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  1. Seems erythrocytosis .. too many red blood cells .. and polycythemia .. are ..
    the same ..

    The marker used to assess polycythemia {too many red blood cells] is set by ..
    cost.

    The higher the marker {red blood cells] to eliminate 'false positives' ..

    So .. do YOU have the iron levels of a pre-menopausal woman?

    You know that .. anemic .. one .. ?

    THAT is the level research has shown to be the healthiest.

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Thus, although individuals
    at high risk for ASCVD are not Fe-overloaded, they seem to benefit,
    metabolically and hemodynamically, from lowering of body Fe to levels commonly
    seen in premenopausal females.

    PMID: 12079862
    --------------------------------------------------------

    Chest 1990 Nov;98(5):1073-7

    Exercise performance of polycythemic chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
    patients. Effect of phlebotomies.

    Chetty KG, Light RW, Stansbury DW, Milne N

    Department of Medicine, VA Medical Center, Long Beach, CA 90822.

    The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of phlebotomy
    on the exercise tolerance and right and left ventricular ejection
    fraction of polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary
    disease. Ten patients with COPD (mean FEV1 = 1.32 +/- 0.55 L) and
    polycythemia (mean Hct = 62 +/- 3 percent) were studied before and
    after their hematocrits had been reduced to approximately 50 percent.
    Post-phlebotomy the maximal oxygen consumption increased from 1.09 +/-
    0.34 L/min to 1.26 +/- 0.43 L/min (p less than 0.05) and the maximum
    workload increased from 56.5 +/- 32.6 watts to 74.5 +/- 23.4 watts (p
    less than 0.05). The increase in the exercise tolerance appeared to be
    primarily due to an increased cardiac output at Emax. There was no
    relationship between the increases in the upright exercise capacity
    and changes in the supine ejection fractions of the right or left
    ventricular either at rest or during exercise.

    PMID: 2225946, UI: 91030710
    _________________________________________________________________

    Int J Cardiol 1994 Apr;44(2):175-7

    Effects of phlebotomy on a patient with secondary polycythemia and angina
    pectoris.

    Piccirillo G, Fimognari FL, Valdivia JL, Marigliano V

    Cattedra di Geriatria e Gerontologia Universita, La Sapienza, Rome,
    Italy.

    A 67-year-old man with polycythemia, secondary to chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease, had angina attacks at rest treated successfully by
    supplementing conventional therapy with frequent phlebotomies.
    Although phlebotomy reduces arterial oxygen content, it also decreases
    blood viscosity, improves peripheral oxygen consumption and thus
    yields the clinical benefit.

    PMID: 8045664, UI: 94321077
    _________________________________________________________________

    Respiration 1979;38(6):305-13

    Phlebotomy improves pulmonary gas exchange in chronic mountain polycythemia.

    Cruz JC, Diaz C, Marticorena E, Hilario V

    There is not unanimous agreement in the literature regarding the
    effects of bleeding on pulmonary gas exchange in polycythemic
    patients. Spirometry, alveolar arterial O2 and CO2 tension
    differences, PaO2 breathing 100% oxygen and carbon monoxide-diffusing
    capacity were measured before and after 1 week of chronic phlebotomy
    in 4 chronic mountain polycythemic patients. Studies were carried out
    at 3,700 m above sea level (PB = 491 mm Hg). Before phlebotomy, 2
    patients showed abnormal spirometry and gas exchange. Only 1 patient
    had high PaCO2 and all of them showed low values of PaO2 breathing
    oxygen. Phlebotomy improved both spirometry and gas exchange.
    Improvement in arterial oxygen saturation and PaO2 could not be
    attributed to changes in alveolar ventilation, but rather to better
    distribution of VA/Qc ratios since physiological dead space decreased.
    Our results are similar to those reported in polycythemia vera
    patients. A significant correlation between the changes in PaO2 with
    phlebotomy and the control PaO2 have been found from 45 polycythemic
    patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease collected from the
    literature. It is concluded that excessive polycythemia worsened
    hypoxemia and that phlebotomy improved gas exchange.

    PMID: 538338, UI: 80146854
    _________________________________________________________________

    Am J Med 1983 Mar;74(3):415-20

    Improved exercise tolerance of the polycythemic lung patient following
    phlebotomy.

