Darn!! Up TWO pounds???

It really is a neat concept, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to check it out in the near future.
Too much of a hassle to move a computer to the basement, build another shelf, string cables, etc.
<G> I also have several built-in programs on the treadmill and have only checked one out. It was way
too slow and easy, so I decided to just punch the buttons on my own. I love buttons! <G>

Joyce

Nathalie W said:

I can do that for my stationary bike! But as it has 6 built-in programmes, I 'm waiting to get
tired of those before hooking it up to the internet thingie. Cool huh?
--
Nathalie from Belgium
134.1/101.4/minigoal 99.9 Goal 68 Kg
295.6/223.5/minigoal 220.3/Goal 150 pounds RAFL 105.3/101.4/96 Kg
232/223.5/212 lbs "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen.

<g> I

Quoted message said:

even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built

in, to

Quoted message said:

give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in.

Then

Quoted message said:

splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the

treadmill time,

Quoted message said:

MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things

a bit

Quoted message said:

yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much

different

Quoted message said:

they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what

a high

Quoted message said:

intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your

basement

Quoted message said:

is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my

bathrobe on

Quoted message said:

in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your
treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into

the

Quoted message said:

manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I

haven't

Quoted message said:

done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,

but it

Quoted message said:

did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming

on the

Quoted message said:

computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through

the

Quoted message said:

website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline

and speed

Quoted message said:

to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this

until I read

Quoted message said:

the manual.

Joyce

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And puh-
lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here? I
haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting (the
after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff going
on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today and
definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on
the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while
awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

Fred said:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only about
2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

Joyce said:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid
things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high intensity workout
is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability
to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I
haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it did
sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the computer monitor to
walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will also automatically
control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't
even realize this until I read the manual.

Joyce

WannaBLean said:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I don't
want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>
> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>
> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>
> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>
> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
> >
>

Same company, different models. Mine is a ProForm 720. I don't remember what other models we looked
at ... one had a radio/cd player included, but I didn't see the sense in spending an extra few
hundred bucks for something I could plug in myself. <G> My son wanted this one because of the built
in shocks/springs. He does a lot of jogging on it, says these are so much easier on the knees than
the units without the springs. And it is unbelievable quiet ... at least compared to the old
machine I had.

You have a fantastic attitude, I have no doubts that you will reach your goal. It isn't a race and
it really does not matter at all how long it takes. I'm a firm believer that slower is the best
option around, as it gives you more time to set new habits and learn lessons along the way. Heck,
there are still things I'm learning! I still have bad moments, yesterday seemed to be one of them. I
just roll with them now, move past them as soon as I can. I never give up and hope that I never will
in the future.

Joyce

WannaBLean said:

We must have the same kind of treadmill! ProForm CS9e. I LOVE mine. I turn on the cable rock-n-roll
channel and visualize myself slim and fit while I walk. I'm still "falling down" a bit on my
evening points, but I'm GOING to do it this time, NO MATTER how long it takes me. "Joyce"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen.

<g> I

Quoted message said:

even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built

in, to

Quoted message said:

give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in.

Then

Quoted message said:

splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the

treadmill time,

Quoted message said:

MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things

a bit

Quoted message said:

yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much

different

Quoted message said:

they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what

a high

Quoted message said:

intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your

basement

Quoted message said:

is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my

bathrobe on

Quoted message said:

in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your
treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into

the

Quoted message said:

manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I

haven't

Quoted message said:

done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,

but it

Quoted message said:

did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming

on the

Quoted message said:

computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through

the

Quoted message said:

website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline

and speed

Quoted message said:

to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this

until I read

Quoted message said:

the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO

burn

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are

more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

than
> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the

new

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

push
> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the

water,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

took me
> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>
> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>
> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the

beginning.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Then I
> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work on
> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read

somewhere

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

recently
> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not

too

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sure of
> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it

was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tougher
> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???),

thus

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

causing
> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many

months

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now,
> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I

start

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

feeling
> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the

incline

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and
> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

another
> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the

same,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you
> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>
> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>
> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
> >
>

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement - that's
no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
sunday (g)

