T-mobile where a pretty screwed up team, beating themselves up as much as other teams. TEAM "curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PveFe.1857$S72.269@trndny06...
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Pretty good point really. Discovery didn't do all that well, but without them it would be pretty tough to win. T-mobile showed Discovery they couldn't hang with the big guns, even though they had no one strong enough to beat Lance however.
"k.papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
T-mobile where a pretty screwed up team, beating themselves up as much as other teams. TEAM "curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PveFe.1857$S72.269@trndny06...
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Pretty good point really. Discovery didn't do all that well, but without them it would be pretty tough to win. T-mobile showed Discovery they couldn't hang with the big guns, even though they had no one strong enough to beat Lance however.
"k.papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
T-mobile where a pretty screwed up team, beating themselves up as much as other teams. TEAM "curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PveFe.1857$S72.269@trndny06...
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Pretty good point really. Discovery didn't do all that well, but without them it would be pretty tough to win. T-mobile showed Discovery they couldn't hang with the big guns, even though they had no one strong enough to beat Lance however.
"k.papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
T-mobile where a pretty screwed up team, beating themselves up as much as other teams. TEAM "curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PveFe.1857$S72.269@trndny06...
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Pretty good point really. Discovery didn't do all that well, but without them it would be pretty tough to win. T-mobile showed Discovery they couldn't hang with the big guns, even though they had no one strong enough to beat Lance however.
"k.papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
Posnanski later noted: "Hey, stupid people should be allowed to enjoy the Tour de France, too."
If they really care they should run out and get "Tour de France For Dummies". I saw this in the book store last night on a shelf full of TdF/Lance books.
Assuming they can read...
The reason these people don't understand how it works is because they really don't care. Any literate person can sort out the details if they really had an interest, but they won't if they don't feel it's worth the bother.
I remember first following stage racing early in the Lemond era. I remember finding it frustrating to hear that there were no changes in the overall classification after certain stages. It made me wonder why the guy who had just won the stage had busted his balls so hard. I remember thinking to myself, "how many fricken stages does he got to win"?
Before calling those ignorant "stupid" it might br a fine exercise to actually explain how GC, Points, KOM and stages work in a stage race vs. one day and see how long it takes to educate others. I spent the better part of an hour doing just that, to a couple last year. If I'd have gven then a quiz the next day they'd probably only get 30% correct. You have to develop the passion for genuine interest in any sport. I's amazing how little most fans actually know about their favorite sports.
Posnanski later noted: "Hey, stupid people should be allowed to enjoy the Tour de France, too."
If they really care they should run out and get "Tour de France For Dummies". I saw this in the book store last night on a shelf full of TdF/Lance books.
Assuming they can read...
The reason these people don't understand how it works is because they really don't care. Any literate person can sort out the details if they really had an interest, but they won't if they don't feel it's worth the bother.
I remember first following stage racing early in the Lemond era. I remember finding it frustrating to hear that there were no changes in the overall classification after certain stages. It made me wonder why the guy who had just won the stage had busted his balls so hard. I remember thinking to myself, "how many fricken stages does he got to win"?
Before calling those ignorant "stupid" it might br a fine exercise to actually explain how GC, Points, KOM and stages work in a stage race vs. one day and see how long it takes to educate others. I spent the better part of an hour doing just that, to a couple last year. If I'd have gven then a quiz the next day they'd probably only get 30% correct. You have to develop the passion for genuine interest in any sport. I's amazing how little most fans actually know about their favorite sports.
Posnanski later noted: "Hey, stupid people should be allowed to enjoy the Tour de France, too."
If they really care they should run out and get "Tour de France For Dummies". I saw this in the book store last night on a shelf full of TdF/Lance books.
Assuming they can read...
The reason these people don't understand how it works is because they really don't care. Any literate person can sort out the details if they really had an interest, but they won't if they don't feel it's worth the bother.
I remember first following stage racing early in the Lemond era. I remember finding it frustrating to hear that there were no changes in the overall classification after certain stages. It made me wonder why the guy who had just won the stage had busted his balls so hard. I remember thinking to myself, "how many fricken stages does he got to win"?
Before calling those ignorant "stupid" it might br a fine exercise to actually explain how GC, Points, KOM and stages work in a stage race vs. one day and see how long it takes to educate others. I spent the better part of an hour doing just that, to a couple last year. If I'd have gven then a quiz the next day they'd probably only get 30% correct. You have to develop the passion for genuine interest in any sport. I's amazing how little most fans actually know about their favorite sports.
Posnanski later noted: "Hey, stupid people should be allowed to enjoy the Tour de France, too."
If they really care they should run out and get "Tour de France For Dummies". I saw this in the book store last night on a shelf full of TdF/Lance books.
Assuming they can read...
The reason these people don't understand how it works is because they really don't care. Any literate person can sort out the details if they really had an interest, but they won't if they don't feel it's worth the bother.
I remember first following stage racing early in the Lemond era. I remember finding it frustrating to hear that there were no changes in the overall classification after certain stages. It made me wonder why the guy who had just won the stage had busted his balls so hard. I remember thinking to myself, "how many fricken stages does he got to win"?
Before calling those ignorant "stupid" it might br a fine exercise to actually explain how GC, Points, KOM and stages work in a stage race vs. one day and see how long it takes to educate others. I spent the better part of an hour doing just that, to a couple last year. If I'd have gven then a quiz the next day they'd probably only get 30% correct. You have to develop the passion for genuine interest in any sport. I's amazing how little most fans actually know about their favorite sports.
Posnanski later noted: "Hey, stupid people should be allowed to enjoy the Tour de France, too."
