dogs?

Gregg <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

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as a newbie, just curious to see how some of you
handle the occasional neighborhood dog.

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first time I came across this. To be honest, never
envisioned this being an issue.

thx.

-Gregg

Dogs are dumb and see everything in doggy terms. They have a natural
tendancy to defend their ground and see a person passing on a bike as
just another doggy intruder thats fleeing.I've always found the best
thing to do is stop, look as big and fierce as you can or make freinds
with the dog, and then move off slowly and controlled.
Going faster encourages them as they think they have the upper
hand/paw and as you're distracted and going flat out you're more
likely to wrap yourself around a lamp-post and then get a good
savaging anyway.
For bitey dogs the bike is actually very good to fend them off with ,
as is bending over to look like you're picking up a stone to throw
it.The latter works very well in poorer parts of the world where dogs
seem to be more vicious and are familiar with having things thrown at
them.
Pepper spray and leg breaking would be way overboard for most cases.

cheers

g

"Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Gregg said:

as a newbie, just curious to see how some of you

2. Terriers in general are not the most obedient dogs.

I don't agree. I've had several terriers - including a miniature schnauzer -
who were all very well-trained. It's just a matter of, um, training them.

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Huh?

Matt

Alright, I admit it, sometimes I have a very sick and disturbing sense of
humor.
--
Slacker

D T W .../\... said:

I always stop and pat them. Dogs are good!

Right. All dogs are good, just like all people are good.

I love dogs but nevertheless I can tell you for a fact that there are
villainous canines, just like there are truly nasty human beings.

Kathleen

On 2005-02-24, Raptor penned:

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Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-23, Raptor penned:

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I have heard that in extremis, if you grab a pair (presumably, both front)
of the dog's legs and pull apart hard, it will kill the dog.

Aside from my dog-lover's squeamishness about this idea, if you're close
enough to grab its front legs, you're close enough to expose your head to
its mouth ... in extremis, indeed. I think you'd be better off trying to
kick or knee the dog in the chest.

Of course you wouldn't kill a dog unless you had to.

Right, but ... Because I wouldn't kill a dog unless I had to, I'd be worried
about hesitating in the "gee, maybe he isn't *really* a vicious beast" kind of
way. I'm not sure I'm strong enough to do something like you describe. And
finally, as I said, putting my head in the way of its mouth seems pretty
dangerous to me. So for all of those reasons, I'm imagining that a kick to
the chest (or, probably better, as others have mentioned the face) would be
better. Even if I've fallen and the dog is on top of me, I can probably kick
its belly.

All that being said, there probably are situations in which you can't use your
legs and attempting to pull apart the dog's legs is your only choice.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:58:58 -0700, Gregg

[email protected] said:

The only
choice I had was to head straight into them, ala
playing chicken....

Just for the sake of general information, I do not advise this tactic
when faced with Canada geese instead of dogs.

I tried it....lived to regret it.

Frank Enkelmann wrote:
We both were sure that we wouldn't have

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stand a chance against this kind of dogs. They are too strong, and I have no
idea how to fight them. Everysince I really do not like this kind of dogs,
especially when I think what they can do to a child who inocently approaches
them.

That's when you remember the wishbone trick. Not that I've ever tested
it. Sounds like something to check with a vet about sometime.

--
--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Hi,

I had my most scary biking moment about 3 years back. A friend and I came
out from a forest and had to cycle through a farm which was "guarded" by 2
of this big pidbulls. We did not notice them at first because they were
resting in the shade of a tree. Only when we where about 2 more meters away
we saw them. But by that time they stood up, did not bark, but showed there
teeth and made very infriendly sounds. I just crossed my mind that dogs who
bark don't bit. Man at that moment I wished they had barked. Both my friend
and I just look at each other, didn't say a word, and slowly without picking
up speed kept cycling. The dogs were walking on each side of us, watching
us, making sure we see the scrary teeth. I took eternaty until we reach the
nearby road and the dogs stopped and watched us leaving. Only a kilomter
away we stopped and started talking. We both were sure that we wouldn't have
stand a chance against this kind of dogs. They are too strong, and I have no
idea how to fight them. Everysince I really do not like this kind of dogs,
especially when I think what they can do to a child who inocently approaches
them.