    Chetty KG, Brown SE, Light RW

    The present study evaluated the effects of therapeutic phlebotomy on
    the exercise tolerance and the maximal carbon dioxide output of
    polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
    Fifteen maximal exercise studies were performed before and after
    phlebotomy in patients with moderate to severe chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease (mean forced expiratory volume in one second [FEV1]=
    970 ml). After phlebotomy there were no significant differences in
    pulmonary function, blood gases, oxygen consumption, or carbon dioxide
    production at rest. However, after phlebotomy there was a significant
    increase in the exercise tolerance of the patients. The mean workload,
    the duration of exercise, the maximal oxygen consumption, the maximal
    carbon dioxide production, and the ventilation at maximal exercise all
    increased significantly. The improved exercise tolerance after
    phlebotomy appeared due to an increased cardiac output generated
    mainly through an increased stroke volume. We hypothesize that the
    increased stroke volume was due to a higher ejection fraction of the
    right ventricle secondary to a lower pulmonary artery pressure. This
    study provides further evidence that patients with chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease who have polycythemia benefit by therapeutic
    interventions that maintain their hematocrits below 55 percent.

    PMID: 6402930, UI: 83149913
    _________________________________________________________________

    Surgery 1980 Nov;88(5):686-92

    Increased oxygen uptake following phlebotomy and simultaneous fluid replacement
    in polycythemic patients.

    Shah DM, Powers SR Jr, Bernard HR, Scovill WA, Newell JC, Stratton HH

    To study the isolated effects of decreased hemoglobin concentration
    without volume loss, eight patients with the diagnosis of polycythemia
    were studied following acute phlebotomy and simultaneous volume
    replacement. These patients had been treated previously by repeated
    phlebotomy, without volume replacement, to a hemoglobin level of 14.8
    +/- 0.5 gm%. Following hemodilution by additional phlebotomy and
    volume replacement, which further lowered the mean hemoglobin level to
    11.4 +/- 0.4 gm%, cardiac index increased significantly from 2.8 +/-
    0.3 to 3.5 +/- 0. 3 liter/min/m(2) (P<0.05), oxygen delivery did not
    change, but total body oxygen consumption increased significantly from
    140 +/- 16 to 180 +/- 15 ml/min/m(2) (P<0.05). Mixed venous PO2,
    systemic and pulmonary vascular resistance decreased significantly
    (P<0.05). Vascular pressure, heart rate, intrapulmonary shunt,
    arterial pH and bicarbonate, limb blood flow, limb oxygen delivery and
    limb oxygen consumption did not change. Thus, with phlebotomy and
    fluid replacement, a reduction of hemoglobin concentration to a
    subnormal level increased oxygen consumption without lowering oxygen
    delivery.

    PMID: 7434209, UI: 81056744
    _________________________________________________________________

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

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  2. Please pardon my ignorance, but exactly what is "phlebotomy"?
    TIA for your help.
    Wanda
    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seems erythrocytosis .. too many red blood cells .. and polycythemia ..


    are ..

    Quoted message said:

    the same ..

    The marker used to assess polycythemia {too many red blood cells] is set


    by ..

    Quoted message said:

    cost.

    The higher the marker {red blood cells] to eliminate 'false positives' ..

    So .. do YOU have the iron levels of a pre-menopausal woman?

    You know that .. anemic .. one .. ?

    THAT is the level research has shown to be the healthiest.

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Thus, although individuals
    at high risk for ASCVD are not Fe-overloaded, they seem to benefit,
    metabolically and hemodynamically, from lowering of body Fe to levels


    commonly

    Quoted message said:

    seen in premenopausal females.

    PMID: 12079862
    --------------------------------------------------------

    Chest 1990 Nov;98(5):1073-7

    Exercise performance of polycythemic chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
    patients. Effect of phlebotomies.

    Chetty KG, Light RW, Stansbury DW, Milne N

    Department of Medicine, VA Medical Center, Long Beach, CA 90822.

    The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of phlebotomy
    on the exercise tolerance and right and left ventricular ejection
    fraction of polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary
    disease. Ten patients with COPD (mean FEV1 = 1.32 +/- 0.55 L) and
    polycythemia (mean Hct = 62 +/- 3 percent) were studied before and
    after their hematocrits had been reduced to approximately 50 percent.
    Post-phlebotomy the maximal oxygen consumption increased from 1.09 +/-
    0.34 L/min to 1.26 +/- 0.43 L/min (p less than 0.05) and the maximum
    workload increased from 56.5 +/- 32.6 watts to 74.5 +/- 23.4 watts (p
    less than 0.05). The increase in the exercise tolerance appeared to be
    primarily due to an increased cardiac output at Emax. There was no
    relationship between the increases in the upright exercise capacity
    and changes in the supine ejection fractions of the right or left
    ventricular either at rest or during exercise.

