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Howdy folks!

First, thanks to everyone who responded a month or so back with ideas to get a recumbent for my
youngest daughter (10). We found a nice EZ-1 SC and she's been riding it steadily since
Christmas! It's been cold here on the Eastern Shore but that hasn't stopped her. What HAS been
causing issues though, are some dogs that we've encountered when riding. Animal lovers aside (and
we're animal lovers ourselves), these dogs are a nuisance. People who let their dogs run free in
neighborhoods so that they go after children and **** in everyones yard are not cool. I've not
encountered a dog yet that would continue to go after me upon receiving a well placed knock on
the head or below the jaw from my size 15 shoes... But my lil' girl doesn't have that option when
she chooses to ride by herself.

I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?

--
"Sea" ya!
--Lars S. Mulford
"You can find evil anywhere you look.
The question is, why are you looking?"
 
Lars S. Mulford wrote:

> I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?

I've been told that vinegar in a water pistol works, though I've not had the opportunity to try
it, as the dogs in my area have ceased being a problem in the past few years.

Though, it appears to be more of an owner problem rather than a dog problem. Dogs will be dogs,
but the owners are the ultimate source of the problem.

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Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> ...What HAS been causing issues though, are some dogs that we've encountered when riding. Animal
> lovers aside (and we're animal lovers ourselves), these dogs are a nuisance...But my lil' girl
> doesn't have that option when she chooses to ride by herself.
>
> I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?
>

I have found this 'Dog Dazer' to be most effective against all but deaf dogs. The first time I tried
it, the dog literally stopped in its tracks and _sat down_ still in the yard. The only draw backs I
have found are as I mentioned deaf dogs and that the Dazer needs to be aimed (not an easy feat at 20
mph). Here is a URL. Mind the wrap: http://www.lowguys.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Store_Code=pestcontrol&Product_Code=DAZX

You can check the archives to find several discussions on the Dazer and 'bents.
--

Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager http://www.clee.org
- Bellaire, TX USA -
 
"Lars S. Mulford" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?

Although the Halt spray works well, I'm told, I would not recommend allowing a child to carry it.
Instead I would first go to law enforcement to see about keeping the dogs contained. A lot of times
a shot of cold water will deter the animal but not always. The Dog Dazer mentioned would maybe be
another alternative.
 
When I was a teenager in the 60's I took bicycle tours in southern Ontario.
Farmer's dogs were a problem. We just put a very dilute ammonia solution in
a water pistol - aimed for the nose. The smell stopped them dead in their
tracks.
"Lars S. Mulford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Howdy folks!
>
> First, thanks to everyone who responded a month or so back with ideas to
get
> a recumbent for my youngest daughter (10). We found a nice EZ-1 SC and she's been riding it
> steadily since Christmas! It's been cold here on the Eastern Shore but that hasn't stopped her.
> What HAS been causing issues though, are some dogs that we've encountered when riding. Animal
> lovers aside (and we're animal lovers ourselves), these dogs are a nuisance. People who let their
> dogs run free in neighborhoods so that they go after children and **** in everyones yard are not
> cool. I've not encountered a dog yet that would continue to go after me upon receiving a well
> placed knock on the head or below the jaw from my size 15 shoes... But my lil' girl doesn't have
> that option when she chooses to ride by herself.
>
> I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?
>
> --
> "Sea" ya! --Lars S. Mulford "You can find evil anywhere you look. The question is, why are you
> looking?"
 
How much do those devices cost? (I went to a site in UK, but there were no prices.)
 
Howdy John:

You're right; it is an owner problem. Trouble is, we've called animal control six times about the
dogs running loose, and they've come out, spoken to the owners, and basically done nothing. They
tell us that unless they see it, they can't fine it. Meantime, people are getting more and more
upset and my concern is that someone in the neighborhood will take matters into their own hands.

Meanwhile, my daughter and I have to keep our heads on a swivel while riding in our own
neighborhood.

--
"Sea" ya!
--Lars S. Mulford
"You can find evil anywhere you look.
The question is, why are you looking?"

"John Tserkezis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Though, it appears to be more of an owner problem rather than a dog
problem.
> Dogs will be dogs, but the owners are the ultimate source of the problem
 
Howdy Cornelius:

Working with animal control thus far has not borne fruit. My daughter squirted the dog last time
with her water bottle but it had no effect. I'm going to explore the Dog Dazer but also want to keep
my options open.

The last thing I want to happen is for my girl to develop an aversion to riding because some idiot
owner won't take care of their pets.

--
"Sea" ya!
--Lars S. Mulford
"You can find evil anywhere you look.
The question is, why are you looking?"

"Cornelius Roberts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Although the Halt spray works well, I'm told, I would not recommend
> allowing a child to carry it. Instead I would first go to law enforcement
> to see about keeping the dogs contained. A lot of times a shot of cold
> water will deter the animal but not always. The Dog Dazer mentioned would
> maybe be another alternative.
 
