Dave H sure is angry today!!

[Sierraman]

I getting the hell out of here and going for a nice Sierra ride, ah, cooled
to the low 80's. Maybe Ewoud wants to hit one of the big climbs too, ouchie!

B-

 

[Bob Schwartz]

Sierraman <[email protected]> wrote:
> I getting the hell out of here and going for a nice Sierra ride, ah, cooled
> to the low 80's. Maybe Ewoud wants to hit one of the big climbs too, ouchie!

> B-

Nipplehead,

Dave H has always been like that. It's the water in Southern California.
Chang succumbed early. Fennell seems to be resistent, but eventually
he'll pick up an abusive salutation too.

Bob Schwartz
[email protected]

 

[Dave H]

"Bob Schwartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sierraman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I getting the hell out of here and going for a nice Sierra ride, ah,
>> cooled
>> to the low 80's. Maybe Ewoud wants to hit one of the big climbs too,
>> ouchie!
>
>> B-
>
> Nipplehead,
>
> Dave H has always been like that. It's the water in Southern California.
> Chang succumbed early. Fennell seems to be resistent, but eventually
> he'll pick up an abusive salutation too.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]



LOL
Dave

 

[Dave H]

"Bob Schwartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sierraman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I getting the hell out of here and going for a nice Sierra ride, ah,
>> cooled
>> to the low 80's. Maybe Ewoud wants to hit one of the big climbs too,
>> ouchie!
>
>> B-
>
> Nipplehead,
>
> Dave H has always been like that. It's the water in Southern California.
> Chang succumbed early. Fennell seems to be resistent, but eventually
> he'll pick up an abusive salutation too.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]



LOL
Dave

 

[Sierraman]

"Bob Schwartz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sierraman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I getting the hell out of here and going for a nice Sierra ride, ah,
cooled
> > to the low 80's. Maybe Ewoud wants to hit one of the big climbs too,
ouchie!
>
> > B-
>
> Nipplehead,
>
> Dave H has always been like that. It's the water in Southern California.
> Chang succumbed early. Fennell seems to be resistent, but eventually
> he'll pick up an abusive salutation too.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]

I am beat to death.

Oh what a day I am having!!! This morning I had to chase JW's off again
after consistently telling them to stay away or I would call the cops. I
guess I will have to get a restraining order for JW's, ha, that's a first.
Then I called the sheriff to ask if Slaughterhouse road was open because it
had been closed the other day. They said they didn't know and to call the
CHP. So I called the CHP and they said they didn't know and to call the Road
department. So I called the Road Department and they said they didn't know
and to call the Fire Department. So I called the Fire department and they
said they didn't know and to call the CDF, California dept. of Forestry. So
I called the CDF and a girl answers and asks if I am joking. At this point,
somewhat flabbergasted, and finally she tells me it will be open at 4pm. So
I ride off mad like Dave for a bike ride down Slaughterhouse road to check
out the damage from the fires. As I start to return home a thunderstorm is
brewing overhead. I stop and hide in the bushes and trees as lightning is
striking close all around me. I am scared shitless and thinking that I don't
want to die like this, and feel like an idiot balled up hiding in the
bushes. Several more close strikes as my heart is skipping beats. I make a
brave move to get back on my bike as it is pouring rain and lightning is
striking all around. I figure no one has ever been killed on a bike and if I
am on two moving rubber tires that I would have a chance. There is a ranch
about a mile away and if I can just get there. I make it to the Ranch almost
crashing at high speed and my bike is caked in mud and I look like I just
took a mud bath. Luckily my bike handling skills save me. I am really scared
and freezing to death. I knock on the door and a older lady answers and says
to come in, without any words, she knew my plight as I was really deep into
a remote canyon where very few people live. I ride out the danger while
lightning continues to strikes all around and pouring rain. The lady tells
me a story about how they shot a mountain lion in their backyard that was
making lunch out of their cats. She said they threw the lion just over the
cliff right there. Finally the storm passes and my muddy clothes are
somewhat dried on the stove but not quite. She offers me a pink women's
sweatshirt to wear on the ride home. Beaten and weary, I accept as I ride
home feeling like an idiot wearing a women's pink dry sweatshirt to stay
warm. I get home and think that (there's no place like Home) and I didn't
have to click any Ruby slippers together to get there. What a day, I won't
soon forget. A true Hardy boys adventure.

