Elevation - Google Earth

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Ernest <[email hidden]> wrote:

> For those without GPS. Google Earth http://earth.google.com/ is a new
> free
> map system which allows you to find the elevation of the roads you
> ride.

... but only if you use a virus-compatible operating system.

So it works with a mac os? or unix variants? 'cause, of course, they're
virus-compatible...

Look, let's not wander down this particular troll infested path again.
Yes, viruses for both Linux and MacOS are theoretically possible. No, no
virus for Linux has ever been detected in the wild. Move on; nothing to
see here.

Yes, but it's not a troll. Simply a fact that ALL operating systems are
'virus compatible'.
It is certainly not just 'theoretically possible' - they exist. The fact
that they're not in the wild,
particularly, is all about market dynamics, nothing at all about 'security'.

Don't be so defensive!

Graham

in message <[email hidden]>, Peter

Headland (') said:

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describing the Cotswolds as 'mountains'

As someone who lives (and hikes) where there are real mountains, I
think describing hills like Scafell Pike, Snowdon, and Ben Nevis as
"mountains" is stretching a point when it comes to that. :-)

Oh, I agree completely. We don't (IMHO) have mountains in Britian, which
is why I think the appellation 'mountain bike' is needless hyperbole.

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Martin (') said:

Simon Brooke said:

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David Martin (') said:

Nick Kew wrote:
> Ernest wrote:
> > For those without GPS. Google Earth http://earth.google.com/ is a
> > new free map system which allows you to find the elevation of the
> > roads you ride.
> >
> > I have actually measured some of my routes to find out how hard
> > those hills actually are.
> > I consider 30m a real hill and just over about 100m can nearly
> > finish me off.
>
> yeahwell, if you're in southern or eastern England, you won't have
> anything to practice on. Go on hols somewhere hilly and you'll
> soon be adding an extra 0 to those numbers.

What a load of ToSH[1].

Yes, I have to admit I did rather guffaw at that thread. Not unkindly,
you understand... when visiting relatives in Gloucestershire I once
overheard locals in the pub describing the Cotswolds as 'mountains'.
Well, yes, FSVO; and, likewise, the Surrey Hills.

When did you last ride the North Downs (Surrey/Sussex hills)?

Never. I don't think I've ever even seen them, except on an ordnance
survey map.

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A bit
different to your hills, not as long but much steeper. I used to do a
route that for the middle 20 miles includes 7 climbs with a 1 in 7 or
steeper (some 1 in 5 or 1 in 4) of over 100m elevation gain. Vicious.

I can do 250 metres of ascent in under 1 Km of horizontal travel within
5Km of my front door, admittedly not tarmaced. And yes, I do ride it. I
used to ride over the summit of that particular hill (343 metres, of
which 320 in less than 1.5Km) but that takes more guts and skill than I
have at my age. 100m at 1 in 7? Well yes, OK, if that's all you've got.

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Graham Dean said:

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"D.M. Procida" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Ernest <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> For those without GPS. Google Earth http://earth.google.com/ is a new
>> free
>> map system which allows you to find the elevation of the roads you
>> ride.
>
> ... but only if you use a virus-compatible operating system.

So it works with a mac os? or unix variants? 'cause, of course, they're
virus-compatible...

Look, let's not wander down this particular troll infested path again.
Yes, viruses for both Linux and MacOS are theoretically possible. No, no
virus for Linux has ever been detected in the wild. Move on; nothing to
see here.

Yes, but it's not a troll. Simply a fact that ALL operating systems are
'virus compatible'.
It is certainly not just 'theoretically possible' - they exist. The fact
that they're not in the wild,
particularly, is all about market dynamics, nothing at all about 'security'.

Don't be so defensive!

Graham

Simon's use of the phrase "but only if you use a virus-compatible
operating system" to mean "but only if you use a Microsoft operating
system" (Google Earth minimum config - Windows 2000 or XP) *could*
be considered to be an incident of trolling - in which case you fell
for it and took the bait. Write out one hundred times "I must not
respond to trolls":-)

For what its worth, I don't think Simon was trolling. He just used
some well known geek humor to express his frustration with the single
platform limitation of the application in question.

The discussion of whether Macroshaft really deserves to be the butt
of such jokes is a minefield which is best avoided, paticularly since
it is also clearly off topic in uk.rec.cycling

On the other hand, the Google Earth API is [available][1] so if
they don't release a version for the rest of us someone else will.
I even found some [tips][2] on how to do it:-)

[1]: http://code.google.com/apis.html#earth
[2]: http://the.taoofmac.com/space/blog/2005-08-27

Ian

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> "D.M. Procida" <[email hidden]> wrote
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>> Ernest <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> For those without GPS. Google Earth http://earth.google.com/ is a
>>> new free
>>> map system which allows you to find the elevation of the roads
>>> you ride.
>>
>> ... but only if you use a virus-compatible operating system.
>
> So it works with a mac os? or unix variants? 'cause, of course,
> they're virus-compatible...

