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  1. cupra said:
    wafflycat said:

    "Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    >I hope they throw the book at him. What sort of person spoils for a
    >fight having just killed a complete stranger?
    >
    >

    My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured,
    heard the driver say ************. Probably explains his
    behaviour. I hope the law deals with him fully and appropriately. My
    husband spent the rest of the day in clothes soaked in blood from
    the incident. Maybe if the driver had had to do that it would have
    brought home to him what he had done.
    Jo

    I hope your son informs the police of what he heard the driver say.

    Ditto - and remember that it'll soon be sub-judice....


    I believe the remark was actually made to a police officer.
    Jo

  2. On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:14:43 +0100 someone who may be "wafflycat"
    <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    http://bikereader.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=23c7dfd04f1357965753f70f7ebc16d0&topic=17761.30

    All very sad.

    Not being a member I wanted to add a little more to the other
    messages to the first aider who felt inadequate. If anyone is a
    member of the above they can copy this there if they want.

    Even the most highly trained and experienced people can experience
    that sort of thing from time to time. It is a good sign, it means
    you are human. The railways have always had a very large voluntary
    first aid movement, for obvious reasons. This includes a series of
    fierce competitions, in which the most trained and experienced teams
    fight it out to the final.

    One year the final was held at Derby Midland station, probably in
    the late 1970s but the person who told me about it din't tell me the
    date. After the initial part of the competition, inside the station
    buildings, they were told that they were to go out onto the
    platform, where there was an "incident" for them to deal with. They
    assumed it was probably a collapsed passenger.

    In fact the organisers had used a man with a wooden leg as the
    "victim" of the "incident", with him lying on one side of a rail and
    his leg lying on the other, as if severed by the wheels of a train.
    As the first aiders emerged from the building a locomotive drew away
    from the platform to reveal the "scene" on the line, complete with
    much screaming and huge amounts of "blood".

    One or two fainted and a few more were sick. However, they all
    rapidly regained their composure and carried on dealing with the
    "incident". Most people can do the most extraordinary things when
    they have to. It is only when there is time to think that they may
    think they have failed.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  3. wafflycat said:

    "Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured, heard the
    driver say he had 'had a couple'. Probably explains his behaviour.

    I hope your son informs the police of what he heard the driver say.

    I think we can take it as read that he will have been tested for
    alcohol. A very well done to those cyclists at the scene who seem to
    have dealt with it very well, giving first aid to the victim and
    holding the driver without unnecessary violence.

    --
    Dave...

  4. On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:16:18 GMT, Jo <[email hidden]> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured, heard
    the driver say he had 'had a couple'. Probably explains his behaviour.

    Pass the bolt croppers, please.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

  5. Just zis Guy, you know? wrote on 10/07/2006 13:21 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:16:18 GMT, Jo <[email hidden]> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured, heard
    the driver say he had 'had a couple'. Probably explains his behaviour.

    Pass the bolt croppers, please.

    I have a dull, rusty jagged edged knife you should use. Bolt croppers
    is too clean and fast for this case

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci

  6. "David Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:01:47 GMT someone who may be "david lloyd"
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    By using the term 'accident' the media are prejudging any investigation.


    I

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    believe we should use the term 'incident' and pressurise the media to do


    the

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    same.

    I agree, but would substitute the word crash. Simple and clear.

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    North Wales incident was called an accident, but the car was later found


    to

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    be unroadworthy.

    Has that been shown? The BBC article was not clear and may have
    referred to an inspection many months after the crash, as was
    pointed out here.

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    The incident on the A6 where the young lad was run down by
    a tractor was called an accident, but it turned out that the tractor


    driver

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    did not have right of way.

    Any reference to that? I don't doubt you, but had not heard that
    before.

    I read these follow-ups on the BBC news web site. I'm not surprised that you
    haven't heard them, they weren't featured in the live news broadcasts. I
    suppose it is because the follow up does not have the same attention
    grabbing quality of the original shock-horror, despite it being equally
    newsworthy. IMHO, a report is not complete without the follow-up. It is like
    telling a story and stopping half way through.

    --
    Dave Lloyd
    So open minded, my brains dribbled out.

  7. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    david lloyd wrote on 10/07/2006 08:01 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    I hope you don't think that I mean to criticise, as I need your help on
    this, but I think the term 'accident' should be held until the whole
    circumstances come to light. I think it should only be used when events


    are

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    prooved to be truely accidental, not when some driver has neglected


    their

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    responsibility towards the safety of others.