Once again it reminds me that life is short and not to take things for
granted, enjoy each day and try not to get mad! Bad karma! Mother nature was
angry as well today!

B-

ps-Nipplehead is a trademark of Dave H.

 

[TritonRider]

>From: "Sierraman" [email protected]

> I am scared shitless and thinking that I don't
>want to die like this, and feel like an idiot balled up hiding in the
>bushes. Several more close strikes as my heart is skipping beats. I make a
>brave move to get back on my bike as it is pouring rain and lightning is
>striking all around. I figure no one has ever been killed on a bike and if I
>am on two moving rubber tires that I would have a chance. There is a ranch
>about a mile away and if I can just get there. I make it to the Ranch almost
>crashing at high speed and my bike is caked in mud and I look like I just
>took a mud bath. Luckily my bike handling skills save me. I am really scared
>and freezing to death. I knock on the door and a older lady answers and says
>to come in, without any words, she knew my plight as I was really deep into
>a remote canyon where very few people live. I ride out the danger while
>lightning continues to strikes all around and pouring rain. The lady tells
>me a story about how they shot a mountain lion in their backyard that was
>making lunch out of their cats. She said they threw the lion just over the
>cliff right there. Finally the storm passes and my muddy clothes are
>somewhat dried on the stove but not quite. She offers me a pink women's
>sweatshirt to wear on the ride home. Beaten and weary, I accept as I ride
>home feeling like an idiot wearing a women's pink dry sweatshirt to stay
>warm. I get home and think that (there's no place like Home) and I didn't
>have to click any Ruby slippers together to get there. What a day, I won't
>soon forget. A true Hardy boys adventure.
>
>Once again it reminds me that life is short and not to take things for
>granted, enjoy each day and try not to get mad! Bad karma! Mother nature was
>angry as well today!
>
>B-
>

Just more proof that country people are real as opposed to city dwellers who
would've *****ed about having to walk over your corpse.
Glad you made it.
Bill C

 

[h squared]

Sierraman wrote:
>

> I am beat to death.

i've been stuck in a lightening storm at high altitude all alone in the
dead of night, 15 miles from my car, no way out. i just lay there in the
dark tent (except for when the lightening came, then it wasn't very
dark) waiting for it to end.

you're right, it is scary. i tried to tell my family about it, but they
didn't seem to understand.

h

 

[Richard Adams]

h squared wrote:

>
> Sierraman wrote:
>
>
>
>>I am beat to death.
>
>
> i've been stuck in a lightening storm at high altitude all alone in the
> dead of night, 15 miles from my car, no way out. i just lay there in the
> dark tent (except for when the lightening came, then it wasn't very
> dark) waiting for it to end.
>
> you're right, it is scary. i tried to tell my family about it, but they
> didn't seem to understand.
>
> h

I spent several hours hiding out in one of the restrooms at the south
rim of the grand canyon, a few years ago, when a lightning storm came
through. 8,000 feet up and I'm counting the seconds after the flash
while feeling a very attractive target in a tent with aluminum poles
next to a mostly steel pickup truck. Flash 1-1,000, 2-1,00BOOM! ****! I
remember the latrine is brick and heated (it's about 32 F, BTW) and I
grab a jacket and make a dash for it. Shoulda brought a book. Once
safe I realised it was quite possibly the dullest structure I'd
inhabited since jr. highschool.

 

[warren]

In article <[email protected]>, Richard Adams
<[email protected]> wrote:

> h squared wrote:
>
> >
> > Sierraman wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I am beat to death.
> >
> >
> > i've been stuck in a lightening storm at high altitude all alone in the
> > dead of night, 15 miles from my car, no way out. i just lay there in the
> > dark tent (except for when the lightening came, then it wasn't very
> > dark) waiting for it to end.
> >
> > you're right, it is scary. i tried to tell my family about it, but they
> > didn't seem to understand.
> >
> > h
>
> I spent several hours hiding out in one of the restrooms at the south
> rim of the grand canyon, a few years ago, when a lightning storm came
> through. 8,000 feet up and I'm counting the seconds after the flash
> while feeling a very attractive target in a tent with aluminum poles
> next to a mostly steel pickup truck. Flash 1-1,000, 2-1,00BOOM! ****! I
> remember the latrine is brick and heated (it's about 32 F, BTW) and I
> grab a jacket and make a dash for it. Shoulda brought a book. Once
> safe I realised it was quite possibly the dullest structure I'd
> inhabited since jr. highschool.