    PMID: 2225946, UI: 91030710
    _________________________________________________________________

    Int J Cardiol 1994 Apr;44(2):175-7

    Effects of phlebotomy on a patient with secondary polycythemia and angina
    pectoris.

    Piccirillo G, Fimognari FL, Valdivia JL, Marigliano V

    Cattedra di Geriatria e Gerontologia Universita, La Sapienza, Rome,
    Italy.

    A 67-year-old man with polycythemia, secondary to chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease, had angina attacks at rest treated successfully by
    supplementing conventional therapy with frequent phlebotomies.
    Although phlebotomy reduces arterial oxygen content, it also decreases
    blood viscosity, improves peripheral oxygen consumption and thus
    yields the clinical benefit.

    PMID: 8045664, UI: 94321077
    _________________________________________________________________

    Respiration 1979;38(6):305-13

    Phlebotomy improves pulmonary gas exchange in chronic mountain


    polycythemia.

    Quoted message said:


    Cruz JC, Diaz C, Marticorena E, Hilario V

    There is not unanimous agreement in the literature regarding the
    effects of bleeding on pulmonary gas exchange in polycythemic
    patients. Spirometry, alveolar arterial O2 and CO2 tension
    differences, PaO2 breathing 100% oxygen and carbon monoxide-diffusing
    capacity were measured before and after 1 week of chronic phlebotomy
    in 4 chronic mountain polycythemic patients. Studies were carried out
    at 3,700 m above sea level (PB = 491 mm Hg). Before phlebotomy, 2
    patients showed abnormal spirometry and gas exchange. Only 1 patient
    had high PaCO2 and all of them showed low values of PaO2 breathing
    oxygen. Phlebotomy improved both spirometry and gas exchange.
    Improvement in arterial oxygen saturation and PaO2 could not be
    attributed to changes in alveolar ventilation, but rather to better
    distribution of VA/Qc ratios since physiological dead space decreased.
    Our results are similar to those reported in polycythemia vera
    patients. A significant correlation between the changes in PaO2 with
    phlebotomy and the control PaO2 have been found from 45 polycythemic
    patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease collected from the
    literature. It is concluded that excessive polycythemia worsened
    hypoxemia and that phlebotomy improved gas exchange.

    PMID: 538338, UI: 80146854
    _________________________________________________________________

    Am J Med 1983 Mar;74(3):415-20

    Improved exercise tolerance of the polycythemic lung patient following
    phlebotomy.

    Chetty KG, Brown SE, Light RW

    The present study evaluated the effects of therapeutic phlebotomy on
    the exercise tolerance and the maximal carbon dioxide output of
    polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
    Fifteen maximal exercise studies were performed before and after
    phlebotomy in patients with moderate to severe chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease (mean forced expiratory volume in one second [FEV1]=
    970 ml). After phlebotomy there were no significant differences in
    pulmonary function, blood gases, oxygen consumption, or carbon dioxide
    production at rest. However, after phlebotomy there was a significant
    increase in the exercise tolerance of the patients. The mean workload,
    the duration of exercise, the maximal oxygen consumption, the maximal
    carbon dioxide production, and the ventilation at maximal exercise all
    increased significantly. The improved exercise tolerance after
    phlebotomy appeared due to an increased cardiac output generated
    mainly through an increased stroke volume. We hypothesize that the
    increased stroke volume was due to a higher ejection fraction of the
    right ventricle secondary to a lower pulmonary artery pressure. This
    study provides further evidence that patients with chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease who have polycythemia benefit by therapeutic
    interventions that maintain their hematocrits below 55 percent.

    PMID: 6402930, UI: 83149913
    _________________________________________________________________

    Surgery 1980 Nov;88(5):686-92

    Increased oxygen uptake following phlebotomy and simultaneous fluid


    replacement

    Quoted message said:

    in polycythemic patients.