"Lars S. Mulford" <[email protected]> wrote

> Working with animal control thus far has not borne fruit.

How about pictures/video of the dog(s) chasing bike riders... Keeping a log of incidents may help.

Is the owner not approachable? Are the dogs intentionally let loose or do they escape containment?
Are they behaving aggressively?

A significant issue for bike riders and unleashed dogs is the distraction factor. Taking evasive
action, squirting the dog with Halt! or a water bottle, etc,-- these may result in lose of control
of the bike. Unrestrained dogs harassing bicyclists is a serious problem, even if the dog "would
never bite anyone". Such dogs are a danger to themselves, too.

Jon Meinecke
 
get an aiz zound, a blast will stop the dog cold, and you won't have to worry about your daughter
getting a spray back her self. pretty cheap option for 20.00

Lars S. Mulford wrote:
> Howdy folks!
>
> First, thanks to everyone who responded a month or so back with ideas to get a recumbent for my
> youngest daughter (10). We found a nice EZ-1 SC and she's been riding it steadily since Christmas!
> It's been cold here on the Eastern Shore but that hasn't stopped her. What HAS been causing issues
> though, are some dogs that we've encountered when riding. Animal lovers aside (and we're animal
> lovers ourselves), these dogs are a nuisance. People who let their dogs run free in neighborhoods
> so that they go after children and **** in everyones yard are not cool. I've not encountered a dog
> yet that would continue to go after me upon receiving a well placed knock on the head or below the
> jaw from my size 15 shoes... But my lil' girl doesn't have that option when she chooses to ride by
> herself.
>
> I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?
>
> --
> "Sea" ya! --Lars S. Mulford "You can find evil anywhere you look. The question is, why are you
> looking?"
 
Lars S. Mulford wrote:

> Howdy folks!
>
> First, thanks to everyone who responded a month or so back with ideas to get a recumbent for my
> youngest daughter (10). We found a nice EZ-1 SC and she's been riding it steadily since Christmas!
> It's been cold here on the Eastern Shore but that hasn't stopped her. What HAS been causing issues
> though, are some dogs that we've encountered when riding. Animal lovers aside (and we're animal
> lovers ourselves), these dogs are a nuisance. People who let their dogs run free in neighborhoods
> so that they go after children and **** in everyones yard are not cool. I've not encountered a dog
> yet that would continue to go after me upon receiving a well placed knock on the head or below the
> jaw from my size 15 shoes... But my lil' girl doesn't have that option when she chooses to ride by
> herself.
>
> I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?

See < http://www.fdungan.com/mk39.gif >.

Tom "Black Humor" Sherman - Quad Cities
 
I have not tried this myself, I was told by an experienced rider that he uses a 16-20 oz pump bottle
with full strenght ammonia. He aims at the ground right in front of the dog. Usually the smell will
keep them back. If it contiues he goes for the body. If it contiues then he goes for the nose and if
he gets the eyes he does stop and try to wash them out.

Most male wild animals tend to mark their territories with urine. They have 'deer urine' in hunting
stores. Has anyone tried collecting and spaying any along side the road? (the 'deer urine' or have
your dog go in an area with a collecting drain.)

Samuel Burkeen wrote:
>
> When I was a teenager in the 60's I took bicycle tours in southern Ontario. Farmer's dogs were a
> problem. We just put a very dilute ammonia solution in a water pistol - aimed for the nose. The
> smell stopped them dead in their tracks. "Lars S. Mulford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Howdy folks!
> >
> > First, thanks to everyone who responded a month or so back with ideas to
> get
> > a recumbent for my youngest daughter (10). We found a nice EZ-1 SC and she's been riding it
> > steadily since Christmas! It's been cold here on the Eastern Shore but that hasn't stopped her.
> > What HAS been causing issues though, are some dogs that we've encountered when riding. Animal
> > lovers aside (and we're animal lovers ourselves), these dogs are a nuisance. People who let
> > their dogs run free in neighborhoods so that they go after children and **** in everyones yard
> > are not cool. I've not encountered a dog yet that would continue to go after me upon receiving a
> > well placed knock on the head or below the jaw from my size 15 shoes... But my lil' girl doesn't
> > have that option when she chooses to ride by herself.
> >
> > I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any recommendations?
> >
> > --
> > "Sea" ya! --Lars S. Mulford "You can find evil anywhere you look. The question is, why are you
> > looking?"
> >
 
> I have found this 'Dog Dazer' to be most effective against all but deaf dogs.

Sometimes I encounter large pit bulls while traversing low-income areas. I would hate to choose a
weapon that wasn't powerful enough. I have successfully used the "Nice Doggie!" approach in most
cases, but can't depend on it working all the time. I too want my daughter to accompany me. Lots of
farm dogs around here too.

I like the idea of the Dazer thingee. I'd like to read some statistics (without spin) before risking
starting a fight.