If they really care they should run out and get "Tour de France For Dummies". I saw this in the book store last night on a shelf full of TdF/Lance books.
Assuming they can read...
The reason these people don't understand how it works is because they really don't care. Any literate person can sort out the details if they really had an interest, but they won't if they don't feel it's worth the bother.
I remember first following stage racing early in the Lemond era. I remember finding it frustrating to hear that there were no changes in the overall classification after certain stages. It made me wonder why the guy who had just won the stage had busted his balls so hard. I remember thinking to myself, "how many fricken stages does he got to win"?
Before calling those ignorant "stupid" it might br a fine exercise to actually explain how GC, Points, KOM and stages work in a stage race vs. one day and see how long it takes to educate others. I spent the better part of an hour doing just that, to a couple last year. If I'd have gven then a quiz the next day they'd probably only get 30% correct. You have to develop the passion for genuine interest in any sport. I's amazing how little most fans actually know about their favorite sports.
Posnanski later noted: "Hey, stupid people should be allowed to enjoy the Tour de France, too."
If they really care they should run out and get "Tour de France For Dummies". I saw this in the book store last night on a shelf full of TdF/Lance books.
Assuming they can read...
The reason these people don't understand how it works is because they really don't care. Any literate person can sort out the details if they really had an interest, but they won't if they don't feel it's worth the bother.
I remember first following stage racing early in the Lemond era. I remember finding it frustrating to hear that there were no changes in the overall classification after certain stages. It made me wonder why the guy who had just won the stage had busted his balls so hard. I remember thinking to myself, "how many fricken stages does he got to win"?
Before calling those ignorant "stupid" it might br a fine exercise to actually explain how GC, Points, KOM and stages work in a stage race vs. one day and see how long it takes to educate others. I spent the better part of an hour doing just that, to a couple last year. If I'd have gven then a quiz the next day they'd probably only get 30% correct. You have to develop the passion for genuine interest in any sport. I's amazing how little most fans actually know about their favorite sports.
Posnanski later noted: "Hey, stupid people should be allowed to enjoy the Tour de France, too."
If they really care they should run out and get "Tour de France For Dummies". I saw this in the book store last night on a shelf full of TdF/Lance books.
Assuming they can read...
The reason these people don't understand how it works is because they really don't care. Any literate person can sort out the details if they really had an interest, but they won't if they don't feel it's worth the bother.
I remember first following stage racing early in the Lemond era. I remember finding it frustrating to hear that there were no changes in the overall classification after certain stages. It made me wonder why the guy who had just won the stage had busted his balls so hard. I remember thinking to myself, "how many fricken stages does he got to win"?
Before calling those ignorant "stupid" it might br a fine exercise to actually explain how GC, Points, KOM and stages work in a stage race vs. one day and see how long it takes to educate others. I spent the better part of an hour doing just that, to a couple last year. If I'd have gven then a quiz the next day they'd probably only get 30% correct. You have to develop the passion for genuine interest in any sport. I's amazing how little most fans actually know about their favorite sports.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
-Ken
Just like football quarterbacks, baseball pitchers, NASCAR drivers, etc.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
-Ken
Just like football quarterbacks, baseball pitchers, NASCAR drivers, etc.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
-Ken
Just like football quarterbacks, baseball pitchers, NASCAR drivers, etc.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
-Ken
Just like football quarterbacks, baseball pitchers, NASCAR drivers, etc.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
-Ken
Just like football quarterbacks, baseball pitchers, NASCAR drivers, etc.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
-Ken
Just like football quarterbacks, baseball pitchers, NASCAR drivers, etc.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
-Ken
Just like football quarterbacks, baseball pitchers, NASCAR drivers, etc.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
What's ignorant about King's comments?
Everything that Armstrong has accomplished IS due to a great team ... but in the mainstream media, Armstrong is the only one who gets the glory?
True, but it's kind of a silly point from him, because Peter King is _in_ the sports media. Instead of writing a column about how he isn't excited and "all we hear," he could write a column that actually talks about the team and tries to spread a little of the glory. Did he even mention any of their names?
This is a little like the column Tim Mullin and I were going around about last week. There's a columnist syndrome where instead of writing about what happens, some columnists (sports and otherwise) insist on writing primarily about their feelings about what happened. Columns are opinion, but good writers know the difference between opinion and navel-gazing.
A non-sports example of this syndrome is Maureen Dowd's op-ed column in the NY Times. She can be a very incisive writer, but often doesn't bother to venture outside her personal echo chamber.
Peter King (NFL football and donut eating expert) ignorantly wrote, "I think the reason I can't get all excited about Lance Armstrong -- and this is not to demean his accomplishments -- is that everything he does is due in large measure to a great team and yet all we hear about is Lance Armstrong. Strikes me that bike racing is a team sport, with all the help the leaders of each team get. And yet individuals get the glory."
What's ignorant about King's comments?
Everything that Armstrong has accomplished IS due to a great team ... but in the mainstream media, Armstrong is the only one who gets the glory?
True, but it's kind of a silly point from him, because Peter King is _in_ the sports media. Instead of writing a column about how he isn't excited and "all we hear," he could write a column that actually talks about the team and tries to spread a little of the glory. Did he even mention any of their names?
This is a little like the column Tim Mullin and I were going around about last week. There's a columnist syndrome where instead of writing about what happens, some columnists (sports and otherwise) insist on writing primarily about their feelings about what happened. Columns are opinion, but good writers know the difference between opinion and navel-gazing.
A non-sports example of this syndrome is Maureen Dowd's op-ed column in the NY Times. She can be a very incisive writer, but often doesn't bother to venture outside her personal echo chamber.
