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dietary squalene

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  1. Found the following. Until data is available it seems sensible to count
    a gram of squalene as a gram of cholesterol for olive oil but not for
    any other food.
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    Effects of trace components of dietary fat on cholesterol metabolism:
    Phytosterols, oxysterols, and squalene
    Nutrition Reviews, Nov 2002 by Ostlund, Richard E Jr, Racette, Susan B,
    Stenson, William F
    ....
    Similar to the situation in animal cells, squalene is usually only a minor
    component of the nonsaponifiable materials of plants. It is estimated that the
    average consumption of squalene in foodstuffs is only 28 mg/ day, a small
    proportion of the cholesterol production rate of 1114 mg/day. However, dietary
    squalene can vary remarkably and olive oil is a stark exception to the rule that
    plant levels are generally low. Olive oil contains 200 to 700 mg squalene/100 g
    oil. 7- to 300-fold more than other vegetable oils and up to 5000-fold more than
    some vegetable foods . The efficiency of gastrointestinal squalene absorption
    has been estimated at 42% in animals and 86% in humans, and dietary squalene
    is found in postprandial lipoprotein fractions. Once absorbed, squalene
    appears to be quantitatively converted to cholesterol. Some dietary squalene
    is converted to cholesterol within the intestinal epithelium and may thereby
    influence cholesterol absorption. The effect of long-term squalene feeding in
    humans has not been investigated adequately. In a small study using purified
    squalene (1 g/day) added to margarine, LDL cholesterol increased 17%, apo B
    increased 14%, and fecal neutral sterols increased 9%. The incorporation of
    labeled water into cholesterol was reported to be significantly lower after
    olive oil consumption compared with other vegetable oils. This result would be
    expected as compensation for increased unmeasured cholesterol synthesis from
    unlabeled exogenous squalene. In a large study that used an undefined dietary
    supplement containing squalene (presumably an extract of shark liver), there was
    a 14% reduction in LDL cholesterol compared with placebo. It is unclear
    whether the effect was due to squalene itself or to other components. Commercial
    squalene supplements are often less than 50% pure.
    Squalene content is potentially important in the interpretation of studies
    involving olive oil administration. Based on the above data it is possible that
    individuals consuming 50 g olive oil per day might have a squalene intake of 350
    mg, an amount that could easily affect cholesterol metabolism because it is
    would be equivalent to 350 mg of cholesterol, assuming similar efficiency of
    absorption. Olive oil elevates serum cholesterol and LDL cholesterol relative to
    other vegetable oils in controlled diet studies. However, it is not known
    whether squalene is the active agent. Whether cholesterol derived from absorbed
    squalene has effects similar to absorbed cholesterol is also not known. Because
    many studies of monounsaturates were conducted with olive oil as the test
    material, it would be important to define further the role of its squalene
    component.
    ....

  2. Another ludicrous "marker" study. What exactly are they saying? The
    highest quality olive oil, which is the only kind woth consuming, is
    high in squalene. The lowest quality, refined olive oil is used in
    antioxidant experiments because it goes rancid so quickly. According
    to these idiots, you should consume the lowest quality olive oil. If
    they could show that high quality olive oil in a diet low in foods that
    produce oxidative stress causes cholesterol levels to go considerably
    higher than the Ancel Keys limit, which is 220, then it deserves
    further study, but they are talking only about "markers," not about
    actual mechanisms. Those familiar with biochemical mechanisms realize
    (probably 99% of them, at least) that oxidative stress is the root
    cause, and since squalene is such a good antioxidant, there is no
    reason to avoid it, since it will protect your cholesterol from
    becoming oxidized (as long as you don't eat cholesterol that is already
    oxidized), so it does not matter if it raises cholesterol a few points.
    In fact, that is good - protective against, cancer, shock, and
    "bleeding" strokes, for example. The original anti-cholesterol
    experiment, done in Russia in 1913 on rabbits, used pure oxidized
    cholesterol, so the rabbits had major damage done to them.

    One should largely disregard "studies" that are done with "markers"
    when there is no reason just to see what happens. In other words,
    forget about cholesterol levels moving up a few points and just
    determine who lived longer, and perhaps a higher quality of life as
    well. If these guys were any more clueless, they would be cast in
    another sequel to Dumb and Dumber.

  3. "montygram" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Another ludicrous "marker" study. What exactly are they saying? The
    highest quality olive oil, which is the only kind woth consuming, is
    high in squalene. The lowest quality, refined olive oil is used in
    antioxidant experiments because it goes rancid so quickly. According
    to these idiots, you should consume the lowest quality olive oil.

    Well, actually nobody said that in the text quoted.. nor did they advise to
    stay away from squalene-rich foods.

    Quoted message said:

    If
    they could show that high quality olive oil in a diet low in foods that
    produce oxidative stress causes cholesterol levels to go considerably
    higher than the Ancel Keys limit, which is 220, then it deserves
    further study, but they are talking only about "markers," not about
    actual mechanisms. Those familiar with biochemical mechanisms realize
    (probably 99% of them, at least) that oxidative stress is the root
    cause, and since squalene is such a good antioxidant, there is no
    reason to avoid it, since it will protect your cholesterol from
    becoming oxidized (as long as you don't eat cholesterol that is already
    oxidized), so it does not matter if it raises cholesterol a few points.
    In fact, that is good - protective against, cancer, shock, and
    "bleeding" strokes, for example. The original anti-cholesterol
    experiment, done in Russia in 1913 on rabbits, used pure oxidized
    cholesterol, so the rabbits had major damage done to them.

    I agree though, that this text does not say anything really important or
    alarming.
    What they say is: the body uses squalene to produce cholesterol.. ok. But is
    this a risk factor?
    How could it be.. cholesterol is an important factor in the human body and
    has many different functions absolutely necessary for survival (hormones,
    bile salts, cell membranes etc).
    Besides that squalene is a secondary antioxidant and prevents other lipids
    from oxidation by being oxidized itself.

    Total cholesterol doesn't say much.. LDL/HDL ratio makes more sense.

    Quoted message said:

    One should largely disregard "studies" that are done with "markers"
    when there is no reason just to see what happens. In other words,

    This is pointless. You couldn't do many studies without markers.

    Thing with markers is:
    1) you have to understand them.. which means learning and exploring the
    biochemistry that stands behind it.

    2) you have to know what you actually looked at and argue from there not
    from what you thought you looked at.

    Quoted message said:

    forget about cholesterol levels moving up a few points and just
    determine who lived longer, and perhaps a higher quality of life as
    well. If these guys were any more clueless, they would be cast in
    another sequel to Dumb and Dumber.

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