    "A 62-year-old man from Waltham Abbey, Essex, arrested on suspicion of
    causing death by dangerous driving was released on bail pending further
    inquiries"
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/5162602.stm

    --
    Tony

    Well caught, Tony. This is why I won't call it an accident. Causing death by
    dangerous driving is not an accident, it is willful neglect. It won't be an
    accident until the man is prosecuted and found not guilty. Up till then, it
    is an incident, or, as others would have it, simply a crash.

    --
    Dave Lloyd
    So open minded, my brains dribbled out.

  8. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    david lloyd wrote on 10/07/2006 08:01 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    I hope you don't think that I mean to criticise, as I need your help on
    this, but I think the term 'accident' should be held until the whole
    circumstances come to light. I think it should only be used when events
    are
    prooved to be truely accidental, not when some driver has neglected


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    responsibility towards the safety of others.

    "A 62-year-old man from Waltham Abbey, Essex, arrested on suspicion of
    causing death by dangerous driving was released on bail pending further
    inquiries"
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/5162602.stm

    There's loads of info over at acf

    see


    http://bikereader.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=23c7dfd04f1357965753f70f7ebc16d0&topic=17761.30

    Quoted message said:


    Seems the driver tried do a runner.. but was stopped from driving off by
    others at the scene.

    A truly awful incident. I hope the driver has the legal book thrown at him
    for attempting to leave the scene.

    Condolences to the family & friends of the person killed.

    helen s


    What's the bet that it is called misadventure, because the cyclists decided
    to ride overnight, which may be considered an unusual act?

    --
    Dave Lloyd
    So open minded, my brains dribbled out.

  9. "david lloyd" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
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    What's the bet that it is called misadventure, because the cyclists decided
    to ride overnight, which may be considered an unusual act?

    Hopefully low, given that the crash occurred about an hour into a ride,
    when 'ordinary' people would still be up and about.

    If the crash had happened in the wee small hours they could get away
    with it :-(

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  10. On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:24:59 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? wrote on 10/07/2006 13:21 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:16:18 GMT, Jo <[email hidden]> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured, heard
    the driver say he had 'had a couple'. Probably explains his behaviour.

    Pass the bolt croppers, please.

    I have a dull, rusty jagged edged knife you should use. Bolt croppers
    is too clean and fast for this case

    Dental floss tied around the offending articles, preventing blood flow
    until they drop off, would be a reasonable alternative.

  11. "Tom Crispin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:24:59 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? wrote on 10/07/2006 13:21 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:16:18 GMT, Jo <[email hidden]> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    > My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured, heard
    > the driver say he had 'had a couple'. Probably explains his behaviour.

    Pass the bolt croppers, please.

    I have a dull, rusty jagged edged knife you should use. Bolt croppers
    is too clean and fast for this case

    Dental floss tied around the offending articles, preventing blood flow
    until they drop off, would be a reasonable alternative.

    I was thinking of inventive uses for a rusty brillo pad and plenty of Ajax
    powder...

    Cheers, helen s

  12. Tom Crispin said:

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:24:59 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? wrote on 10/07/2006 13:21 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:16:18 GMT, Jo <[email hidden]> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    > My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured, heard
    > the driver say he had 'had a couple'. Probably explains his behaviour.
    Pass the bolt croppers, please.


    I have a dull, rusty jagged edged knife you should use. Bolt croppers
    is too clean and fast for this case

    Dental floss tied around the offending articles, preventing blood flow
    until they drop off, would be a reasonable alternative.

    Good idea, but you'd need to do it properly.
    May I suggest going to:
    http://www.farmstoreonline.co.uk/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d114.html
    Scroll down to Castration and then find out what "option 1" is/was and
    use that (I'm banking on it being discontinued for being excessively cruel).

    --

    JimP

    " " - John Cage

  13. david lloyd said:

    What's the bet that it is called misadventure, because the cyclists decided
    to ride overnight, which may be considered an unusual act?


    One thing the police are not short of is witnesses sympathetic to the
    dead cyclist.

    I was lucky enough to pass the spot at least half an hour earlier, and
    was in blissful ignorance until yesterday teatime.

  14. Jim Price said:


    Good idea, but you'd need to do it properly.
    May I suggest going to:
    http://www.farmstoreonline.co.uk/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d114.html
    Scroll down to Castration and then find out what "option 1" is/was and
    use that (I'm banking on it being discontinued for being excessively cruel).

    When I was a boy helping out with lambing, we used to use some sort
    industrial grade elastic band to deal with both testicles and tails.