Regards
Frank

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"Gregg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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as a newbie, just curious to see how some of you
handle the occasional neighborhood dog.

The other evening was on my typical after work
ride. Coming off a horse trail and onto a bike
path. Could see a couple schnauzers up ahead.
They spotted me and started a full run. The only
choice I had was to head straight into them, ala
playing chicken.... Any rate, both dogs ran off sideways
as I approached, and then quickly circled behind
to start the chase. By then, I had a good head of
steam. The little guys kept after me for over a
1/2 mile. Couldn't believe it! If they were larger
dogs, like dobermans or german sheppards, no way could
I have pulled away.

Just curious what some of you have done with a more
serious situation? carry pepper spray? a little
air horn or something like that?

first time I came across this. To be honest, never
envisioned this being an issue.

thx.

-Gregg

"PeteCresswell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:58:58 -0700, Gregg

[email protected] said:

The only
choice I had was to head straight into them, ala
playing chicken....

Just for the sake of general information, I do not advise this tactic
when faced with Canada geese instead of dogs.

I tried it....lived to regret it.

Last spring, I rounded a corner and surprised a nesting pair with some
goslings. The male was not happy to see me.

When you have one of those bad boys coming at you with wings spread, hissing
and honkin' it gets exciting.++

I reversed direction and got $!&#@ out of there ;-)

--
DTW .../\.../\.../\...

I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
The rest, I've just wasted.

On a trip to the Domincan Republic many years ago I did a downhiller with a
local touring outfit. It was a nice warm day, but not excessive. I asked
the "rear guard" why he had so many water bottles on his bike (and some
spares on a waist belt).

Found out why as we cruised through some local villages - as the local mutts
gave chase (and some *did* look nasty), the rider would let them get close
and give them a good squirt of H2O in the face. It seemed to do the trick
every time, with no harm to the dog - heck they even got a drink after their
exertions.

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-24, Gregg penned:

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to be honest, I don't think the little guys were intent on hurting me. They
might have been lost, or as you noted, comfortable with handling bikes.

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any rate, not sure how I would have handled a sheppard or other large dog.

something I never thought about when I started riding again. How to handle
a mean dog......

I remember reading a number of discussions about this on the team estrogen
(women's cycling) forums. No one had a pat answer. Some carry pepper spray
or similar. Some have outridden the dog. I think a few have mentioned that,
if all else fails, you can put your bike between yourself and the dog, but I
doubt that would be very effective. At least so far, I've never heard of a
dog-chasing-bike situation in which the dog actually injured the rider, but
I'm sure it happens.

I imagine I'd only ride away if I thought I could outdistance the dog. On a
long downhill, that would probably be a safe bet, but I don't know about other
situations. Fleeing just triggers their chase response. Then again, if it's
already triggered ...

I really hope you never find yourself in a situation where a dangerous dog
wants to hurt you, on a bike or otherwise. I get nervous enough just riding
between cows (some of the paths I ride include areas where the cattle wander
across the path).
--
monique
"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

I have had dogs that seemed to come out of nowhere. With no time to really do anything else, those mutts get a solid rear kick to the face. They usually don't expect you to fight back I think.

For a dog that starts chasing from further away, I skid the rear wheel around to sideways, jump to the now forward direction ( the left side of the bike for me) while holding the handle bar and grab the seat. The bike separates me and the dog, and I attack with my bike battering ram imediately.

I have never been bit by a dog.

Per D T W .../\...:

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When you have one of those bad boys coming at you with wings spread, hissing
and honkin' it gets exciting.++

They can break an arm. I think it's called a "baton fracture"....goose attacks
pecking, biting, and beating on you with it's wings; you put up your arms, goose
hits a forearm with one of it's leading-edge wingbones...

The one I played chicken with took off in the other direction, got about 20 feet
of altitude, did a 180, and came at my head and shoulders from behind.
Vindictive sucker.... One of several times I was *really* glad I had a helmet
on. Bruised the heck out of a scapula..
--
PeteCresswell

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Per D T W .../\...:

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When you have one of those bad boys coming at you with wings spread,

hissing

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Quoted message said:

and honkin' it gets exciting.++

They can break an arm. I think it's called a "baton fracture"....goose

attacks

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pecking, biting, and beating on you with it's wings; you put up your arms,

goose

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hits a forearm with one of it's leading-edge wingbones...

