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Determining Lactate Threshold HR (LTHR)?

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  1. As recommended by Joe Friel (among many others), I attempt to conduct
    physiological tests several times throughout the training calendar.
    One of the measures I have difficulty determining, in particular, is
    lactate threshold heart rate. Since I don't have access to expensive
    lab facilities or equipment to measure power output, the best method I
    have available is a 30-minute TT (while marking HR and PE). In
    general, the method suggests riding at the highest sustainable HR for
    about 30 minutes. Supposedly, the average HR achieved over last 20
    minutes is a good estimate of your LTHR. Admittedly, I have relatively
    weak anaerobic endurance so I'm not a very good time-trialer.
    Therefore, don't compete in any TT events. Its brand of suffering just
    isn't any fun for me. So I usually attempt this test without the
    motivation of competition. Consequently, 158-160 bpm is the highest
    average HR I can seem to achieve. However, this result doesn't seem to
    agree with a couple other methods that have been suggested to me.

    One method is to use the results of an in-race criterium. Naturally, a
    criterium requires varying degrees of intensity, depending upon
    whether I'm pulling, bridging a gap, sitting-in, or recovering off the
    back. Occasionally, I'll use a crit as an interval session.
    Consequently, depending upon a given effort, my HR will fall somewhere
    between 150-180bpm. During a rare attempt at a prime- or field sprint,
    I will hit my MaxHR of 192. Although I'm suffering during the entire
    race, my average HR is about 172bpm (depending on a number of
    variables) and it is also about where I begin feel a sudden
    accumulation of lactate (intense quad pain) and feel the physiological
    trigger to back off. My average cadence is about 90-95rpm. I usually
    warm up for about 20-30 minutes of moderate spinning before the race.
    Since I usually use crits as a training session, I usually finish
    somewhere in the middle of a 35-40 man pack.

    Another method that has been suggested is to use my average HR on a
    long hard climb. Since I live near the Laurel Highlands of
    Pennsylvania, there are plenty of routes that consist of 2-3 mile
    climbs with varying grades of slope (sometimes as much as 20%). The
    average gradient is 8-10% on most climbs lasting about 15-25 minutes.
    I frequently alternate between sitting and climbing out of the saddle.
    My average cadence is about 65-70rpm. I usually hit one of these
    climbs during the course of a 3-hour endurance ride, so I'm pretty
    well warmed up (if not reaching exhaustion). Again, my average HR will
    be about 172-175bpm (usually at the lower end on a later climb,
    ironically). And again, 172bpm is about where I feel the need to back
    off.

    My question is which result I can trust as a good estimate of my LTHR?

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, Jim A

    Quoted message said:

    As recommended by Joe Friel (among many others), I attempt to conduct
    physiological tests several times throughout the training calendar....

    Quoted message said:

    Occasionally, I'll use a crit as an interval session.
    Consequently, depending upon a given effort, my HR will fall somewhere
    between 150-180bpm. During a rare attempt at a prime- or field sprint,
    I will hit my MaxHR of 192. Although I'm suffering during the entire
    race, my average HR is about 172bpm

    Your training ride LTHR is probably 5-8bpm lower than this if you were
    to remove the affects of racing-induced adrenalin.

    Quoted message said:

    Another method that has been suggested is to use my average HR on a
    long hard climb. ... Again, my average HR will
    be about 172-175bpm (usually at the lower end on a later climb,
    ironically). And again, 172bpm is about where I feel the need to back
    off.

    Again, your training LTHR (on the flat) is probably 4-6 bpm lower
    because you're using your upper body, etc. on the climb and this will
    also raise your HR.

    Based on your two measurements it sounds like something around 168bpm
    will be close enough. Remember that your daily HR at LT will vary
    slightly because of fatigue, heat, humidity, duration of the training
    session, etc.

    -WG

  3. Warren,

    This is quite helpful. Thanks.

    Jim

    warren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Jim A

    Quoted message said:

    As recommended by Joe Friel (among many others), I attempt to conduct
    physiological tests several times throughout the training calendar....

    Quoted message said:

    Occasionally, I'll use a crit as an interval session.
    Consequently, depending upon a given effort, my HR will fall somewhere
    between 150-180bpm. During a rare attempt at a prime- or field sprint,
    I will hit my MaxHR of 192. Although I'm suffering during the entire
    race, my average HR is about 172bpm

    Your training ride LTHR is probably 5-8bpm lower than this if you were
    to remove the affects of racing-induced adrenalin.

    Quoted message said:

    Another method that has been suggested is to use my average HR on a
    long hard climb. ... Again, my average HR will
    be about 172-175bpm (usually at the lower end on a later climb,
    ironically). And again, 172bpm is about where I feel the need to back
    off.

    Again, your training LTHR (on the flat) is probably 4-6 bpm lower
    because you're using your upper body, etc. on the climb and this will
    also raise your HR.

    Based on your two measurements it sounds like something around 168bpm
    will be close enough. Remember that your daily HR at LT will vary
    slightly because of fatigue, heat, humidity, duration of the training
    session, etc.

    -WG

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