Joyce said:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here? I
haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting (the
after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff going
on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today and
definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on
the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while
awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

Fred said:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only about
2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

Joyce said:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid
things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high intensity workout
is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability
to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I
haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it did
sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the computer monitor to
walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will also automatically
control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't
even realize this until I read the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>message "]news:[email hidden]...
>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>week.
>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>than
>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>push
>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>took me
>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>
>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>
>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>This is a
>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>Then I
>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>work on
>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>when you
>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>recently
>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>sure of
>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>also didn't
>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>tougher
>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>causing
>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>now,
>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>feeling
>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>and
>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>your 2MPH
>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>(I'm making
>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>another
>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>you
>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>the same
>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>stages -
>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>
>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>>
>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>> >
>>

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots On Mon said:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here? I
haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting (the
after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff going
on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today and
definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on
the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while
awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

Fred said:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only about
2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

Joyce said:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid
things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high intensity workout
is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability
to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I
haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it did
sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the computer monitor to
walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will also automatically
control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't
even realize this until I read the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>message "]news:[email hidden]...
>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>week.
>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>than
>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>push
>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>took me
>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>
>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>
>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>This is a
>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>Then I
>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>work on
>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>when you
>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>recently
>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>sure of
>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>also didn't
>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>tougher
>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>causing
>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>now,
>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>feeling
>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>and
>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>your 2MPH
>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>(I'm making
>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>another
>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>you
>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>the same
>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>stages -
>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>
>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>>
>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>> >
>>

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays *good* set of
answers. <sigh> Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then time to make some informed
decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son hadn't been doing
well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had said nothing. We worried quietly
here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad
information from his advisor and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire
grade turned out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and job
interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam (he drew a career he
knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him ineligible for baseball. In the grand
scheme of things this is really unimportant ... to him it is the world and he is currently
shattered. He has had the carrot dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking
to him the last few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it to happen, and it
is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream? I think dreams are what keep us
going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has
been investigating transferring schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only
to be told that the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new term, whereas other
colleges are much further along already). It also explains why his current school has so many
transferring IN at this time of year. My heart once again broke for him today when he came home,
he looked so darned defeated. He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the
holidays, he didn't want to let us down. <which he never would anyway>

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that unhappy where he
is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr. college during spring quarter ... take
some time to make a decision for next year. Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is
currently at, only to not go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr.
college to talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team while
attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to current school to see
if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an incomplete (probably not, is a first year
teacher who appears to be in authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can
make an informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth pulled for braces
... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman who was backing down a one way
street ... it's gonna be another one of those looooooooong days. <sigh> I am incredibly tired, yet
can't sleep.

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots On Mon said:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here? I
haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting (the
after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while
awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

Fred said:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only about
2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
>bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
>off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
>making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid
>things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
>they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high intensity workout
>is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>
>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability
>to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I
>haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it did
>sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the computer monitor to
>walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will also automatically
>control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I
>didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>week.
>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>than
>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>push
>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>took me
>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>
>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>
>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>This is a
>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>Then I
>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>work on
>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>when you
>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>recently
>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>sure of
>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>also didn't
>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>tougher
>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>causing
>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>now,
>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>feeling
>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>and
>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>your 2MPH
>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>(I'm making
>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>another
>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>you
>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>the same
>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>stages -
>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>> >
>>>

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I told
my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences. <G> Then I
told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with
our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to
make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person who
has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to disconnect my
normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am
just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. <G>

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for the
next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh> Littlest
daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier,
timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just get to pay for it).
Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I go to traffic court with hub.
Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long
days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
sunday (g)

Joyce said:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here? I
haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting (the
after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while
awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

Fred said:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only about
2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
>bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
>off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
>making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid
>things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
>they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high intensity workout
>is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>
>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability
>to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I
>haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it did
>sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the computer monitor to
>walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will also automatically
>control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I
>didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>week.
>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>than
>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>push
>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>took me
>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>
>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>
>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>This is a
>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>Then I
>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>work on
>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>when you
>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>recently
>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>sure of
>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>also didn't
>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>tougher
>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>causing
>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>now,
>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>feeling
>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>and
>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>your 2MPH
>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>(I'm making
>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>another
>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>you
>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>the same
>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>stages -
>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>> >
>>>

Good luck to your daughter, Joyce. Maybe give her some of that mudslide?!

