Defect for free on google video !?

you cant report it unless your a google member or something, or at least
it wouldnt let me?

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Quoted message said:

So from now on everyone here will respect copyright laws in making
their
own videos and no longer use music without previous consent from the
originator?

As long as I don't sell my video and I give them credit, I don't need
to. However, if I do decide to make a video for profit (and fail
miserably) I'd be sure to get their permission, or find another artist.

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Quoted message said:

So from now on everyone here will respect copyright laws in making
their
own videos and no longer use music without previous consent from the
originator?

All the music in Defect (and the preceeding Universe videos) is 100%
legal, and was used with permission.

monkeyman said:

As long as I don't sell my video and I give them credit, I don't need
to.

That doesn't sound right. Make video? Yes. Display video on the Web?
Probably not, but I don't think record companies would take any legal
action.

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johnfoss said:

That doesn't sound right. Make video? Yes. Display video on the Web?
Probably not, but I don't think record companies would take any legal
action.

I'm doing some research on it right now....'this'
(http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#elvis) is quite
possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen on a government website.
I can't find anything specific on using songs in movies, but from the
sound of, they're pretty strict about what you can/can't do with
copyrighted material. Or at least, the laws are strict. Since they
aren't going after schools for showing movies for entertainment, We're
probably ok with putting songs in movies (as long as you don't sell
them).

To Dan Heaton: Have you 'registered'
(http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-infringement.html) a copyright?
It might not be necessary, but it would probably help a huuuuge amount.

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Two comments:
1) Those of you who downloaded 'Defect' from Google, delete it right
now, go out and buy 2 copies to atone for your sins and give one to a
friend.

2) Dan, if you don't get immediate satisfaction from Google on having
this removed from their site, talk to a lawyer. It should be really
easy to find a very good lawyer willing to take on Google since they
are known to have very deep pockets. They have their own team of very
good lawyers but you have copyright protection and ARE in the right.

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I just got an email back from google and here it is:

Hi,

Thanks for your email. We respect the rights and the tremendous efforts
of
intellectual property holders, publishers, and all other contributors
to
creative works. We work directly with content providers to ensure that
Google Video is consistent with those principles.

Please know that we are unable to remove videos without proper
documentation and due process. If you are able to contact the
copyright
owner, you may encourage he or she to fill out a complaint available
at
http://www.google.com/video_dmca.html.

Thanks for taking the time to write us and we appreciate your concern.

Sincerely,

The Google Video Team

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Sounds like a standard copy and paste answer to me.

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monkeyman said:

As long as I don't sell my video and I give them credit, I don't need
to. However, if I do decide to make a video for profit (and fail
miserably) I'd be sure to get their permission, or find another artist.

I'm certain that this is not true, from a legal standpoint. You have to
have permission to publish something created by another entity, unless
it's a small part of it that's being shown under the "fair use" clause
(which allows a teacher, for instance, to copy and distribute a few
pages from a book for a class, but doesn't allow the teacher to copy
and distribute the whole book).

If you're looking for music to use in a video, try looking at the
'podsafe music network' (http://music.podshow.com/). This lets you find
cool music by artists who want the publicity of being included in a
podcast or video. Everybody wins.

And while I'm certainly living in a house of glass that's as full of
cracks as anybody's, I think that this is an ethical issue that we
shouldn't treat so dismissively. If I make a video with the song
"Trogdor" as the soundtrack, I'd probably think it's pretty cool, but
the Brothers Chaps might want to sue my ass for the same reasons Dan is
(quite rightly) incensed about some douchebag putting "Defect" on
Google video. This makes me uncomfortable, because I tend to think of
these things in pretty gray terms (for instance, seeing the song usage
as relatively minor, but the dvd upload as a big infraction), while US
copyright laws are undoubtedly black and white. I need to be more
careful and thoughtful about this issue myself, because I often use
ripped mp3s as intros to the audio files and lectures I create for my
students.

Damned ethics.

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Yeah, but as long as I'm not making any money, or costing them any
money, I don't think anyone would care.

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monkeyman said:

Yeah, but as long as I'm not making any money, or costing them any
money, I don't think anyone would care.

No, they care, but that's because from their view they did lose money,
even if they didn't. If you give someone the opportunity to get a free
copy of the song, then the copyright holders do care about the lost
sales that they claim resulted from these listeners that did not buy
the music. They can go after you for lost revenue, even if you made
nothing on it. On the other hand, you might be able to get away with it
if you incorporate or create an LLC. But that's just exploiting bad
laws.

