(Larry Weisenthal) said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:As if there are only two choices: weak and strong. There is more
kicking in heaven and earth than is contained in your philosophies.<<
This business about "weak kicker" / "strong kicker" is a
generalization, as I'm sure you know. Of course it's a continuum.
If
Quoted message said:you put on a pair of Zoomers, your kick will be a little stronger.
Put
Quoted message said:on some duck fin style body boarding fins and your kick will be
stronger still. Put on some big flexible scuba fins and your kick
will
Quoted message said:be the strongest of all. And, at each step of the way, your stroke
length will increase. Naturally, without any artificial and
counterproductive measures to bring this about.
The reason that the sprinter models for TI have such long, slow
strokes
Quoted message said:is because they've got such powerful kicks. The reason that David
Davies was so successful despite having a weak kick (relative to
Thorpe, Popov, and Jensen) is because he swims with a short, high
turnover stroke. I've never yet found a clear exception to this rule
(strong kick/long stroke; weak kick/short stroke) and Man o' Tea has
never found one either. Yet he would have us believe that complete
non-kickers (e.g. he, I, and virtually all triathletes) should be
focusing increasing stroke length, while just letting stroke rate
take
Quoted message said:care of itself. This philosophy has diminished the careers of
countless promising distance swimmers over the past 10 years, and
continues to diminish careers, even as we quibble. To say nothing of
misleading countless triathletes.
- Larry Weisenthal
I'm starting to see this age old debate that we have in slightly
different terms. That's after trying many different swim styles myself
and studying video of elite swimmers ad nauseum. We've been talking
past each other for years on the topic, and I believe some of that is
rooted in the differences between average swimmers and elite swimmers.
In another words, what's good for them may not applicable to us mere
mortals.
I am convinced that a high turnover style is really only suitable for
males when they are extremely lean. For example, Dave Davies is listed
at 6'1" and 165 pounds. That gives him a Body Mass Index of only 21.8
- pretty darn low. As I look around the pool I swim in, the best male
practictioners of the quick, short style, are young and lean. These
guys are the same height as me on the pool deck but are carrying 30-40
pounds less weight.
As best I can figure out, it's an "f=ma" kind of thing. ("Force = Mass
x Acceleration"😉 We know that swimmers speed varies a great deal
during a stroke cycle. And to accelerate a much larger mass (weight)
with a quick pull is just real tiring. My arms and hands are similar
in size to Davies, but he's got three inches in height on me that
creates a longer vessel, and nearly 20 pounds less weight that speeds
up and slows down every stroke cycle.
I had an unwritten rule that in trying different swim techniques, I
would never seriously practice something which I didn't see elites
doing. That's because with all the styles out there, from the
idiosyncratic (Dolan and Rossolino), to the textbook (Benko), to the
bizarre (Evans), I figured all the bases must be covered. But in
reality, no elite swimmer out there has an overfed, middle-aged body
with really thick legs. They wouldn't be elite if they had those
attributes.
So bottom line - by all means try a quick turnover stroke. But unless
you're real lean, I don't think it's going to seem all that great.
Likewise with kicking. We've talked forever about what's an effective
kick, and when people should use their kicks. We've cited data which
shows that good sprinters have kick to swim ratios of 1.5, as a way to
help us decide if a swimmer should work on their kick and try to
incorporate it into their stroke a great deal. Well maybe that data
isn't so useful. Elite sprinters have small, tight rumps, well
developed but small quads, very lean calf muscles, and big floppy feet.
Hello! Once again, not what I have even in one characteristic. The
upshot is my swim/kick ratio exceeds 1.5 by a great deal, and I tire
quickly while kicking, but boy does an easy 6-beat kick make my stroke
feel better. So by the elite standards, I shouldn't kick.
So I'm starting to realize we're not playing by the same rules as the
elites. We need to study video of mediocre swimmers and figure out how
they're getting better. I would love to see video of average swimmers
from these online coaching gigs. In the meantime, I'll muddle through.
Eric