Quite a life he has craved out for himself, I see he is STILL stalking me.
Poor Rich.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Andrew, If you want to make claims and use anecdotes or extrapolate
>from personal medical understandings, have at it.
>But your claim above about what you know regarding my father with
>Hulda and the other people I saw healed at her clinic has zero
>foundation .
First of all your claim that people were cured of terminal diseases is
anecdotal and unverifiable. You could have made it all up for all I
know. Has a peer reviewed journal EVER published a case of terminal
cancer being successfully treated by Hulda Clark's methods??
I have seen many people make many claims but when it comes down to
verifying any of it I have NEVER EVER seen verification. Just a lot of
incredible unverifiable claims.
Yes...Rich.
That's what I have - personal experiences and anecdotes when it comes
to Clark's program.
Yes I could have made it all up, but I didn't. That's where people get
into conversation about things.
I glanced at the intense questioning you wrote below.
It's like a machine gun and I'm supposed to address every single
little doubt and work hard for what?
Did I personally investigate EVERY case of terminal cancer?
Damn man.....I'm asking you to accept something on faith here first
and that is that this possibility exists. You're starting out that
everything that comes into this group is impossible. That's safe
thinking, but rather unreasonable for a group defined as Alternative.
Do the possibilities you mention completely eliminate what happened
with these people? Not at all
Could your possibilities be true? Sure....is it really that likely?
Not to me.
Quoted message said:>Peoples' bodies do not spontaneously heal themselves of terminal
>stomach cancer, massive liver tumors or triple brain tumors.
Oh, really. And you have personally investigated EVERY case of
terminal cancer to see if ANY have spontaneously healed?? Rarely there
have been remissions in terminal cancers that no one can explain. It
may be uncommon but it does occur. I happen to know someone who was
diagnosed with an incurable cancer and inexplicably she is still alive
six years later (having been given only months to live). Miracles do
happen sometime. OTOH maybe the diagnosis was incorrect. Who knows?
Secondly, as I said previously, other than your claim, there is no
verifiable evidence that what you say is true. I am quite skeptical.
And the fact that you continue to support Jan Drew, a pathologic liar,
makes me wonder about your own credibility. Birds of a feather and all
that.
Is there any post you will make that will not have Jan Drew's name in
it? This is the internet. It doesn't matter to me if you think I'm
credible or not. If you have any sense you'll assume not and then
decide if anything is worth investigating.
There isn't anything I'll take at face value in this group or even
published on a website.
People in this group make claims of amazing backgrounds. Doctors come
in here to argue for hours in a day? The friends I have who are
doctors are so busy that wasting their lives in here wouldn't leave
them time to even do gratis work. People come in here to post
dozens of messages in a day...just in this one NG....retorting to name
calling? Doesn't that appear pathological?
Get a grip and if we should happen to post together again, do your
best to respond without putting Jan Drew in your post.
Quoted message said:
> The
>people I saw at her clinic were all given up for dead by their
>respective doctors, so these people had chosen the last option they
>believed they had.
Did you talk to their doctors or see their medical records to see if
they really had been given up for dead??
No....I wasn't going to Canada or England or elsewhere in Mexico or to
hunt down other doctors in the US to prove that these people were
given terminal prognoses that drove them to Tijuana in the hopes that
they could spend uncomfortable weeks together. Would you have such
fortitude to consider that type of research when the reason you
arrived was to see your father not die?
I did see X-Rays in succession. The most enjoyable to me was watching
the 3 masses in that woman's brain slowly disappear.
Quoted message said:
>Your personal education doesn't supercede what all those trusted
>oncologists and medical doctors from the United States, Canada, Mexico
>and England diagnosed with these people.
Funny that we don't read about these miraculous recoveries in peer
reviewed journals. The most likely reason why is that they are
completely bogus.
It's not funny. You can't wrap yourself around what I told you
enough to think that just maybe, that just possibly there could be
something to this. Where's the basis for a peer reviewed journal?
Those studies don't accept anecdotes, but the people I know who have
have published are certainly open to discussing them.
You aren't. Everything unusual is quackery or stupidity until proven
otherwise. There is a big lesson in that. Take it or leave it.
Rich, you give up the obvious explain-aways but in the wrong order.
What you said above is one of the first things people say except,
those who aren't in medical jobs say "If it were true, then my doctor
would already know about it." Everyone but you is stupid and
deceived and everything there is to know on Earth appears in peer
reviewed journals or comes perfectly prepared for
misc.health.alternative.
You say you want proof. It isn't in the form you want and you may have
to go get it yourself. That's what I did with a few other methods
I've found tremendously valuable.
Clark's method is TOUGH. Following her program to get results is one
of the most disciplined efforts I've personally tried. I did it to
support my father.
Quoted message said:
>My father died last year at age 80yo, many years after his original
>surgeon wanted to remove his stomach. At his death he still had his
>stomach and was cancer free.
Did your father have an autopsy to confirm that he was cancer free??
Whew! I don't believe you asked me this.
About 5% of bodies in the US receive autopsies.
What you also missed, is that years went by from his original terminal
diagnosis to the point of his passing from an unrelated event. About
8 years.
My father had 13 or 14 doctors and eventually 2 surgeons finally
claimed he was cancer free. I said it was more than 12 because I lost
count after that. This wasn't a man who was hopping from one doctor
to the next for a convenient result. The doctors were disagreeing and
he wanted to have a concrete determination after he left Clark's
clinic.
Quoted message said:>
>You have a 'picture' of methods that don't resonate with you. I have
>more than a pic from the Net and I understand Clark's work. You can
>post your descriptions from labs and paperwork. I want the real life
>result.
Most people want real life results. Sadly one cannot rely on
unverifiable anecdotes by anonymous posters. If one does believe these
incredible claims then it just goes to prove that a fool is born every
day.
Sadly?
I didn't ask you to put your stamp of approval on Clark's work just
because I told you some anecdotes from my personal experiences with
her.
The only way the average person has to share this information is with
anecdotes. Reasonable skeptiscm is responsible thinking, but unbelief
makes you a fool.
The extreme demand for intense and expensive studies from everyone who
has something to say is damn laziness on your part.
You aren't going to get them and you aren't going to change the
anecdotes.
I think we would all like the big studies.
Wait for them and while you're waiting, should you get a diagnosis you
don't like, then remember the answers you gave to the other question I
had interest in. What would you do in that case?
It's at that moment that some people I've met like you, suddenly have
interest in anecdotes. The anecdotes will still be there. Some will
be true and some will be false. Throw them all out if you want.
It's just that at that moment, it's tough to create a Plan B.
Shaka,
Mike
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Aloha,
Rich
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