more helpful?

Casseroles/slow cooked stuff would be an easy option for freezing, you can
buy gluten free stock and you're only limited by your imagination(and diet)
then. You can go indian, french, etc. with the spices/veges to maintain
variety. Roast veges with different spices; char grill 'em with different
marinades. Grilled fish with spices, crusts. Roast chicken with herbs,
lemon. BBQ Steak with mushies, onions, asparagus etc., etc..

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Quoted message said:

I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and will
be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed to do this
when there is a husband and young child in the family? I work fulltime and
don't want to make two meals every night but this diet is very
restrictive. I suppose I could do a lot of cooking and freezing for them
and they just have to reheat. I can at least cook steam veg or serve
salad.

CAN EAT:
fruit (except orange), vegetables (except tomato), rice, meat, chicken
fish, bean/legumes, nuts, veg juices, herbal teas, all salts & spices,
balsamic, olive oil, ghee

CAN'T EAT:
dairy of any sort, egg, soy, processed meats, no gluten (barley, rye,
oats, wheat), peanuts, caffeine, sugar, yeast, artificial flavourings,
additives, preservatives

There's a lot more in both categories but that's the gist. I know I could
eat grilled meat and salad for two weeks or veg/bean soup but I hate
repetitive foods. Anyone got any quick and easy food ideas that cover my
requirements? Breakfast is particularly difficult for me - any ideas? I
often have to eat breakfast when I get to work so my options are limited.

Staycalm said:

Potatoes are on the can eat list. I don't actually
show a lot of intolerance symptoms apart from some IBS
but that tends to flare with caffeine and stress.

Here's an interesting possibility.

Infect Immun 2002 Nov;70(11):5931-7
Intestinal nematode infection ameliorates experimental
colitis in mice.
Khan WI, Blennerhasset PA, Varghese AK, Chowdhury
SK, Omsted P, Deng Y, Collins SM.
Intestinal Disease Research Program, McMaster
University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

Epidemiological studies suggest that inflammatory
bowel disease (IBD) is common in developed
countries and rare in countries where intestinal
nematode infections are common. T cells are
critical in many immune responses, including those
associated with IBD and nematode infection.
Among the distinct T helper (Th) cell subsets,
Th1-type immune response is predominantly
associated with Crohn's disease, while many
nematode infections generate a strong Th2
response. The reciprocal cross regulation between
Th1 and Th2 cells suggests that generation of
a Th2 response by nematodes could prevent or
reduce the effects of Th1-mediated diseases. In
the present study, we investigated the effect of
polarizing the immune response toward the Th2
type, using intestinal nematode infection, on
subsequent experimental colitis. Mice were infected
with the intestinal nematode Trichinella spiralis
and allowed to recover before colitis was induced
with dinitrobenzene sulfonic acid. The mice were
sacrificed postcolitis to assess colonic damage
macroscopically, histologically, and by myeloperoxidase
(MPO) activity and Th cytokines. Prior
nematode infection reduced the severity of colitis
both macroscopically and histologically together
with a decreased mortality and was correlated
with a down-regulation of MPO activity, Th1-type
cytokine expression in colonic tissue, and
emergence of a Th2-type immune response. These
results indicate a protective role of nematode
infection in Th1 cell-driven inflammation and
prompt consideration of a novel therapeutic
strategy in IBD based on immunological distraction.

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Doug Kanter said:

I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?

What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?

Quoted message said:

Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry? As the third
most heavily viewed Internet newsgroup [*], it should
hardly be surprising that industry would send their
PR flacks to "handle" rec.food.cooking. Or something
like that. Hope this helps! :-)

* [After alt.religion.scientology and rec.pets.cats. ;-]

When you're finished with kidding and prepared to be serious, we can
continue.

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Where do you get non-dairy ghee?

Ghee is clarified butter, where all the "dairy" (proteins etc) has
effectively been cooked out of it. That's the theory anyway, so maybe that's
why it passes the elimination test.

In article said:

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Doug Kanter said:

I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?

What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?

Quoted message said:

Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry?

[snip]

Quoted message said:

When you're finished with kidding and prepared to be serious, we can
continue.

I had a quick squiz at that page. I saw nothing that talked of using
molds for *processing*. There is stuff about possible contamination
by pathogenic microorganisms etc. and protocols for control.

Perhaps you could quote the section you are referring to when you say
that this tome has settled the question?