I've been within 100 yards of a lightning strike. The sound is not the
usual booming sound. More like a crackling and sharp gunshot, really
loud. It didn't change my life though. Sierraman will be back on his
bike soon enough. The real danger when riding during a thunderstorm is
the person talking on their cell phone while driving past you in their
Escalade.

-WG

 

[Dave H]

"Richard Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>h squared wrote:
>
>>
>> Sierraman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am beat to death.
>>
>>
>> i've been stuck in a lightening storm at high altitude all alone in the
>> dead of night, 15 miles from my car, no way out. i just lay there in the
>> dark tent (except for when the lightening came, then it wasn't very
>> dark) waiting for it to end.
>>
>> you're right, it is scary. i tried to tell my family about it, but they
>> didn't seem to understand.
>>
>> h
>
> I spent several hours hiding out in one of the restrooms at the south rim
> of the grand canyon, a few years ago, when a lightning storm came through.
> 8,000 feet up and I'm counting the seconds after the flash while feeling a
> very attractive target in a tent with aluminum poles next to a mostly
> steel pickup truck. Flash 1-1,000, 2-1,00BOOM! ****! I remember the
> latrine is brick and heated (it's about 32 F, BTW) and I grab a jacket and
> make a dash for it. Shoulda brought a book. Once safe I realised it was
> quite possibly the dullest structure I'd inhabited since jr. highschool.

humm and just think I just spent the last couple of hours riding in that
damn awful climate controlled ADT indoor Velodrome...man...that was tough
Dave

 

[Sierraman]

"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:200920042152011453%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Richard Adams
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > h squared wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Sierraman wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I am beat to death.
> > >
> > >
> > > i've been stuck in a lightening storm at high altitude all alone in
the
> > > dead of night, 15 miles from my car, no way out. i just lay there in
the
> > > dark tent (except for when the lightening came, then it wasn't very
> > > dark) waiting for it to end.
> > >
> > > you're right, it is scary. i tried to tell my family about it, but
they
> > > didn't seem to understand.
> > >
> > > h
> >
> > I spent several hours hiding out in one of the restrooms at the south
> > rim of the grand canyon, a few years ago, when a lightning storm came
> > through. 8,000 feet up and I'm counting the seconds after the flash
> > while feeling a very attractive target in a tent with aluminum poles
> > next to a mostly steel pickup truck. Flash 1-1,000, 2-1,00BOOM! ****! I
> > remember the latrine is brick and heated (it's about 32 F, BTW) and I
> > grab a jacket and make a dash for it. Shoulda brought a book. Once
> > safe I realised it was quite possibly the dullest structure I'd
> > inhabited since jr. highschool.
>
> I've been within 100 yards of a lightning strike. The sound is not the
> usual booming sound. More like a crackling and sharp gunshot, really
> loud. It didn't change my life though. Sierraman will be back on his
> bike soon enough. The real danger when riding during a thunderstorm is
> the person talking on their cell phone while driving past you in their
> Escalade.
>
> -WG

I would agree on the crackling, but also I would say a tremendous booming,
that almost seems to shake the earth. I been at point blank range when it
struck my house twice, but being outside, it is extremely frightening thing
when it strikes several times at almost point blank range. I was within the
range you suggested.