    Shah DM, Powers SR Jr, Bernard HR, Scovill WA, Newell JC, Stratton HH

    To study the isolated effects of decreased hemoglobin concentration
    without volume loss, eight patients with the diagnosis of polycythemia
    were studied following acute phlebotomy and simultaneous volume
    replacement. These patients had been treated previously by repeated
    phlebotomy, without volume replacement, to a hemoglobin level of 14.8
    +/- 0.5 gm%. Following hemodilution by additional phlebotomy and
    volume replacement, which further lowered the mean hemoglobin level to
    11.4 +/- 0.4 gm%, cardiac index increased significantly from 2.8 +/-
    0.3 to 3.5 +/- 0. 3 liter/min/m(2) (P<0.05), oxygen delivery did not
    change, but total body oxygen consumption increased significantly from
    140 +/- 16 to 180 +/- 15 ml/min/m(2) (P<0.05). Mixed venous PO2,
    systemic and pulmonary vascular resistance decreased significantly
    (P<0.05). Vascular pressure, heart rate, intrapulmonary shunt,
    arterial pH and bicarbonate, limb blood flow, limb oxygen delivery and
    limb oxygen consumption did not change. Thus, with phlebotomy and
    fluid replacement, a reduction of hemoglobin concentration to a
    subnormal level increased oxygen consumption without lowering oxygen
    delivery.

    PMID: 7434209, UI: 81056744
    _________________________________________________________________

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
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    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING


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    Quoted message said:
  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Effects of phlebotomy
    From: "Wanda Schlatter" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/19/2003 10:40 PM Mountain Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Please pardon my ignorance, but exactly what is "phlebotomy"?
    TIA for your help.
    Wanda

    Bloodletting / blood donation

    Quoted message said:

    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seems erythrocytosis .. too many red blood cells .. and polycythemia ..


    are ..

    Quoted message said:

    the same ..

    The marker used to assess polycythemia {too many red blood cells] is set


    by ..

    Quoted message said:

    cost.

    The higher the marker {red blood cells] to eliminate 'false positives' ..

    So .. do YOU have the iron levels of a pre-menopausal woman?

    You know that .. anemic .. one .. ?

    THAT is the level research has shown to be the healthiest.

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Thus, although individuals
    at high risk for ASCVD are not Fe-overloaded, they seem to benefit,
    metabolically and hemodynamically, from lowering of body Fe to levels


    commonly

    Quoted message said:

    seen in premenopausal females.

    PMID: 12079862
    --------------------------------------------------------

    Chest 1990 Nov;98(5):1073-7

    Exercise performance of polycythemic chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
    patients. Effect of phlebotomies.

    Chetty KG, Light RW, Stansbury DW, Milne N

    Department of Medicine, VA Medical Center, Long Beach, CA 90822.

    The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of phlebotomy
    on the exercise tolerance and right and left ventricular ejection
    fraction of polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary
    disease. Ten patients with COPD (mean FEV1 = 1.32 +/- 0.55 L) and
    polycythemia (mean Hct = 62 +/- 3 percent) were studied before and
    after their hematocrits had been reduced to approximately 50 percent.
    Post-phlebotomy the maximal oxygen consumption increased from 1.09 +/-
    0.34 L/min to 1.26 +/- 0.43 L/min (p less than 0.05) and the maximum
    workload increased from 56.5 +/- 32.6 watts to 74.5 +/- 23.4 watts (p
    less than 0.05). The increase in the exercise tolerance appeared to be
    primarily due to an increased cardiac output at Emax. There was no
    relationship between the increases in the upright exercise capacity
    and changes in the supine ejection fractions of the right or left
    ventricular either at rest or during exercise.

    PMID: 2225946, UI: 91030710
    _________________________________________________________________

    Int J Cardiol 1994 Apr;44(2):175-7

    Effects of phlebotomy on a patient with secondary polycythemia and angina
    pectoris.

    Piccirillo G, Fimognari FL, Valdivia JL, Marigliano V

    Cattedra di Geriatria e Gerontologia Universita, La Sapienza, Rome,
    Italy.

    A 67-year-old man with polycythemia, secondary to chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease, had angina attacks at rest treated successfully by
    supplementing conventional therapy with frequent phlebotomies.
    Although phlebotomy reduces arterial oxygen content, it also decreases
    blood viscosity, improves peripheral oxygen consumption and thus
    yields the clinical benefit.

    PMID: 8045664, UI: 94321077
    _________________________________________________________________

    Respiration 1979;38(6):305-13

    Phlebotomy improves pulmonary gas exchange in chronic mountain


    polycythemia.