I might add that one reason I don't like most (all?) processed orange
juice is that there's often a hint of fermentation in the flavour.
I've assumed this is because they use "reject" fruit (i.e. not good
enough for the fresh fruit market) which will almost always contain at
least some traces of fermenting fruit. But I could be wrong.

Cheers, Phred.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Doug Kanter"

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"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
> I think we settled this question earlier. Did you see the link?

What, that big enormous FDA web page? I looked at that
for a while, and did not find anything pro or con with
regard to the veracity of the "mold processing" juice
extraction story. Is there anything like that in there?

Quoted message said:

Or is this just a smokescreen created by an apologist
for the juice/sugar/supermarket industry?

[snip]

Quoted message said:

When you're finished with kidding and prepared to be serious, we can
continue.

I had a quick squiz at that page. I saw nothing that talked of using
molds for *processing*. There is stuff about possible contamination
by pathogenic microorganisms etc. and protocols for control.

Perhaps you could quote the section you are referring to when you say
that this tome has settled the question?

I think we've reached the point of using common sense. No need to prove
anything. Someone *could* come along and say "Well, we intentionally
encourage mold growth for blue cheese, so why not orange juice?", but that
would be a silly comparison. The link I provided was one of many which
indicated the obvious: Mold is a contaminant in fruit products, not an ally
in production.

Quoted message said:

I might add that one reason I don't like most (all?) processed orange
juice is that there's often a hint of fermentation in the flavour.
I've assumed this is because they use "reject" fruit (i.e. not good
enough for the fresh fruit market) which will almost always contain at
least some traces of fermenting fruit. But I could be wrong.

Cheers, Phred.

The fresh orange market has gradually shifted to California and Texas, for
reasons I'm not clear about. It could be as simple as the dominance of the
juice orange industry in Florida. Obviously, you can still get "eating
oranges" from Florida, but it's less common in stores than it used to be,
and in some cases, it's become almost a boutique product.

<delurking>

Hey Liz,

You might also want to pose this question in AM, I know there are
several people there who have food allergies and/or children with food
allergies. They might have some useful ideas for you.

Have you thought about thinking out menus where you add any forbidden
ingredients *after* taking out your own portion? I.e. cooking one meal
for all, but without putting the rest of the family on the same
restrictions.

IIRC there's a site where you can fill out the ingredients you want to
use (or in your case you *can* use) and it will come with recipes. I'm
afraid I don't have that link, perhaps someone here does, otherwise
surely someone in AM.

Good luck with the elimination process!

</delurking>
--
Mo

Staycalm said:

I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?

<snipped cross-posting>

Someone will surely call me a [censored] for saying so, but is there *any* reason
your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're dealing
with this?

Jill

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Staycalm said:

I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?

<snipped cross-posting>

Someone will surely call me a [censored] for saying so, but is there *any*
reason
your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're dealing
with this?

Jill

I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a curmudgeon
around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break. Since you've opened
this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man who can't rock a woman's
world by cooking outrageous meals is a complete puss-wad, and should be
pantsed and thrown in the street during a lightning storm, with a long piece
of copper wire tied to his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out
when changes in the household require him to pitch in appropriately.

Doug Kanter said:

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Quoted message said:

Staycalm said:

I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?

<snipped cross-posting>

Someone will surely call me a [censored] for saying so, but is there *any*
reason
your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
dealing with this?

Jill

I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
the household require him to pitch in appropriately.

Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL

One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his wife
is dealing with health issues.

Jill

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Doug Kanter said:

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Staycalm wrote:
> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
> will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
> to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?

<snipped cross-posting>

Someone will surely call me a [censored] for saying so, but is there *any*
reason
your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
dealing with this?

Jill

I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
the household require him to pitch in appropriately.

Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL

One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his
wife
is dealing with health issues.

Jill

Hey....I knew guys in college who'd frequent sororities because they could
get their laundry done there.

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Doug Kanter said:

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Staycalm wrote:
> I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
> will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
> to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?

<snipped cross-posting>

Someone will surely call me a [censored] for saying so, but is there *any*
reason
your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
dealing with this?

Jill

I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
the household require him to pitch in appropriately.

Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL

One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his
wife
is dealing with health issues.