My bud uses something, I need to find out what, think Pepper spray. He shoots in front of them. It
has worked so far. Are you here, Mistuh Jones?

GeoB
 
Lars S. Mulford wrote:

> You're right; it is an owner problem. Trouble is, we've called animal control six times about the
> dogs running loose, and they've come out, spoken to the owners, and basically done nothing. They
> tell us that unless they see it, they can't fine it. Meantime, people are getting more and more
> upset and my concern is that someone in the neighborhood will take matters into their own hands.

Yep, it works the same way here, unless someone actually gets mauled, nothing gets done about it-
three "nearlys" with the same dog doesn't count.

The last time was when I was passing the property, the dog was out the front getting its belly
scratched by the daughter, as I passed, the dog raises its ears, while the daughter was saying "no
kill, no kill".

--
Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org
 
I was going to suggest an air horn, the rechargable ones are supposed to be very loud. If the dog
gets spooked once he may decide not to go after you in the future.

I've encountered a few dogs easily capable of knocking me over. So far most of them seem to relax
when I tell them what good dogs they are. And fortunately for me the ones I've encountered who
haven't relaxed from my friendly voice have (so far) been put off by an angry-sounding 'Get Back!!'.
With my attitude (extreme dog lover) even if I started carrying some deterent by the time I would
resort to using it would be too late.

How aggressive are these dogs? Can they be befriended? Have you spoke with the owner? Do they stay
close to home?

As long as you have to deal with them I hope your communicating to the dogs themselves. Call 'Hi" as
you approach tell them cheerfully what good dogs they are. Use a nagging, reproachful tone if they
approach too closely, and a loud, commanding bark if you have to order them back. If you feel actual
fear of these dogs it may be best to avoid that spot if you can't come to a compromisew with the
owner. We know dogs shouldn't be running loose, but some of the idiots who feel fido must be alowwed
to run will confine during daylight for the neighbor's sake (and maybe in hopes of less visible
neighborhood violations).

I had a neighbor who's dog used my yard for his toilet. His dog was a large breed, hence he left
large 'presents'. After twice speaking with the owner I changed my disposal method, and when
cleaning up after his dog I left the leavings outside the owner's stoop. Presto, the dog stopped
appearing in my yard.

Mike
 
How about pepper spray? Or other name bear spray?

"Lars S. Mulford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Howdy John:
>
> You're right; it is an owner problem. Trouble is, we've called animal control six times about the
> dogs running loose, and they've come out,
spoken
> to the owners, and basically done nothing. They tell us that unless they see it, they can't fine
> it. Meantime, people are getting more and more upset and my concern is that someone in the
> neighborhood will take matters into their own hands.
>
> Meanwhile, my daughter and I have to keep our heads on a swivel while
riding
> in our own neighborhood.
>
> --
> "Sea" ya! --Lars S. Mulford "You can find evil anywhere you look. The question is, why are you
> looking?"
>
> "John Tserkezis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Though, it appears to be more of an owner problem rather than a dog
> problem.
> > Dogs will be dogs, but the owners are the ultimate source of the
problem
 
I can't find the story on the original web site, the main paper, discussion groups I am in, or other
news sources.

I got this result on google.com with 'dogs maul st. louis': Central West End Association ... The
fund was established to help build a new St. ... It is because of the miserable conditions there
that a pack of stray dogs was around to maul to death a ... Description: Board of directors and
committees. Guide to businesses, restaurants, and shops in the area, as well... Category: Regional >
North America > ... > Organizations www.centralwestend.net/ - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

What I remember was after years of cutting dog catcher positions St. Louis was down to 4, and calls
were being responded to so late they were very ineffective. Finally, a 10 year old boy walking home
from school was mauled to death by a pack of loose dogs. They immediately boosted obertime, doubled
the staff after 2 months, and caught a lot of dogs. Unfortunately, it took a death and a lot of
media coverage to get anything done. This happened about 2002.

John Tserkezis wrote:
>
> Lars S. Mulford wrote:
>
> > You're right; it is an owner problem. Trouble is, we've called animal control six times about
> > the dogs running loose, and they've come out, spoken to the owners, and basically done nothing.
> > They tell us that unless they see it, they can't fine it. Meantime, people are getting more and
> > more upset and my concern is that someone in the neighborhood will take matters into their own
> > hands.
>
> Yep, it works the same way here, unless someone actually gets mauled, nothing gets done about
> it- three "nearlys" with the same dog doesn't count.
>
> The last time was when I was passing the property, the dog was out the front getting its belly
> scratched by the daughter, as I passed, the dog raises its ears, while the daughter was saying
> "no kill, no kill".
>
> --
> Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org
 
> I'm thinking that some kind of spray may be in order here. Are there any
>> recommendations?

Lars Ask you mailman what kind of spray he carries. Mace seems to work well.
 
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