Look, let's not wander down this particular troll infested path
again. Yes, viruses for both Linux and MacOS are theoretically
possible. No, no virus for Linux has ever been detected in the wild.
Move on; nothing to see here.

Yes, but it's not a troll. Simply a fact that ALL operating systems
are 'virus compatible'.
It is certainly not just 'theoretically possible' - they exist. The
fact that they're not in the wild,
particularly, is all about market dynamics, nothing at all about
'security'.

Don't be so defensive!

Simon's use of the phrase "but only if you use a virus-compatible
operating system" to mean "but only if you use a Microsoft operating
system" (Google Earth minimum config - Windows 2000 or XP) *could*
be considered to be an incident of trolling - in which case you fell
for it and took the bait. Write out one hundred times "I must not
respond to trolls":-)

Except I didn't - anywhere - use that phrase. Get your attributions
right.

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Simon Brooke said:

Oh, I agree completely. We don't (IMHO) have mountains in Britian, which
is why I think the appellation 'mountain bike' is needless hyperbole.

So what do you think the differences in the design specs should be
between a bike designed for riding offroad up/down an average 10%
gradient 3000' hill, and one designed for riding offroad up/down an
average 10% gradient 15,000' mountain? :-)

R.

Richard said:

Simon Brooke said:

Oh, I agree completely. We don't (IMHO) have mountains in Britian, which
is why I think the appellation 'mountain bike' is needless hyperbole.

So what do you think the differences in the design specs should be
between a bike designed for riding offroad up/down an average 10%
gradient 3000' hill, and one designed for riding offroad up/down an
average 10% gradient 15,000' mountain? :-)

Winter or summer?

...d

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Simon's use of the phrase "but only if you use a virus-compatible
operating system" to mean "but only if you use a Microsoft operating
system" (Google Earth minimum config - Windows 2000 or XP) *could*
be considered to be an incident of trolling - in which case you fell
for it and took the bait. Write out one hundred times "I must not
respond to trolls":-)

Except I didn't - anywhere - use that phrase. Get your attributions
right.

That's true, but I bet you thought it.

Daniele
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Market Road
Cardiff CF5 1QE

D.M. Procida said:

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Simon's use of the phrase "but only if you use a virus-compatible
operating system" to mean "but only if you use a Microsoft operating
system" (Google Earth minimum config - Windows 2000 or XP) *could*
be considered to be an incident of trolling - in which case you fell
for it and took the bait. Write out one hundred times "I must not
respond to trolls":-)

Except I didn't - anywhere - use that phrase. Get your attributions
right.

That's true, but I bet you thought it.

As a KNode (and presumably Linux) user he may have thought
it but I appolgise for not attibuting it correctly to you.

Does MacSOUP/2.7 use that quoting convention (inserting a
space between the '>' characters) by default? IMHO it is
confusing and it has the disadvantage of causing potential
line-wrap problems to occur earlier in a thread than they
otherwise would.

Ian

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Graham Dean said:

Yes, but it's not a troll. Simply a fact that ALL operating
systems are 'virus compatible'.
It is certainly not just 'theoretically possible' - they exist.
The fact that they're not in the wild, particularly, is all about
market dynamics, nothing at all about 'security'.

Any examples of an OS/400 virus? I believe it is theroetically possible
to create one, especially since the AS/400 moved from a CISC to a RISC
processor which allows an MI programmer to counterfeit a space pointer,
but it would certainly be non-trivial. I've certainly not heard of a
single example in the wild although the integrated file system can of
course carry viruses that affect lesser operating systems.

--
Dave...

Nick Kew said:

Ernest said:

For those without GPS. Google Earth http://earth.google.com/ is a new free
map system which allows you to find the elevation of the roads you ride.

I have actually measured some of my routes to find out how hard those hills
actually are.
I consider 30m a real hill and just over about 100m can nearly finish me
off.

yeahwell, if you're in southern or eastern England, you won't have
anything to practice on. Go on hols somewhere hilly and you'll soon
be adding an extra 0 to those numbers.

Some years ago I completed the Raid Pyreenean - without a support
vehicle and carrying full camping gear. At no point did I have to get
off and push.

On my aborted Le Jog attempt two years later, with a similar load, I
was forced to get off and push up a hill on Exmoor.

Conclusion: Col Bagargui might be a real bagargui of a hill, and Col
de Burdincurutcheta a cause a burdin' sensation in your curutcheta -
but for a real challenge a good hill of Southern England takes a lot
of beating.

