Death by driving: public consultation open on sentencing

[Call me Bob]

Pinched from today's entry at the excellent magistrates blog

http://thelawwestofealingbroadway.blogspot.com/

"The Sentencing Guidelines Council has a consultation going on about
the treatment of drivers who cause death. The consultation is open
until April. I shall reply, and I hope that some of you will as well."

Seems they are seeking public opinion on this issue, thought the group
might like to know.

Sentencing Guidlines website is here:

http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/index.html


Specific death by driving offences consultation paper is here:

http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/Cons-2007-01-09.pdf

"Bob"
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[naked_draughtsman]

On Jan 29, 7:27 pm, Call me Bob <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Pinched from today's entry at the excellent magistrates blog
>
> http://thelawwestofealingbroadway.blogspot.com/
>
> "The Sentencing Guidelines Council has a consultation going on about
> the treatment of drivers who cause death. The consultation is open
> until April. I shall reply, and I hope that some of you will as well."
>
> Seems they are seeking public opinion on this issue, thought the group
> might like to know.

The consultation paper is a bit long, but at the start it says:

"In cases where the driving was grossly negligent as to causing death,
it may be appropriate to charge manslaughter, with a maximum
sentence of life imprisonment;"

How do you define grossly negligent? Driving without sleeping for
over 24 hours? Driving on ice at speed with bald tyres?

peter

 

[M-gineering]

naked_draughtsman wrote:
Driving on ice at speed with bald tyres?
On ice a bald tyre gives superior traction and controlability over a
fully threaded one. But you don't want to get caught out in the rain.



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[[email protected]]

On 30 Jan, 08:54, M-gineering <[email protected]> wrote:
> naked_draughtsman wroteriving on ice at speed with bald tyres?
> On ice a bald tyre gives superior traction and controlability over a
> fully threaded one. But you don't want to get caught out in the rain.

Do you have a pointer to any supporting documentation?

The above assertion does seem quite possible in cold
temperatures where the ice is not being melted
however it seems rather unlikely to me
in typical UK road ice conditions of close to 0C and
quite possibly with free water already on the surface.

 

[M-gineering]

[email protected] wrote:
>
> On 30 Jan, 08:54, M-gineering <[email protected]> wrote:
>> naked_draughtsman wroteriving on ice at speed with bald tyres?
>> On ice a bald tyre gives superior traction and controlability over a
>> fully threaded one. But you don't want to get caught out in the rain.
>
> Do you have a pointer to any supporting documentation?
>
> The above assertion does seem quite possible in cold
> temperatures where the ice is not being melted
> however it seems rather unlikely to me
> in typical UK road ice conditions of close to 0C and
> quite possibly with free water already on the surface.
>
>
Maybe I was a bit to quick. I've been wading through Reimpel,
Fahrwerktechnik which gives a frictioncoefficient of 0.1 for tyres with
90% thread and 0.07 for tyres with 1 mm at 0 degrees C on ice.
Also interesting is that at higher speeds the coefficient of friction
decreases


At -10C the friction is restored to 0.4 at -25 it is nearly normal with 0.7!


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[Tony Raven]

M-gineering wrote on 30/01/2007 20:04 +0100:
>
> Maybe I was a bit to quick. I've been wading through Reimpel,
> Fahrwerktechnik which gives a frictioncoefficient of 0.1 for tyres with
> 90% thread and 0.07 for tyres with 1 mm at 0 degrees C on ice.
> Also interesting is that at higher speeds the coefficient of friction
> decreases
>

Perhaps someone should tell the North Wales Police that.

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