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  1. Dogs always go for me too.
    I ride in the woods where dogs are never on a lead and they're
    generally bigger than their owners!

    I ride a 24" muni, so I don't know if this will apply to your 36" but I
    generally just slow right down and maybe idle for while to give the
    owner a chance to call them back. I learnt when I used to MTB that if a
    dog looks like it wants to give chase then you should just slow down or
    stop before they feel like the game has begun. As wheel rider pointed
    out, as soon as you get off the wheel calmly, the dog backs down.
    They're probably just wanting to play.
    So far on the muni they've never gotten beyond barking at my wheel,
    where I do my best not to watch them, they'll go around the back and
    that's a quick route to an UPD. My motto is just keep going slowly
    forward, if you can't see them you won't hit them.

    The simple fact is that when a dog attacks it means it. A bark is a
    warning (and you will know it), but if you get bitten by a German
    Shepherd, and it doesn't properly maul you, then it was playing and
    there's no need for mace. If it's not playing, then good luck getting
    your mace out and aiming and getting in a good shot before it does you
    some real damage.

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  2. I looked on line at the "dazer" that Jim mentioned. It sounded good so
    I bought one. I will be carrying it with me for a long time. I am
    looking forward to it coming in and I can try it out. There is a pack
    of three that ALWAYS chase me but I have got to know them and they are
    all bark but there is a new duo that were pups but have now come into
    their own and do not know when to let up. I need to set them straight
    fast! They are getting BIG! It really bothers me to think there are
    places I don't ride because of the loose animals. I am not a uni-stud
    like you guys, my top speed is probably 12mph so I really can't outrun
    them.

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  3. Joseppi said:

    Absolutely! When an unrestrained dog sees me, it always chases me down,
    but I've never been knocked off (I've had a few close calls). All I
    really do to deter them is make eye contact with them while riding and
    make all kinds of hissing noises. As long as you make yourself out to
    look threatening, they'll back down eventually without risking any real
    physical contact with you. At least that's been my experience so far.

    If I remember correctly, making eye contact with a mean/vicious dog,
    especially a dominant male dog, is considered by the dog to be a major
    threat and could result in a serious assault from the dog. Eye contact
    should be avoided unless you think you are meaner than the dog.

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  4. maestro8 said:

    The mace is to prevent injury to the rider. If you're being attacked,
    why perform some unproven martial arts using your unicycle as a weapon,
    when you know a quick squirt of mace will do the trick?

    Lawsuits are a moot point. If you're being attacked, you have the
    right to defend yourself. If anything, you're preventing lawsuits
    against the dog owner.

    In my experience with dogs, dismounting the unicycle gives 'em an
    easier shot at my legs. I've only been bitten once, but that was
    enough for me.

    If you are being attacked, do you have the ability and presence of mind
    to maintain control of your unicycle while trying to dodge a vicious
    dog, avoid pot holes and bumps in the road, miss parked cars, dig the
    mace out of your pocket and aim at a moving target? A lot happens in a
    hurry. The unicycle is not to be used as a weapon but as a defensive
    shield between you and the dog.

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  5. I've had numerous unleashed dogs come running and barking towards me,
    some menacing, and I always dismount. They immediately realize I'm
    human and not some new strange animal riding on one wheel. I do put the
    uni between me and the dog, just in case, but I've never had one decide
    to keep barking after I dismount. Most dogs are very well behaved, and
    will not just randomly start attacking a human. One thing I've noticed
    is that dogs are much less likely to start barking at you if you are
    riding with another unicyclist. Somehow they don't feel as threatened,
    or are feeling outnumbered, either way, I don't have to dismount in
    these cases.

    I think when dogs are out walking with their owners, they are not going
    to attack you once they realize you are a human. This is probably true
    with most dogs protecting their property as well. I think mace is
    rarely the appropriate answer.

    I can't imagine a bear interrupting my uni ride - nice work
    Saskatchewanian!

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  6. Dogs are intelligent animals, and their behaviour is usually predictable
    and manageable. Unicyclists are intelligent animals, and their
    behaviour is usually self-manageable. There is no need for all this
    gung ho [censored] about using mace spray and unijitsu.

    Dogs are motivated by territorial considerations and by dominance
    within the pack. They will also hunt, play and mate. It is a simple
    life, and preferable to working in an office.

    Never approach an unknown dog that is on its own territory. Especially
    if it is behind a gate, or on a chain, it will be even more territorial
    than usual. Never reach over or through a gate or fence to a dog you
    do not know and trust.

    On the other hand, if you act like you have a right to be there, and
    behave confidently and are "dismissive but friendly" towards the dog,
    there will not normally be a problem if you do enter a dog's
    territory.

    If a dog is on a lead, it will act more territorially. It will also be
    more likely to jump up or be aggressive because it can feel vulnerable.
    (A loose dog will often feel dominant over a dog on a lead and may
    attack it.)