I understand in a car or a trailer is good, the kind that have metal bodies
with tires, not mobile homes which have wooden shells. I had lightning hit
the phone lines twice. Once it burned up my computer years ago before I got
a spike protector. Another time it blew the phone receptacle right off the
wall outside into a thousand pieces. Yet another time it fried the spike
protector that was rated really high joules. Both times I was inside, just
the thought of security but the thunder was so loud that if I didn't put my
hands over my ears, I was sure my heart would fail. It is a tremendously
frightening thing. This time being out in mother nature at the top of a
ridge with no protection but the trees and bushes, and lighting striking
extremely close, I can't ever remember being that terrified. I wondered if
this is the day I would die. Again, it was one of those things that if don't
put your hands over your ears, you think the incredible thunder will stop
your heart. Believe me, it's really that scary. Glad I have the courage to
get out of there instead of riding it out.



There was a guy who had a house up on the ridge of Midpines one year and he
got stuck by what witnesses said was the grand daddy of bolts. A record
breaker that lit the sky so bright, locals said it was off the scale of
anything they had ever seen. It hit his ham radio tower and then bounced off
and hit the propane tank blowing it up. It also hit his house and burned it
down. The guy lived to talk about it, as well as the locals.



B-

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:37:45 -0700, Sierraman wrote:
> brave move to get back on my bike as it is pouring rain and lightning is
> striking all around. I figure no one has ever been killed on a bike and if
> I am on two moving rubber tires that I would have a chance.

If the lightning can make it down from the sky to you, it can sure make
it from you to the ground. Two rubber bicycle tires, moving or not, are
not going to make any difference there.

I don't really know if riding away was riskier or not than staying
crouched under the trees (bushes?), but my guess is that that doesn't
make any difference either.

Glad to hear you finally, albeit almost at the end of the season, caught
up with this summer's fashion colour of pink.

 

[Robert Chung]

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> If the lightning can make it down from the sky to you, it can sure make
> it from you to the ground.

Lightning goes up.
http://www.mmem.spschools.org/grade5science/weather/lightning2.html

> Two rubber bicycle tires, moving or not, are
> not going to make any difference there.
>
> I don't really know if riding away was riskier or not than staying
> crouched under the trees (bushes?), but my guess is that that doesn't
> make any difference either.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/crh_ltg_safety_colo.html

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:32:31 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> Lightning goes up.

I knew that! Damn.

> http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/crh_ltg_safety_colo.html

First sentence under the heading "If You Are Caught In The Open During A
Lightning Storm...": You should NEVER EVER allow yourself to get caught
in the open in a lightning storm!!!

Nothing new on that page. I stand by my estimation: it doesn't make much
difference. Maybe Bruce doubled his chances of getting struck from 0.01%
to 0.02%.

 

[Richard Adams]

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:37:45 -0700, Sierraman wrote:
>
>>brave move to get back on my bike as it is pouring rain and lightning is
>>striking all around. I figure no one has ever been killed on a bike and if
>>I am on two moving rubber tires that I would have a chance.
>
>
> If the lightning can make it down from the sky to you, it can sure make
> it from you to the ground. Two rubber bicycle tires, moving or not, are
> not going to make any difference there.
>
> I don't really know if riding away was riskier or not than staying
> crouched under the trees (bushes?), but my guess is that that doesn't
> make any difference either.
>
> Glad to hear you finally, albeit almost at the end of the season, caught
> up with this summer's fashion colour of pink.


Dunno about you, but my tires contain carbon, which in the high voltage
world of lightning are as good as silver. Meanwhile, I thought the
first clue lightning was about to happen was a feeling of static in your
hair (but if it's sopping wet and has helmet on it I guess that's moot.)

 

[Richard Adams]

Robert Chung wrote:

> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>
>>If the lightning can make it down from the sky to you, it can sure make
>>it from you to the ground.
>
>
> Lightning goes up.
> http://www.mmem.spschools.org/grade5science/weather/lightning2.html
>
>
>>Two rubber bicycle tires, moving or not, are
>>not going to make any difference there.
>>
>>I don't really know if riding away was riskier or not than staying
>>crouched under the trees (bushes?), but my guess is that that doesn't
>>make any difference either.
>
>
> http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/crh_ltg_safety_colo.html
>
>

I'd think hiding in the bushes would be safe. Lightning still hasn't
struck the Whitehouse.