The one I played chicken with took off in the other direction, got about

20 feet

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of altitude, did a 180, and came at my head and shoulders from behind.
Vindictive sucker.... One of several times I was *really* glad I had a

helmet

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on. Bruised the heck out of a scapula..
--
PeteCresswell

I had a neighbor with 5 of them, they started coming on my yard crapping all
over the place and trying to chase me, after several request to keep them
home with no results, a 12 gauge solved the problem very well.

JFC is it that fn hard to simply ride away from the dogs? How out of shape
must one be to not be able to navigate a 20 pound bike past even the worst
dog?

Dog schmog. Ride.

Besides, the dogs I see usually want to play, that is if you're not afraid
of them.

On 2/25/05 6:36 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Mr_Kingkillaha"

Quoted message said:

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2005-02-24, Gregg penned:

Quoted message said:

to be honest, I don't think the little guys were intent on hurting

me. They

Quoted message said:

might have been lost, or as you noted, comfortable with handling

bikes.

Quoted message said:

> any rate, not sure how I would have handled a sheppard or other

large dog.

Quoted message said:

something I never thought about when I started riding again. How to

handle

Quoted message said:

a mean dog......

I remember reading a number of discussions about this on the team
estrogen
(women's cycling) forums. No one had a pat answer. Some carry pepper
spray
or similar. Some have outridden the dog. I think a few have mentioned
that,
if all else fails, you can put your bike between yourself and the dog,
but I
doubt that would be very effective. At least so far, I've never heard
of a
dog-chasing-bike situation in which the dog actually injured the rider,
but
I'm sure it happens.

I imagine I'd only ride away if I thought I could outdistance the dog.
On a
long downhill, that would probably be a safe bet, but I don't know
about other
situations. Fleeing just triggers their chase response. Then again,
if it's
already triggered ...

I really hope you never find yourself in a situation where a dangerous
dog
wants to hurt you, on a bike or otherwise. I get nervous enough just
riding
between cows (some of the paths I ride include areas where the cattle
wander
across the path).
--
monique
"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

I have had dogs that seemed to come out of nowhere. With no time to
really do anything else, those mutts get a solid rear kick to the face.
They usually don't expect you to fight back I think.

For a dog that starts chasing from further away, I skid the rear wheel
around to sideways, jump to the now forward direction ( the left side of
the bike for me) while holding the handle bar and grab the seat. The
bike separates me and the dog, and I attack with my bike battering ram
imediately.

I have never been bit by a dog.

Slacker said:

D T W .../\... said:

Last spring, I rounded a corner and surprised a nesting pair with some
goslings. The male was not happy to see me.

When you have one of those bad boys coming at you with wings spread,
hissing
and honkin' it gets exciting.++

I reversed direction and got $!&#@ out of there ;-)

--
DTW .../\.../\.../\...

Big birds are scary. My cat and I were kicking it on the boat dock one
afternoon when this huge crane landed not far from us. It started
walking faster and faster toward us... The [censored] and I took off running
for our lives!

Don't you mean both pussies?
He made it sooo easy. ;-)

Shawn

"Gregg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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The little guys kept after me for over a

Quoted message said:

1/2 mile. Couldn't believe it! If they were larger
dogs, like dobermans or german sheppards, no way could
I have pulled away.

Just curious what some of you have done with a more
serious situation? carry pepper spray? a little
air horn or something like that?

Although it probably isn't very PC, I have been known to quickly unclip and
kick a dog in the teeth as it launched itself at my shin. I'm not sure if
the kick worked, or if it was my resulting mad wobbling that scared the dog
away.
--
Westie
(Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

"Gregg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

as a newbie, just curious to see how some of you
handle the occasional neighborhood dog.