    Never ride close to a dog that is on a lead. There is no need to do
    so.

    If it is a narrow path, make yourself known to the dog and to the
    owner, well in advance. Communicate. Dogs can "understand" simple
    words and tones of voice. So can some dog owners.

    If the owner knows you are there, they will usually restrain the dog if
    they think it is necessary; they know their dog. Most owners are not
    completely irresponsible idiots; in fact, most are over cautious,
    fondly beleiving that their little Fifi is a slavering hound. They are
    out walking their dogs because they like dogs. And mostly they won't
    be reckless about exposing themselves to the risk of litigation,
    either.

    If you see a dog ahead on your route, make sure it knows you are there.
    Click your tongue, whistle, or say, "Good dog". Act and sound like a
    friendly human. Don't try to befriend the dog or make a fuss of it;
    just sound friendly and unthreatening.

    Never ever ride between an owner and the dog (especially if the dog is
    on a lead!🙄 ) as this may make the dog run to defend its
    owner. Never ever go close to children who are in the same party as
    the dog, because the dog will defend them.

    Even big dogs (Rotties, Alsatians, etc.) will usually back down if you
    speak to them either firmly and confidently, or disparagingly. A
    simple, "Get down you daft bugger" or "No!" will usually do the trick.
    Dogs hate to be patronised. It confuses them and they get embarrassed
    and back down.

    Remember that the dog has probably met very few unicyclists in its
    life. All it sees is a strange fast moving thing that may either be
    fun to play with, or a threat, or good to hunt. Your job is to clarify
    in the dog's mind that you are in fact a good-natured and unthreatening
    human being who is higher than it in the pack order.

    If a dog comes running towards you, and the above tactics don't work,
    then dismount. This does two things:

    - It eliminates the risk of you falling off and becoming "vulnerable
    prey" on the ground.
    - It turns you into a conventional human being shape - a shape that
    the dog can understand. (Many dogs do not have very good vision.
    They hunt largely by sense of smell.)

    Once you are dismounted, place the unicycle betyween you and the dog,
    with the wheel sideways on. It will look like a solid barrier to the
    dog. Continue to speak confidently and firmly. If there is an owner
    nearby, do not be aggressive; the dog will react to the tone, and its
    instinct will be to defend its own pack.

    If necessary, walk rather than ride until the dog is no longer a
    threat.

    Strangely, most dogs will "forget" about you once you are past them.
    Dogs are curious animals, and will be looking for the next interesting
    smell.

    Never try to hurt the dog. If you succeed, you end up with a potential
    legal hassle (whether you win or lose) and anyway, it isn't the dog's
    fault. It is only doing what dogs do, and it isn't the dog's fault if
    it hasn't been properly trained.

    Dogs have been part of human society for thousands of years.
    Unicycling is a very new sport. Don't be arrogant. Be prepared to
    give way.

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  7. Wheel Rider said:

    If you are being attacked, do you have the ability and presence of mind
    to maintain control of your unicycle while trying to dodge a vicious
    dog, avoid pot holes and bumps in the road, miss parked cars, dig the
    mace out of your pocket and aim at a moving target?

    The mace should be holstered on a belt, much like a handgun, in order
    for it to be easily accessible. Should an attack occur, hop off the
    uni and squirt the dog... it can all be done in one fluid motion.

    You're making it sound like one would transition wheelwalk while
    removing their Camelbak, unzipping it and digging around in the bottom
    for something... while the dog is running in a zig-zag pattern some
    distance away from you... that's quite absurd.

    In reality, the dog will be at your feet by the time you react.
    There's no need to take careful aim. Mace is a spray, not a bullet.

    Quoted message said:

    The unicycle is not to be used as a weapon but as a defensive shield
    between you and the dog.

    That would require you keep a hand or two on the unicycle. How are you
    supposed to defend yourself without the use of both hands?

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  8. Of course, if none of that is macho enough, if a dog bites you, you
    could go and bomb someone else's kennels, with no real plans for
    rebuilding them after you've claimed victory. For Christ sake, it's
    that sort of macho [censored] that causes half the world's problems.

    Problem is, understanding and restraint are far too much like hard
    work, it seems.

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  9. Mikefule said:

    *Most* Dogs are intelligent animals, and their behaviour is usually
    predictable and manageable *in the hands of a responsible owner*.

    FTFY.

    There are too many idiots with dogs in the US. I don't trust a single
    one, dog or owner.

    Mikefule said:

    it's that sort of macho [censored] that *differentiates between an incident
    and a mauling*

    FTFY, too.

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  10. Perhaps I just have a better rapport with dogs than most of you but I
    really never had all the problems you guys describe. I do run into dogs
    a fair amount but they never really bother me. Perhaps it is because I
    grew up with large hunting dogs. I have only been bit once, and I
    deserved it (accidentally stepping on the tail of a sleeping dog with
    work boots on).