Bertie Wiggins wrote:
ced to get off and push up a hill on Exmoor.

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Conclusion: Col Bagargui might be a real bagargui of a hill, and Col
de Burdincurutcheta a cause a burdin' sensation in your curutcheta -
but for a real challenge a good hill of Southern England takes a lot
of beating.

North coast of Devon anyone? That should remove the delusion that thare
aren't any 'real hills' in the south.

...d

Ian Gregory said:

As a KNode (and presumably Linux) user

I hope that's not supposed to be an inference?

KNode is part of KDE. Linux is one of many operating
systems on which KDE is available as a standard option.

--
Not me guv

Nick Kew said:

Ian Gregory said:

As a KNode (and presumably Linux) user

I hope that's not supposed to be an inference?

KNode is part of KDE. Linux is one of many operating
systems on which KDE is available as a standard option.

Covering well over 99% of users, I guess. Although KDE on cygwin is a
minority interest sport.

--
Ambrose

In article said:

Ian Gregory said:

As a KNode (and presumably Linux) user

I hope that's not supposed to be an inference?

That's OK then because it is not - it is a presumption,
and a fairly safe one at that.

Ian

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Ambrose Nankivell said:

Nick Kew said:

Ian Gregory said:

As a KNode (and presumably Linux) user

I hope that's not supposed to be an inference?

KNode is part of KDE. Linux is one of many operating
systems on which KDE is available as a standard option.

Covering well over 99% of users, I guess.

Why? Linux users have a wide choice of desktops - more so
than anyone else.

My own first encounter with KDE was on FreeBSD, where the
choice was more limited and KDE was one that happened to
work 'out of the box'. Apart from Linux and the various BSDs,
I believe it's also quite popular on Solaris and some of
the minority platforms these days.

--
Nick Kew

David Martin said:

Bertie Wiggins wrote:
ced to get off and push up a hill on Exmoor.

Quoted message said:

Conclusion: Col Bagargui might be a real bagargui of a hill, and Col
de Burdincurutcheta a cause a burdin' sensation in your curutcheta -
but for a real challenge a good hill of Southern England takes a lot
of beating.

North coast of Devon anyone? That should remove the delusion that thare
aren't any 'real hills' in the south.

Yeah, but Devon is on the northwest side of that line - sometimes
described as Bristol[1] to the Wash - that divides the flat from
the hilly (and the stinkin'rich from the rest).

I can cycle out from my front door and up to 450m on-road in just
a few miles, or higher offroad if I take a half day out. That's
pretty high for England.

[1] Southwest England is evidently too insignificant to merit notice.+

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Nick Kew

Nick Kew said:

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Nick Kew said:

Ian Gregory wrote:

> As a KNode (and presumably Linux) user

I hope that's not supposed to be an inference?

KNode is part of KDE. Linux is one of many operating
systems on which KDE is available as a standard option.

Covering well over 99% of users, I guess.

Why? Linux users have a wide choice of desktops - more so
than anyone else.

My own first encounter with KDE was on FreeBSD, where the
choice was more limited and KDE was one that happened to
work 'out of the box'. Apart from Linux and the various BSDs,
I believe it's also quite popular on Solaris and some of
the minority platforms these days.

Sorry, I meant that given KDE's ported to cygwin and fink, then well over
99% of computer users have it available as a standard option, FSVO standard.
--
Ambrose

in message <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew

(') said:

Ian Gregory said:

As a KNode (and presumably Linux) user

I hope that's not supposed to be an inference?

KNode is part of KDE. Linux is one of many operating
systems on which KDE is available as a standard option.

My operating system, as such, is Debian. My particular Debian
installation does, however, use a Linux kernel, and, indeed, while it is
possible to run Debian with a BSD or HURD kernel, hardly anyone actually
does. So his inference is more or less correct.

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Simon Brooke said:

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<[email hidden]>, Peter

Headland (') said:

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describing the Cotswolds as 'mountains'

As someone who lives (and hikes) where there are real
mountains, I think describing hills like Scafell Pike,
Snowdon, and Ben Nevis as "mountains" is stretching a point
when it comes to that. :-)

Oh, I agree completely. We don't (IMHO) have mountains in
Britian, which is why I think the appellation 'mountain bike'
is needless hyperbole.

What makes a pile of geology a mountain and not a hill?

I knew a girl from Colorado[1] who told me, after she had toured
Scotland, that she was surprised how big the mountains were. I told
her it was just that her mountains started higher up.
--
the.Mark

[1] She was in Edinburgh doing a course in parks and recreation. That
sounds like a fun subject.