    Quoted message said:


    Cruz JC, Diaz C, Marticorena E, Hilario V

    There is not unanimous agreement in the literature regarding the
    effects of bleeding on pulmonary gas exchange in polycythemic
    patients. Spirometry, alveolar arterial O2 and CO2 tension
    differences, PaO2 breathing 100% oxygen and carbon monoxide-diffusing
    capacity were measured before and after 1 week of chronic phlebotomy
    in 4 chronic mountain polycythemic patients. Studies were carried out
    at 3,700 m above sea level (PB = 491 mm Hg). Before phlebotomy, 2
    patients showed abnormal spirometry and gas exchange. Only 1 patient
    had high PaCO2 and all of them showed low values of PaO2 breathing
    oxygen. Phlebotomy improved both spirometry and gas exchange.
    Improvement in arterial oxygen saturation and PaO2 could not be
    attributed to changes in alveolar ventilation, but rather to better
    distribution of VA/Qc ratios since physiological dead space decreased.
    Our results are similar to those reported in polycythemia vera
    patients. A significant correlation between the changes in PaO2 with
    phlebotomy and the control PaO2 have been found from 45 polycythemic
    patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease collected from the
    literature. It is concluded that excessive polycythemia worsened
    hypoxemia and that phlebotomy improved gas exchange.

    PMID: 538338, UI: 80146854
    _________________________________________________________________

    Am J Med 1983 Mar;74(3):415-20

    Improved exercise tolerance of the polycythemic lung patient following
    phlebotomy.

    Chetty KG, Brown SE, Light RW

    The present study evaluated the effects of therapeutic phlebotomy on
    the exercise tolerance and the maximal carbon dioxide output of
    polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
    Fifteen maximal exercise studies were performed before and after
    phlebotomy in patients with moderate to severe chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease (mean forced expiratory volume in one second [FEV1]=
    970 ml). After phlebotomy there were no significant differences in
    pulmonary function, blood gases, oxygen consumption, or carbon dioxide
    production at rest. However, after phlebotomy there was a significant
    increase in the exercise tolerance of the patients. The mean workload,
    the duration of exercise, the maximal oxygen consumption, the maximal
    carbon dioxide production, and the ventilation at maximal exercise all
    increased significantly. The improved exercise tolerance after
    phlebotomy appeared due to an increased cardiac output generated
    mainly through an increased stroke volume. We hypothesize that the
    increased stroke volume was due to a higher ejection fraction of the
    right ventricle secondary to a lower pulmonary artery pressure. This
    study provides further evidence that patients with chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease who have polycythemia benefit by therapeutic
    interventions that maintain their hematocrits below 55 percent.

    PMID: 6402930, UI: 83149913
    _________________________________________________________________

    Surgery 1980 Nov;88(5):686-92

    Increased oxygen uptake following phlebotomy and simultaneous fluid


    replacement

    Quoted message said:

    in polycythemic patients.

    Shah DM, Powers SR Jr, Bernard HR, Scovill WA, Newell JC, Stratton HH

    To study the isolated effects of decreased hemoglobin concentration
    without volume loss, eight patients with the diagnosis of polycythemia
    were studied following acute phlebotomy and simultaneous volume
    replacement. These patients had been treated previously by repeated
    phlebotomy, without volume replacement, to a hemoglobin level of 14.8
    +/- 0.5 gm%. Following hemodilution by additional phlebotomy and
    volume replacement, which further lowered the mean hemoglobin level to
    11.4 +/- 0.4 gm%, cardiac index increased significantly from 2.8 +/-
    0.3 to 3.5 +/- 0. 3 liter/min/m(2) (P<0.05), oxygen delivery did not
    change, but total body oxygen consumption increased significantly from
    140 +/- 16 to 180 +/- 15 ml/min/m(2) (P<0.05). Mixed venous PO2,
    systemic and pulmonary vascular resistance decreased significantly
    (P<0.05). Vascular pressure, heart rate, intrapulmonary shunt,
    arterial pH and bicarbonate, limb blood flow, limb oxygen delivery and
    limb oxygen consumption did not change. Thus, with phlebotomy and
    fluid replacement, a reduction of hemoglobin concentration to a
    subnormal level increased oxygen consumption without lowering oxygen
    delivery.

    PMID: 7434209, UI: 81056744
    _________________________________________________________________

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

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