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do acids act as anti-oxidants ?

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  1. When acids release protons, do these protons pair with free electrons
    releasded by oxidizing agents?
    regards
    andrew vecsey

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    When acids release protons, do these protons pair with free electrons
    releasded by oxidizing agents?
    regards
    andrew vecsey

    Oxidizing agents, per definition, _accept_ electrons, they don't donate
    them.

    I have the feeling you meant something else; something in the way of radical
    reactions maybe?
    Can you reword your question?

  3. Yes you are right. To rephrase the question.... When bases release OH-,
    do these OH-s nutralize the "damages" caused by oxidizing agents that
    tear or rob electrons from molecules.
    Can bases act as ant-oxidizing agents in this way?
    regards
    andrew vecsey.

  4. I can't think of a relevant biological context for that possibility,
    not in practical terms in a human body, anyway. Consider this,
    however: if you don't have enough stomach acid, and "pathogens" thrive,
    the biochemical activity will do some amount of harm in terms of
    stealing electrons and rendering vital biomolecules dysfunctional.

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    Yes you are right. To rephrase the question.... When bases release OH-,
    do these OH-s nutralize the "damages" caused by oxidizing agents that
    tear or rob electrons from molecules.

    No, in general they don't.
    Think of it this way: damage done by oxidizing agents is usually
    peroxidation, the formation of epoxides, and/or breaking of the molecule
    chain, and/or chemical addition of different radicals leading to a stable
    molecule.

    Its easier to estimate probabilities when you look at the molecule and its
    electron configuration.

    Oxygen:

    ..O. one unpaired electron on either side

    (thats why oxygen is usually found in the more stable form O2 - that is O=O
    which means each of the two oxygens shares two unpaired electrons making 2
    covalent bonds to 2 electrons each)

    Hydrogen:

    H. one unpaired electron

    a clearer (though a little to simplified) display can be found here:
    http://www.krysstal.com/images/chembond_atom3.jpg

    OH- means " :O:H " that is 2 electrons shared between hydrogen and oxygen
    and one extra electron pairing the single electron on the other side.. thus
    the "-" charge.

    In order to act as a quencher the molecule should be able to add one more
    electron to its structure and still be a (somewhat) stable molecule, OH-
    already has one added to it, so its not really reactive in that way.

    Most antioxidants have a few conjugated doublebonds.. these can transport
    the "radicalic" electron to the end of the chain, thus stabilizing the
    molecule and making it less reactive.

    Quoted message said:

    Can bases act as ant-oxidizing agents in this way?
    regards

    Antioxidants in biological systems are usually seen in the light of slowing
    or terminating radical chain reaction.
    In so far the release of OH- ions has no effect in any way to my best
    knowledge.
    (Although I would not rule out that pH value can have some effect on radical
    chain reactions or the reactivity of certain metabolites)

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    andrew vecsey.

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