    Legend had it that we were English wooses and that if went out to the
    farm in Aus, we'd see how real men did it - with their teeth.

  15. in message <[email hidden]>, Not

    Responding (') said:


    Jim Price said:


    Good idea, but you'd need to do it properly.
    May I suggest going to:


    http://www.farmstoreonline.co.uk/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d114.html

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Scroll down to Castration and then find out what "option 1" is/was and
    use that (I'm banking on it being discontinued for being excessively
    cruel).

    When I was a boy helping out with lambing, we used to use some sort
    industrial grade elastic band to deal with both testicles and tails.

    Yup, me too. With a sort of heavy pair of pliers to stretch the band to
    get it on in the first place.

    Quoted message said:

    Legend had it that we were English wooses and that if went out to the
    farm in Aus, we'd see how real men did it - with their teeth.

    No, the shepherds I grew up with all said that they had done that in the
    past, but it was no longer current practice.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    The Conservative Party is now dead. The corpse may still be
    twitching, but resurrection is not an option - unless Satan
    chucks them out of Hell as too objectionable even for him.

  16. "Helen Deborah Vecht" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "david lloyd" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What's the bet that it is called misadventure, because the cyclists


    decided

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to ride overnight, which may be considered an unusual act?

    Hopefully low, given that the crash occurred about an hour into a ride,
    when 'ordinary' people would still be up and about.

    If the crash had happened in the wee small hours they could get away
    with it :-(


    Thanks. I was not aware of the time.

    Dave Lloyd
    So open minded, my brains dribbled out.

  17. Not Responding said:
    Jim Price said:

    Good idea, but you'd need to do it properly.
    May I suggest going to:
    http://www.farmstoreonline.co.uk/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d114.html
    Scroll down to Castration and then find out what "option 1" is/was and
    use that (I'm banking on it being discontinued for being excessively cruel).

    When I was a boy helping out with lambing, we used to use some sort
    industrial grade elastic band to deal with both testicles and tails.

    Those are amongst the options available from the link above...

    Quoted message said:

    Legend had it that we were English wooses and that if went out to the
    farm in Aus, we'd see how real men did it - with their teeth.


    I thought that was American boxers! I had all the real men stories, only
    with changed locations due to Welsh ancestry.

    --

    JimP

    " " - John Cage

  18. Jim Price said:

    May I suggest going to:
    http://www.farmstoreonline.co.uk/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d114.html
    Scroll down to Castration and then find out what "option 1" is/was and
    use that (I'm banking on it being discontinued for being excessively
    cruel).

    That's a docking iron, used to cut tails and cauterise the wound at the
    same time.

    In the words of Lance Corporal Jones "They wouldn't like it up em"

    Tom
    --
    Return address is dead. Real address is at
    http://toomanybikes.com/address.jpg

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, w*a*ff£y£cat*@
    £btco*nn£ect.com says...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tom Crispin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:24:59 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? wrote on 10/07/2006 13:21 +0100:
    > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:16:18 GMT, Jo <[email hidden]> said in
    > <[email hidden]>:
    >
    >> My son, who was standing by while his father helped the injured, heard
    >> the driver say he had 'had a couple'. Probably explains his behaviour.
    >
    > Pass the bolt croppers, please.
    >

    I have a dull, rusty jagged edged knife you should use. Bolt croppers
    is too clean and fast for this case

    Dental floss tied around the offending articles, preventing blood flow
    until they drop off, would be a reasonable alternative.

    I was thinking of inventive uses for a rusty brillo pad and plenty of Ajax
    powder...

    And what, prithee, is wrong with the tried-and-trusted gun-petrol-
    matches-Lighthouse Family wossname, eh?

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    A complimentary biro(tm) is /not/ to be sniffed at.

  20. Not Responding said:


    Jim Price said:


    Good idea, but you'd need to do it properly.
    May I suggest going to:
    http://www.farmstoreonline.co.uk/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d114.html
    Scroll down to Castration and then find out what "option 1" is/was and
    use that (I'm banking on it being discontinued for being excessively cruel).

    When I was a boy helping out with lambing, we used to use some sort
    industrial grade elastic band to deal with both testicles and tails.

    Legend had it that we were English wooses and that if went out to the
    farm in Aus, we'd see how real men did it - with their teeth.

    My understanding was that the elastic band method originated in Oz.

    The technique with a sharp kife used to be to grab a lamb in one hand
    slice off the end of the scrotum revealing the testicles and since you
    had no free hands to grip them in your teeth and pull them out.

    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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