The other evening was on my typical after work
ride. Coming off a horse trail and onto a bike
path. Could see a couple schnauzers up ahead.
They spotted me and started a full run. The only
choice I had was to head straight into them, ala
playing chicken.... Any rate, both dogs ran off sideways
as I approached, and then quickly circled behind
to start the chase. By then, I had a good head of
steam. The little guys kept after me for over a
1/2 mile. Couldn't believe it! If they were larger
dogs, like dobermans or german sheppards, no way could
I have pulled away.

Just curious what some of you have done with a more
serious situation? carry pepper spray? a little
air horn or something like that?

first time I came across this. To be honest, never
envisioned this being an issue.

thx.

-Gregg

I'm a dog lover but if you're on the trails with your dog you better have
confident voice control or a good leash (personally I prefer both). I never
try and out run a dog. I
get off the bike immediately and put the bike between me and the dog(s)
until
the owner shows up. No matter if they look friendly or not I don't take any
chances
until the owner takes control. Personally, since I've been all growed up
I've never had
a dog chase me on the street (I did get bit on the ankle back then which has
probably
affected my attitude today).

Keep control of your pooch and everybody is happy. A dog running on the
trail
is fine but one who wants to chase my bike is dangerous and is asking for a
size 13 to the
face.

Marty

PeteCresswell said:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:58:58 -0700, Gregg

[email protected] said:

The only
choice I had was to head straight into them, ala
playing chicken....

Just for the sake of general information, I do not advise this tactic
when faced with Canada geese instead of dogs.

I tried it....lived to regret it.

Ha ha. I used to get hassled by geese and swans as a kid in Michigan.
The swans were worse but both were scary - especially if you are the
same height!
The bird stories reminded me of a few years back at Waunita Hot Springs
(near Gunnison) and I had gone out to get something from the car in my
swim suit and coming back a huge ass turkey is blocking the path back.
This thing was freaky and I was almost naked. He kept circling around
and coming in close behind me. All I had was my towel so it was like a
bullfight but between a skinny guy in swim trunks and a turkey. Would
have made a great film clip. I eventually got back into the pool area
without getting clawed and pecked. Then for the rest of the day he
circled the enclosure and gobbled menacingly. I was emotionally scarred.

Matt

MattB said:

PeteCresswell said:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:58:58 -0700, Gregg

[email protected] said:

The only
choice I had was to head straight into them, ala
playing chicken....

Just for the sake of general information, I do not advise this tactic
when faced with Canada geese instead of dogs.
I tried it....lived to regret it.

Ha ha. I used to get hassled by geese and swans as a kid in Michigan.
The swans were worse but both were scary - especially if you are the
same height!
The bird stories reminded me of a few years back at Waunita Hot Springs
(near Gunnison) and I had gone out to get something from the car in my
swim suit and coming back a huge ass turkey is blocking the path back.
This thing was freaky and I was almost naked. He kept circling around
and coming in close behind me. All I had was my towel so it was like a
bullfight but between a skinny guy in swim trunks and a turkey. Would
have made a great film clip. I eventually got back into the pool area
without getting clawed and pecked. Then for the rest of the day he
circled the enclosure and gobbled menacingly. I was emotionally scarred.

Matt

And now you'll only eat ham for Thanksgiving??
--
Slack

This happened to me once and man that dog was fast, What I did was, When I
realised I had no chance of out running it I cranked hard built some speed
and Pulled my legs up. The Dog nipped twice Got pedal the second time and
lost interest. I dunno if it'll work that way all the time but hey.

"Gregg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Quoted message said:

as a newbie, just curious to see how some of you
handle the occasional neighborhood dog.

The other evening was on my typical after work
ride. Coming off a horse trail and onto a bike
path. Could see a couple schnauzers up ahead.
They spotted me and started a full run. The only
choice I had was to head straight into them, ala
playing chicken.... Any rate, both dogs ran off sideways
as I approached, and then quickly circled behind
to start the chase. By then, I had a good head of
steam. The little guys kept after me for over a
1/2 mile. Couldn't believe it! If they were larger
dogs, like dobermans or german sheppards, no way could
I have pulled away.

Just curious what some of you have done with a more
serious situation? carry pepper spray? a little
air horn or something like that?

first time I came across this. To be honest, never
envisioned this being an issue.

thx.

-Gregg