Jill

To give him his full and wonderful due he is an extremely supportive
person - he cleans, does the laundry, the dishes, childminding regularly and
he's fully behind helping me do whatever I have to get a diagnosis and/or
improved health. However he's the first to acknowledge that he is somewhat
limited in the kitchen. He lived for 10 years on his own and I think cooked
the same meal or two for all of that time. For some reason I cannot get him
to use a recipe book - so if it has "instructions" on the can/ jar/ packet
then he'll cook it but that's about it. If he had to be the one cooking for
two weeks then I imagine they'll be eating microwave meals or tuna and
noodles for dinner :-)

Liz

Staycalm said:

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Doug Kanter said:

"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>Staycalm wrote:
>
>
>>I'm being tested for allergies and other gastrointestinal issues and
>>will be on an elimination diet for 2 weeks. Has anyone else managed
>>to do this when there is a husband and young child in the family?
>>
>>
><snipped cross-posting>
>
>Someone will surely call me a [censored] for saying so, but is there *any*
>reason
>your husband can't cook for himself and for the child while you're
>dealing with this?
>
>Jill
>
>
>
I was going to ask the same question, but I've been enough of a
curmudgeon around here for about 2 weeks, and I was taking a break.
Since you've opened this can of worms, though, I'll chime in. Any man
who can't rock a woman's world by cooking outrageous meals is a
complete puss-wad, and should be pantsed and thrown in the street
during a lightning storm, with a long piece of copper wire tied to
his pecker. It's even worse if he can't figure out when changes in
the household require him to pitch in appropriately.

Okay, that's a bit harsh LOL

One has to wonder how he survived before he had a wife. Probably had his
mommy cooking for him. Two weeks isn't a terribly long time to fend for
oneself or to (god forfend!) provide food for the child, too! while his
wife
is dealing with health issues.

Jill

To give him his full and wonderful due he is an extremely supportive
person - he cleans, does the laundry, the dishes, childminding regularly and
he's fully behind helping me do whatever I have to get a diagnosis and/or
improved health. However he's the first to acknowledge that he is somewhat
limited in the kitchen. He lived for 10 years on his own and I think cooked
the same meal or two for all of that time. For some reason I cannot get him
to use a recipe book - so if it has "instructions" on the can/ jar/ packet
then he'll cook it but that's about it. If he had to be the one cooking for
two weeks then I imagine they'll be eating microwave meals or tuna and
noodles for dinner :-)

Liz

I think some posters were, with the best of intentions, being a bit hard
on the poor guy. Some people, including my equally supportive husband,
just are not cooks, like some people are not gardeners. I get all the
assistance I need in the kitchen, provided I specify very clearly what
needs doing, but leave him alone with a recipe and he just doesn't have
the attack skills. Once a week he cooks dinner, which is to say he heats
up Latina Pasta (vacuum packed stuff) and sauce!

The awful thing is when somebody, invariably female, who doesn't get it
with cooking (like my MIL who has obviously passed on the genes or lack
of them) is forced to do the cooking because of social expectations. How
many families, even in this day and age, suffer because Mum feels that
the cooking is *her* job even though she's no good at it and Dad might
very well have more ability if he was willing - or allowed - to try?

Christine

Old Mother Ashby said:

The awful thing is when somebody, invariably female, who doesn't get it
with cooking (like my MIL who has obviously passed on the genes or lack
of them) is forced to do the cooking because of social expectations. How
many families, even in this day and age, suffer because Mum feels that
the cooking is *her* job even though she's no good at it and Dad might
very well have more ability if he was willing - or allowed - to try?

Ooooh, that was my grandparents. He loved eating and cooking, but he
did not cook - I mean (that was the thirties and forties) a man
doesn't cook, right? She hated cooking, and did it all - the results
were between bland and awful. So he got angry at her <sigh>.

Nathalie in Switzerland

Nathalie Chiva said:

Old Mother Ashby said:

The awful thing is when somebody, invariably female, who doesn't get
it with cooking (like my MIL who has obviously passed on the genes
or lack of them) is forced to do the cooking because of social
expectations. How many families, even in this day and age, suffer
because Mum feels that the cooking is *her* job even though she's
no good at it and Dad might very well have more ability if he was
willing - or allowed - to try?

Ooooh, that was my grandparents. He loved eating and cooking, but he
did not cook - I mean (that was the thirties and forties) a man
doesn't cook, right? She hated cooking, and did it all - the results
were between bland and awful. So he got angry at her <sigh>.

Nathalie in Switzerland

My mom didn't know how to cook a thing when she married my father in 1951.
The Betty Crocker cook book was her best friend. She was expected to cook.
She was expected to be the perfect military wife; to host cocktail parties
and luncheons for the military wives. Somehow she managed to do all that.
Fortunately for her, hosting a party for military folks usually included
bourbon or some form of alcoholic punch. LOL

Mom has frequently asked me where I got my "cooking gene". She hates to
cook. I find it soothing.

Jill