Connie

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I told
my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences. <G> Then
I told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it
with our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more
to make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person who
has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to disconnect my
normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am
just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. <G>

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for the
next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh> Littlest
daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my
worrier, timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general
anesthetic - which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just get
to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I go to traffic
court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere. Gonna be another
one of those long days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for
an easy dinner. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
sunday (g)

Joyce said:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G> How
come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here? I
haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting (the
after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>
>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>
>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
>>bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
>>off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's
>>... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
>>overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much
>>different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
>>intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>
>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the
>>ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
>>tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,
>>but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
>>computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will
>>also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>
>>>>I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>
>>>week.
>>>
>>>>Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>
>>>than
>>>
>>>>likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>
>>>push
>>>
>>>>too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>
>>>took me
>>>
>>>>a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>
>>>>Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>
>>>>I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>
>>>This is a
>>>
>>>>great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>
>>>Then I
>>>
>>>>read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>
>>>work on
>>>
>>>>the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>
>>>when you
>>>
>>>>can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>
>>>recently
>>>
>>>>that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>
>>>sure of
>>>
>>>>that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>
>>>also didn't
>>>
>>>>add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>
>>>tougher
>>>
>>>>on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>
>>>causing
>>>
>>>>me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>
>>>now,
>>>
>>>>walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>
>>>feeling
>>>
>>>>it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>
>>>your 2MPH
>>>
>>>>level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>
>>>(I'm making
>>>
>>>>the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>
>>>another
>>>
>>>>few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>>will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>
>>>the same
>>>
>>>>benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>
>>>stages -
>>>
>>>>which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>
>>>>Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>
>>>>

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/205/155 RAFL 210.5/205/198.5

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I think you could link a desktop
with a wired network to a laptop with wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it
probably is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch time walk in the predicted
sunshine I can get to the state liquor store (G)

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I told
my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences. <G> Then
I told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it
with our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more
to make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person who
has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to disconnect my
normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am
just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. <G>

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for the
next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh> Littlest
daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my
worrier, timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general
anesthetic - which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just get to
pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I go to traffic
court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere. Gonna be another one
of those long days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an
easy dinner. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
sunday (g)

Joyce said:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here?
I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting
(the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be
jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>
>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>
>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
>>bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
>>off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's
>>... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
>>overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much
>>different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
>>intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>
>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the
>>ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
>>tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,
>>but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
>>computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will
>>also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>week.
>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>than
>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>push
>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>took me
>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>
>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>This is a
>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>Then I
>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>work on
>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>when you
>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>recently
>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>sure of
>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>also didn't
>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>tougher
>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>causing
>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>now,
>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>feeling
>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>and
>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>your 2MPH
>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>(I'm making
>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>another
>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>you
>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>the same
>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>stages -
>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>
>>>> Joyce
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>> >
>>>>
>

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly hope he comes through this
whole, which most likely he will with you in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his
anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I
ask for general anesthetic every time I get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was
my daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.<G>

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can only look UP, right?! Take a few
minutes for yourself, and remember to breathe.

Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays *good* set of
answers. <sigh> Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then time to make some informed
decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son hadn't been doing
well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had said nothing. We worried quietly
here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad
information from his advisor and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire
grade turned out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and job
interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam (he drew a career he
knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him ineligible for baseball. In the grand
scheme of things this is really unimportant ... to him it is the world and he is currently
shattered. He has had the carrot dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking
to him the last few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it to happen, and it
is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream? I think dreams are what keep us
going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he
has been investigating transferring schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today
only to be told that the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new term, whereas other
colleges are much further along already). It also explains why his current school has so many
transferring IN at this time of year. My heart once again broke for him today when he came home,
he looked so darned defeated. He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the
holidays, he didn't want to let us down. <which he never would anyway>

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that unhappy where he
is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr. college during spring quarter ... take
some time to make a decision for next year. Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is
currently at, only to not go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr.
college to talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team while
attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to current school to see
if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an incomplete (probably not, is a first year
teacher who appears to be in authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can
make an informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth pulled for braces
... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman who was backing down a one way
street ... it's gonna be another one of those looooooooong days. <sigh> I am incredibly tired, yet
can't sleep.