 

[Papai Digital]

warren <warren@>...
> In article <[email protected]>, Richard Adams
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > h squared wrote:
> >
> > i've been stuck in a lightening storm at high altitude all alone in the
> > > dead of night, 15 miles from my car, no way out. i just lay there in the
> > > dark tent (except for when the lightening came, then it wasn't very
> > > dark) waiting for it to end.
> > >
> > > you're right, it is scary. i tried to tell my family about it, but they
> > > didn't seem to understand.
> > >
> > > h
> >
> > I spent several hours hiding out in one of the restrooms at the south
> > rim of the grand canyon, a few years ago, when a lightning storm came
> > through. 8,000 feet up and I'm counting the seconds after the flash
> > while feeling a very attractive target in a tent with aluminum poles
> > next to a mostly steel pickup truck. Flash 1-1,000, 2-1,00BOOM! ****! I
> > remember the latrine is brick and heated (it's about 32 F, BTW) and I
> > grab a jacket and make a dash for it. Shoulda brought a book. Once
> > safe I realised it was quite possibly the dullest structure I'd
> > inhabited since jr. highschool.
>
> I've been within 100 yards of a lightning strike. The sound is not the
> usual booming sound. More like a crackling and sharp gunshot, really
> loud. It didn't change my life though. Sierraman will be back on his
> bike soon enough. The real danger when riding during a thunderstorm is
> the person talking on their cell phone while driving past you in their
> Escalade.

Every morning, rain or shine, snow or not I delivered the Chicago
Tribune
and the Sun Times from my bike on this 4 mile route.
One night during a thunderstorm there was a huge lightening strike and
large crack and explosion and damned if one of my customer's houses
didn't blow-up,
burn down and disintegrate in less than an hour.

That meant the loss to my income of about 25 cents/week, c.1972.

-Ken

 

[Sierraman]

"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:32:31 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> > Lightning goes up.
>
> I knew that! Damn.
>
> > http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/crh_ltg_safety_colo.html
>
> First sentence under the heading "If You Are Caught In The Open During A
> Lightning Storm...": You should NEVER EVER allow yourself to get caught
> in the open in a lightning storm!!!
>
> Nothing new on that page. I stand by my estimation: it doesn't make much
> difference. Maybe Bruce doubled his chances of getting struck from 0.01%
> to 0.02%.

Once on my bike was upright and moving on two rubber tires, I figure my
chances went up slightly. It takes guts to come out of the bushes into the
open, mount your bike and haul ass! I was wondering if I would get struck
the moment I decided to make a run for it.


I saw a documentary once that rubber tires on a car were a factor because
they are not grounded, but I think the biggest factor was the metal shell
which dissipates the lightning more evenly like a trailer shell that is also
grounded. I think you need a dedicated ground of at least 6 feet in the
ground to be effective.

 

[gym gravity]

Sierraman wrote:

> I saw a documentary once that rubber tires on a car were a factor because
> they are not grounded, but I think the biggest factor was the metal shell
> which dissipates the lightning more evenly like a trailer shell that is also
> grounded. I think you need a dedicated ground of at least 6 feet in the
> ground to be effective.
>

The film of sweat coating your body acts in the same way the metal shell
of a car does. Most of the 'lectricity travels in the water on the
surface of your skin. The problem is, it causes the water to boil so
quickly that the force of the steam escaping tears your clothing off.
When they find you, you'll be naked. (And covered in burns from the
boiling sweat.)

 

[Sierraman]

"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:200920042152011453%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Richard Adams
> <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've been within 100 yards of a lightning strike. The sound is not the
> usual booming sound. More like a crackling and sharp gunshot, really
> loud. It didn't change my life though. Sierraman will be back on his
> bike soon enough. The real danger when riding during a thunderstorm is
> the person talking on their cell phone while driving past you in their
> Escalade.
>
> -WG

From...

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/crh_ltg_safety_colo.html

Safe locations include large enclosed structures and enclosed vehicles. A
large enclosed structure is typically a building which is occupied by people
on a permanent bases, such as a shopping center, schools, office buildings
or a private residence. Once in a sturdy building, stay away from metal
objects (faucets, showers, pipes) and phones, unless it is an emergency
(cordless phones and battery operated cell phones are safe). Computers now a
days are also dangerous as phone lines are usually connected to them.