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  1. What happens when you put a pair of spring loaded chain tensioners on your
    chain, both above and below the chainstay on a fixed gear rig? So that the
    top one would take up the slack during braking and the lower one to suck up
    the extra chain during forward drive.

    Assume that you have a vertical dropout and that you would never have more
    than one link length of slack to contend with. Also assume that you are
    using a "big" ring and cog (52 - 20)to maximize the distance the chain moves
    per unit of tire travel. In my feeble, untrained mind thislooks like a near
    perfect solution save for the problem of slop going from drive to braking.

    I know this sounds crazy, and probably has a fatal flaw but, has anyone here
    ever tried it and lived to tell?

    Dave
    Noblesville Indiana

  2. Dave Reckoning? said:

    What happens when you put a pair of spring loaded chain tensioners
    on your chain, both above and below the chainstay on a fixed gear
    rig? So that the top one would take up the slack during braking and
    the lower one to suck up the extra chain during forward drive.

    Oops! Chain tensioners take up slack in chains up to a certain
    tension, that tension being just enough to keep slop and sag of the
    span to stable limits. Since a fixed gear puts many times that much
    tension in either chain run, a spring loaded tensioner cannot be used
    because it will yield all the slack there is and cause a large
    backlash from pedaling to back-pedaling or even from neutral (no force
    on the pedals). That is why tandems generally don't have such devices
    and use an eccentric BB to adjust chain slack.

    Quoted message said:

    Assume that you have a vertical dropout and that you would never
    have more than one link length of slack to contend with. Also
    assume that you are using a "big" ring and cog (52 - 20)to maximize
    the distance the chain moves per unit of tire travel. In my feeble,
    untrained mind this looks like a near perfect solution save for the
    problem of slop going from drive to braking.

    Quoted message said:

    I know this sounds crazy, and probably has a fatal flaw but, has
    anyone here ever tried it and lived to tell?

    You may be surprised how much sag .99 of a link (one inch) will cause.
    Anyone who has gone that far as trying it got out of there after just
    sitting on the bicycle to test it and didn't talk about it again. Of
    course if you have just the right spacing, you can do it and have no
    tensioner, especially on both runs. I have had a derailleur break
    when a "derailleur stick" flipped up off the road I was on and into
    the chain. I took the derailleur parts off and put them with my patch
    kit etc. and was able to shorten the chain so that the 50-15 and 46-17
    worked with practically no sag. I was lucky since those two gears got
    me home from the far side of the Santa Cruz Mts. (CA).

    Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

  3. Dave Reckoning said:

    What happens when you put a pair of spring loaded chain tensioners on your
    chain, both above and below the chainstay on a fixed gear rig? So that the
    top one would take up the slack during braking and the lower one to suck up
    the extra chain during forward drive.

    Assume that you have a vertical dropout and that you would never have more
    than one link length of slack to contend with. Also assume that you are
    using a "big" ring and cog (52 - 20)to maximize the distance the chain moves
    per unit of tire travel. In my feeble, untrained mind thislooks like a near
    perfect solution save for the problem of slop going from drive to braking.

    This could work, but would introduce considerable lash into the system,
    sufficient to defeat the whole purpose of a fixed gear.

    There are workable solutions to the vertical dropout/fixed gear problem,
    and I explain them at: http://sheldonbrown.com/vertical

    Sheldon "Not Worth It" Brown
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