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots On Mon said:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here?
I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting
(the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be
jogging. <G>

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>
>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>
>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged and
>>bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my mind
>>off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series dvd's
>>... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
>>overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much
>>different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
>>intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>
>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the
>>ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
>>tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,
>>but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
>>computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will
>>also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>week.
>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>than
>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>push
>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>took me
>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>
>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>This is a
>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>Then I
>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>work on
>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>when you
>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>recently
>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>sure of
>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>also didn't
>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>tougher
>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>causing
>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>now,
>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>feeling
>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>and
>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>your 2MPH
>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>(I'm making
>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>another
>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>you
>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>the same
>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>stages -
>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>
>>>> Joyce
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>> >
>>>>
>

Thanks Connie! I'm just getting back to the computer NOW - am not going to last too long though, am
thoroughly wornout and going to head to bed before I wake fully up (took a lovely 3 hour nap on the
couch). Daughter came through with fantastically, she is a little trooper. She was a little
miserable for a day, much better of Wednesday but still stayed home from school. Yesterday
(thursday) she headed back to school and made it through the day with no motrin. Yeah for her!!! I
did slip her a teeny bit of that mudslide on Tuesday, figuring it might just help her sleep more. I
don't think she drank more than 2T (what a big talker this one is - lol) ... but she did smile
through even that little bit.

Joyce

Connie walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

Good luck to your daughter, Joyce. Maybe give her some of that mudslide?!

Connie

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I
told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences.
<G> Then I told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived
through it with our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ...
only one more to make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person
who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to
disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the
wireless? I am just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into
this project. <G>

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for the
next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh>
Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She is
my worrier, timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general
anesthetic - which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just get
to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I go to
traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere. Gonna be
another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ...
makes for an easy dinner. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
>puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G> How
>come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here? I
>haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting
>(the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be
>jogging. <G>
>
>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
>and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
>up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
>while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>
>Joyce
>
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>
>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>
>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my
>>>mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series
>>>dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
>>>overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much
>>>different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
>>>intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>
>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>>>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>>>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the
>>>ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
>>>tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,
>>>but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
>>>computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will
>>>also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>
>>>>>I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>
>>>>week.
>>>>
>>>>>Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>
>>>>than
>>>>
>>>>>likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>>happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>
>>>>push
>>>>
>>>>>too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>
>>>>took me
>>>>
>>>>>a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>
>>>>>I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>
>>>>This is a
>>>>
>>>>>great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>
>>>>Then I
>>>>
>>>>>read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>
>>>>work on
>>>>
>>>>>the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>
>>>>when you
>>>>
>>>>>can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>
>>>>recently
>>>>
>>>>>that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>
>>>>sure of
>>>>
>>>>>that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>
>>>>also didn't
>>>>
>>>>>add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>
>>>>tougher
>>>>
>>>>>on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>
>>>>causing
>>>>
>>>>>me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>
>>>>now,
>>>>
>>>>>walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>
>>>>feeling
>>>>
>>>>>it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>
>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>
>>>>>level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>
>>>>(I'm making
>>>>
>>>>>the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>
>>>>another
>>>>
>>>>>few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>>will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>
>>>>the same
>>>>
>>>>>benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>
>>>>stages -
>>>>
>>>>>which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>
>>>>>Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>>
>>>>

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it really isn't our
choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me while I was in the oral surgeons, as
he was headed back to college to talk to his professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long
as he was there. Once again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly ... would hate to
have any of my children think there problems are so huge that there is no possible way out other
than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is
home now, registering for classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he
came back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally looked like he
at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin' up left in him. <G>

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty much confirmed what
you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about purchasing a router that had maybe one
wireless port but also had several wired ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off
the wireless. It's a thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining
room, or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more thing for me to
think about. You know how I feel about thinking! <sigh>