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My two cents worth...

To be perfectly honest, google video/youtube is probably the only way I
will ever get to watch Defect or any other uni trials vids for that
matter. It's just not worthwhile to have to pay for shipping (provided
there is a shipping option to where I am - Singapore - to begin with).
Yes, it's copyright violation and filmmakers are not making money from
it but to me and probably people in most countries where unicycling is
not popular at all, it's either we watch vids on the net or not at all.
Either way, no one gets paid for any goods.

I'd like to suggest having a downloadable option though. I really don't
mind paying a sum of money (less than the cost of the packaged DVD of
course) to be able to burn my own DVD for watching instead of having to
go through the hassle of shipping and whatnot. And considering that the
community here comes from all over the world, I'm sure I won't be the
only one who'd appreciate that.

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Gilby said:

you incorporate or create an LLC. But that's just exploiting bad laws.

I googled it, but I couldn't find anything. What is that?

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monkeyman said:

I googled it, but I couldn't find anything. What is that?

Limited Liability Corporation. Many organizations form these to limit
their liabilities in case they're sued. Next time you're at the
doctor's office, look to see if s/he's part of a medical group--most
are--and almost all have those initials, LLC, after them. I don't know
much about them, but do know that in the past 10 years or so, those
initials crop up all over the place.

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fluxusmaximus said:

To be perfectly honest, google video/youtube is probably the only way I
will ever get to watch Defect or any other uni trials vids for that
matter.

There's a big difference between Defect and most other uni trials vids.
Most are produced for virtually no money, as hobby projects, and
uploaded by their creators for all to see and copy. Defect was produced
at great time and expense, expressly for the purpose of being one of
the best available unicycle videos ever made, not to be given away for
free. I'm sure either Dan or one of the resellers of the DVD will ship
to Singapore if you ask.

Quoted message said:

I'd like to suggest having a downloadable option though.

Do you need contact information for Syko Productions? That's the place
to make the request. He might be interested, but probably not because
it would be too easy for someone to take a downloaded copy and do what
someone else has already done with a very-compressed version... :p

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I have the Defect DVD on order... so I may not even look at these clips
and just wait to see it properly in good resolution.

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r464 said:

I have the Defect DVD on order... so I may not even look at these clips
and just wait to see it properly in good resolution.

Just wait, the DVD is so much better, and bigger! lol

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ntappin said:

We respect the rights and the tremendous efforts of
intellectual property holders, publishers, and all other contributors
to
creative works. We work directly with content providers to ensure
that
Google Video is consistent with those principles.

Apparently not the case !! Otherwise this particular content would
never have gotten on there.

ntappin said:

Please know that we are unable to remove videos without proper
documentation and due process. If you are able to contact the
copyright
owner, you may encourage he or she to fill out a complaint available
at
http://www.google.com/video_dmca.html.

This seems more than a little bit backwards to me. Shouldn't they be
unable to ADD videos without proper documentation and due process?

I'm tellin' ya, a good lawyer could have a field day with this.

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underdog said:

This seems more than a little bit backwards to me. Shouldn't they be
unable to ADD videos without proper documentation and due process?

I'm tellin' ya, a good lawyer could have a field day with this.

To expedite the posting of the message you uploaded to the
unicyclist.com website, please sign, fax and notorize a document
including the following:

- Identify in sufficient detail the message that you posted.
- Provide sufficient information for us to contact you.
- Include the following statement: \"I have a good faith belief that
content posted is authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or
the law.\"
- Include the following statement: \"I swear, under penalty of
perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and
that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of
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Now that Defect is available on Google video, Myspace and Facebook users
are able to embed the video on their pages... so the "stolen" video is
now appearing on more sites than Google.

See, for example:
http://www.myspace.com/unicycleclub
http://www.myspace.com/uni4god

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I would also prefer to purchase a digital copy of Defect and other
unifilms, since I consider physical disks and plastic cases a waste of
space and resources.

I respect copyright to the best of my knowledge, which means to me that
I won't watch unifilms that violate copyright. That doesn't leave
many.

But, there are large collections of creative commons or other open
license released music available. For some examples see
http://legaltorrents.com/ or the CChits group (
http://www.last.fm/group/CCHits/connections ) or purchase an
inexpensive license to use some of the music from
http://www.magnatune.com/ (Brad Sucks is awesome).

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