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Develop the Dark Meat

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  1. I constantly "go to school" on my various Masters
    colleagues. I'm afraid some of the women probably think I'm
    "oogling" them underwater. But my intentions are academic
    ... okay an ocassional oogle.

    Anyways, a new fellow showed up. Trim, young, and kicking
    like the blazes. So most people that make kicking the
    cornerstone of their stroke can ... well, you know, KICK.

    So I casually time him on some 50 yard kickboard sets by
    watching the clock out of the corner of my eye, and he's
    taking nearly a whole minute to go each repeat! That's not
    very fast in my book. I swim at a college, and when the swim
    team shows up, they can go high 40s pretty easily.

    So I did a couple things.

    First some math. I couldn't figure out how he was a good
    swimmer utilizing a weak kick. But the numbers DO add up. He
    swims in the lane that goes 1:20 base. That's 80 seconds a
    hundred. So if he can do 50 yards repeats on a minute,
    that's 120 second base for 100 yards kicking.

    That's our "magic" swim/kick ratio of 1.5. The data was
    taken from sprinters, but why not apply to more general swim
    distances?

    The second thing I did was decide (again!) to try and
    develop a 6-beat kick. Not a rooster tail, but something I
    could use lightly at distance, and "heat-up" during an all
    out effort. And I'm finally getting somewhere!

    So here's my point: working on a kick is a lot of fun
    because it's great to finally develop some "dark" muscle
    tissue - namely the lower body. That's a reference to
    Larry's oft quoted turkeys versus ducks. We have turkey
    breast meat up top which is white, non-vascular, low
    mitochondria, etc. If you were lucky enough to be an age
    group swimmer, then as a developing adolescent you spent
    thousands of hours in the pool, and all that work has
    developed an upper body musculature that a "johnny come
    lately" will just never match.

    But legs are different story! We all have God Given or
    evolutionarily developed lower bodies that helped us run
    down Ice Age Mammals. The large vital capicity of our heart
    and lungs are designed to feed those big, vascular muscles.
    So by all means, if your swim to kick ratio is anywhere near
    1.5, I highly encourage people to work on a 6-beat kick.

    It's utterly brutal at first. A hundred yards with even the
    lightest kick left me panting at the wall, while before it
    was nothing. But the legs respond quickly to the added
    stress, unlike the upper body. I've also been doing the
    "gold standard" of exercises in the gym twice a week.
    Namely, squats. They help temendously and the strength gains
    are quick and dramatic. And that's a lot of fun to
    experience.

    Plus, we can argue on the group ad infinitum about why a
    kick works, but the fact that it works is not debatable.
    Smooths out the velocity everywhere. For the first time I
    can understand "bottom up swimming" a little. That's a
    phrase which means that the hips and legs are setting tempo
    in the stroke and not the upper body. When you want to swim
    faster, you think about kicking and core body rotation
    instead of arms. Larry also mentioned that his father told
    him, "your kick will bring you home." I'm starting to
    understand that a little in the pool. Your upper body cannot
    handle the stress of lactate in the blood. It just gets so
    tight. Legs are much better at handling that stress. When
    the chips are down, you can keep those babies pumping even
    as your arms feel like lead.

    Being an average sized male, I was buying into the theory
    that stroke rate with minimal kick was the way to go given
    that elite females often employ that strategy. But I'll
    never be as strong as Brooke Bennett. And elite male swimmer
    Erik Vendt is only 5'10" yet competes with the best because
    of a huge kick. I wasn't an age-grouper like Erik, which
    means my upper body will never match his. But when it comes
    to leg muscles, the playing field is much more level between
    him and me. We all share a few million years of development
    to run long distances at speed. Maybe it's better to try and
    apply that to swimming than bemoan the fact that I didn't
    start swimming seriously until I was 40 years old.

    Eric

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    So here's my point: working on a kick is a lot of fun
    because it's great to finally develop some "dark" muscle
    tissue - namely the lower body. That's a reference to
    Larry's oft quoted turkeys versus ducks. We have turkey
    breast meat up top which is white, non-vascular, low
    mitochondria, etc. If you were lucky enough to be an age
    group swimmer, then as a developing adolescent you spent
    thousands of hours in the pool, and all that work has
    developed an upper body musculature that a "johnny come
    lately" will just never match.

    But legs are different story! We all have God Given or
    evolutionarily developed lower bodies that helped us run
    down Ice Age Mammals. The large vital capicity of our
    heart and lungs are designed to feed those big, vascular
    muscles. So by all means, if your swim to kick ratio is
    anywhere near 1.5, I highly encourage people to work on a
    6-beat kick.

    snip

    Interestingly, I was an age group and college swimmer, but
    never one with a great kick. One thing I've developed as a
    masters swimmer, specifically for backstroke, is a strong
    kick. It came about completely by accident, as the woman I
    train with, a triathelete, always did long kick sets, she
    was a fantastic kicker, kind of like the Energizer bunny,
    just goes and goes, and I could never keep up. Well I hung
    in there and what a difference it made. Whereas I used to
    struggle to do 100s on 2:00, now we do 10 or 12 100s on
    1:40, holding
    1:25 to 1:30. Heck, we do 125s on 2:00! (yards of course! 🙂

    I swam with a new buddy the other day, also a pretty good
    swimmer and he gets his fins on for the 5 x 100 kick we're
    going to do and asks the interval, I say, 1:40, he says "but
    you don't have fins on!".

    Unless you specifically work your kick doing dedicated kick
    sets, it will never improve by just swimming alone.

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