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might have to move in
that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

Fred said:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I think you could link a desktop
with a wired network to a laptop with wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it
probably is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch time walk in the predicted
sunshine I can get to the state liquor store (G)

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I told
my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences. <G> Then
I told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it
with our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more
to make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person who
has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to disconnect my
normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am
just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. <G>

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for the
next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh> Littlest
daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my
worrier, timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general
anesthetic - which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just get
to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I go to traffic
court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere. Gonna be another
one of those long days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for
an easy dinner. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
>puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>
>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here?
>I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting
>(the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be
>jogging. <G>
>
>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
>and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
>up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
>while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>
>Joyce
>
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>
>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>
>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my
>>>mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series
>>>dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
>>>overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much
>>>different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
>>>intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>
>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>>>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>>>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the
>>>ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
>>>tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,
>>>but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
>>>computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will
>>>also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>week.
>>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>than
>>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>push
>>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>took me
>>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>This is a
>>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>Then I
>>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>work on
>>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>when you
>>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>recently
>>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>sure of
>>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>also didn't
>>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>tougher
>>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>causing
>>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>now,
>>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>feeling
>>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>and
>>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>(I'm making
>>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>another
>>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>you
>>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>the same
>>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>stages -
>>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new plan of attack. At
least he now sees there are still options in his life, this does not make him a failure. Tomorrow
(Friday) he is registering for classes at the local college, keep him going while giving him some
time to sort things out also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make
whatever decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over it. He is
19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. <G>

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than just a local
anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is a wonderfully gentle and caring
man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her
fearing or feeling pain or any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the
local. I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic. She didn't
seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it was more for the discomfort
of the seperators that had also been put into her teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling
much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have passed. <G>

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly hope he comes through this
whole, which most likely he will with you in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his
anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into a confirmed dentalphobe. Now
I ask for general anesthetic every time I get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it
was my daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.<G>

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can only look UP, right?! Take a few
minutes for yourself, and remember to breathe.

Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays *good* set of
answers. <sigh> Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then time to make some informed
decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son hadn't been doing
well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had said nothing. We worried quietly
here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad
information from his advisor and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ...
entire grade turned out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume
and job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam (he drew a
career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him ineligible for baseball. In
the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant ... to him it is the world and he is
currently shattered. He has had the carrot dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro
scouts talking to him the last few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance
of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it to happen, and
it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream? I think dreams are what keep
us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end
he has been investigating transferring schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register
today only to be told that the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has
made him ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new term,
whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains why his current school
has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart once again broke for him today when
he came home, he looked so darned defeated. He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us
over the holidays, he didn't want to let us down. <which he never would anyway>

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that unhappy where he
is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr. college during spring quarter ... take
some time to make a decision for next year. Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is
currently at, only to not go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr.
college to talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team while
attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to current school to see
if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an incomplete (probably not, is a first year
teacher who appears to be in authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can
make an informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth pulled for braces
... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman who was backing down a one way
street ... it's gonna be another one of those looooooooong days. <sigh> I am incredibly tired, yet
can't sleep.

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement. And
>puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>
>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something here?
>I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more interesting
>(the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs will be
>jogging. <G>
>
>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more today
>and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch
>up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
>while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>
>Joyce
>
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>
>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>
>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep my
>>>mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television series
>>>dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
>>>overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much
>>>different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
>>>intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>
>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting at
>>>about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and after 15
>>>minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the
>>>ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming and
>>>tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house,
>>>but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
>>>computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it will
>>>also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>>
>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>week.
>>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>than
>>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>push
>>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>took me
>>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>This is a
>>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>Then I
>>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>work on
>>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>when you
>>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>recently
>>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>sure of
>>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>also didn't
>>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>tougher
>>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>causing
>>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>now,
>>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>feeling
>>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>and
>>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>(I'm making
>>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>another
>>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>you
>>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>the same
>>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>stages -
>>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a supportive home and allowing
the kids to make their own decisions. I am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is
overwhelming and like WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local option
may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can see the screen) or from the
dining room or fireplace is neat but we can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's
interactive or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the environment issue. I've been
bringing home too much tempting JUNK. And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it
last night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too much wonderful "crust" the
first night.