    I agree with everything that Mikefule wrote with the possible exception
    of whistling at dogs. Our dogs are trained to obey hand signals, spoken
    commands and whistles. When whistling at a dog you might not know what
    you are telling it to do.

    Many dogs will run right up to you but this does not mean that they
    will attack; they might if you turn to run or start swinging at it.
    DON’T pepper spray a dog just because it is coming towards you, this
    could warp the dogs perception of humans and ruin its training. Just
    stay calm and confident and it will probably leave you alone.

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  11. Dealing with dogs?

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  12. THE PITBULL IS A CHEAT!!! :p

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  13. I think dogs are always interresting; how they respond (or not).
    Anyway, a tip for dealing with small dogs (who for some reason by
    default tend to respond faster and firmer than larger dogs):
    *unicycle with your toes down, so that the doggy only sees the
    upperside of your feet*....
    otherwise the pedaling movement may be mistaken for a kicking move.

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  14. saskatchewanian said:

    Just stay calm and confident and it will probably leave you alone.

    Ooooh kay... maybe you know something I don't, but I don't see how
    confidence will help during a dog attack...

    ...the only thing I have confidence in is the fact that a dogs teeth
    can break my skin.

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  15. a water bottle always works, just squirt them in the face and they'll
    run off

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  16. maestro8 said:

    Ooooh kay... maybe you know something I don't, but I don't see how
    confidence will help during a dog attack...

    ...the only thing I have confidence in is the fact that a dogs teeth
    can break my skin.

    There is no question that a dog can sense fear, excitement, confidence,
    etc. in a human. I have seen dogs become hostile simply because the
    person they went to investigate was scared of dogs.

    I have been able to control dogs that their owners had no control of
    because I used an authoritative voice and showed confidence expecting
    to be obeyed where the owner was timidly asking the dog not to do
    something and to go back to the car. If a dog will listen to a stranger
    and not its owner because he/she shows more confidence/authority then I
    say yes it definitely makes a difference.

    I could see how if you are scared of dogs this might be hard for you,
    especially when the dog knows you are scared.

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  17. 'homemade taser?' (http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/181/48/)

    i have a feeling when we did it we just pulled the flash out and the
    wires to that did the shocking. that seems much more complicated. i
    mite be wrong though

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  18. Riding my 36er on a quite gravel road I approached a house some 50-75
    metres away from the road. A dachshund came out from the house and out
    on the road. It ran against me att full speed. At first I found the
    little thing amusing but the dog didn't stop. It came straight towards
    me and when it was only inches away from the tyre the dog quickly
    throwed itself to the side and jumped up in the air and bit my leg. I
    continued riding 50 metres but then had to stop and check my leg. It
    hurt and there was a semi circle pattern of holes where the dachshund
    had bitten me.

    On previous occations I have managed to get out of tricky situations
    meeting dogs both when riding bicycles and wandering. I always told
    myself that the secret is to establish some sort of communication with
    the dog. One has to 'listen' as much to oneself as to the dog. But this
    dachshund just ran up and bite me for no apparent reason.

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  19. Mikefule said:

    Dogs are intelligent animals, and their behaviour is usually predictable
    and manageable. .

    Some useful knowledge there Mike. But I confess that I don't like
    dogs at all, they do worry me, and I like to keep them at a runway's
    length. ( I don't like cats either but STOL is fine for them).
    Weird really because I am totally happy with snakes, lizards, beetles,
    cockroaches, spiders and anything else with an extravagant number of
    legs.

    Your post still contained a few too many instances of "usually" and
    most dogs" to allay my fears about dogs. There are far too many dogs
    in the UK, as with computers there is no need for more than about five
    or six.
    I best like those dogs that have their owners on a short leash,
    preferably whilst comfortably seated in front of their idiot box.

    But for the moment: do those high pitched whistles actually work as a
    deterrant? What do postmen use? Not interested in Mace, except
    perhaps the medieval version. ;-)

    Nao

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  20. Mikefule said:

    Dogs are intelligent animals, and their behaviour is usually predictable
    and manageable. .

    Some useful knowledge there Mike. But I confess that I don't like
    dogs at all, they do worry me, and I like to keep them at a runway's
    length. ( I don't like cats either but STOL is fine for them).
    Weird really because I am totally happy with snakes, lizards, beetles,
    cockroaches, spiders and anything else with an extravagant number of
    legs.

    Your post still contained a few too many instances of "usually" and
    most dogs" to allay my fears about dogs. There are far too many dogs
    in the UK, as with computers there is no need for more than about five
    or six.
    I best like those dogs that have their owners on a short leash,
    preferably whilst comfortably seated in front of their idiot box.

    But for the moment: do those high pitched whistles actually work as a
    deterrant? What do postmen use? Not interested in Mace, except
    perhaps the medieval version. ;-)

    Nao

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