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it really isn't our
choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me while I was in the oral surgeons,
as he was headed back to college to talk to his professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as
long as he was there. Once again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no
matter what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly ... would
hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that there is no possible way out
other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo -
he is home now, registering for classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out.
When he came back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally looked
like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin' up left in him. <G>

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty much confirmed what
you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about purchasing a router that had maybe one
wireless port but also had several wired ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off
the wireless. It's a thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining
room, or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more thing for me to
think about. You know how I feel about thinking! <sigh>

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might have to move in
that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

Fred said:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I think you could link a desktop
with a wired network to a laptop with wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it
probably is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch time walk in the predicted
sunshine I can get to the state liquor store (G)

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I
told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences.
<G> Then I told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived
through it with our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ...
only one more to make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person
who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to
disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the
wireless? I am just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into
this project. <G>

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for the
next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh>
Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She is
my worrier, timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general
anesthetic - which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just get
to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I go to
traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere. Gonna be
another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ...
makes for an easy dinner. <G>

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

>First, I hope all is or goes well.
>
>Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
>that's no excuse anymore (G)
>
>I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
>sunday (g)
>
>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement.
>>And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>>
>>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something
>>here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more
>>interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs
>>will be jogging. <G>
>>
>>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more
>>today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping
>>to catch up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the
>>treadmill while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>>
>>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>>
>>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep
>>>>my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television
>>>>series dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit).
>>>>I still overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see
>>>>how much different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a
>>>>high intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>>
>>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting
>>>>at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and
>>>>after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have
>>>>the ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming
>>>>and tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the
>>>>house, but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on
>>>>the computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it
>>>>will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>>in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>>week.
>>>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>>than
>>>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>>push
>>>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>>took me
>>>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>>This is a
>>>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>>Then I
>>>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>>work on
>>>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>>when you
>>>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>>recently
>>>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>>sure of
>>>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>>also didn't
>>>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>>tougher
>>>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>>causing
>>>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>>now,
>>>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>>and
>>>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>>(I'm making
>>>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>>another
>>>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>>you
>>>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>>the same
>>>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>>stages -
>>>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>

I'm so glad to hear that your daughter is feeling better, must have been the mudslide that made her
recover so quickly!! I'm glad she didn't drink you under the table ... that would have been
worrying!! ;-)

Connie

Joyce said:

Thanks Connie! I'm just getting back to the computer NOW - am not going to last too long though,
am thoroughly wornout and going to head to bed before I wake fully up (took a lovely 3 hour nap on
the couch). Daughter came through with fantastically, she is a little trooper. She was a little
miserable for a day, much better of Wednesday but still stayed home from school. Yesterday
(thursday) she headed back to school and made it through the day with no motrin. Yeah for her!!! I
did slip her a teeny bit of that mudslide on Tuesday, figuring it might just help her sleep more.
I don't think she drank more than 2T (what a big talker this one is - lol) ... but she did smile
through even that little bit.

Joyce

Connie walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

Good luck to your daughter, Joyce. Maybe give her some of that mudslide?!

Connie

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I
told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences.
<G> Then I told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived
through it with our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ...
only one more to make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person
who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to
disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the
wireless? I am just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into
this project. <G>

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for the
next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh>
Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She is
my worrier, timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general
anesthetic - which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just get
to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I go to
traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere. Gonna be
another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ...
makes for an easy dinner. <G>

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

>First, I hope all is or goes well.
>
>Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
>that's no excuse anymore (G)
>
>I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
>sunday (g)
>
>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement.
>>And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something
>>here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more
>>interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs
>>will be jogging. <G>
>>
>>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more
>>today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping
>>to catch up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the
>>treadmill while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>>
>>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>>
>>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep
>>>>my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television
>>>>series dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit).
>>>>I still overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see
>>>>how much different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a
>>>>high intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>>
>>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting
>>>>at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and
>>>>after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have
>>>>the ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming
>>>>and tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the
>>>>house, but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on
>>>>the computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it
>>>>will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>>in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>>
>>>>>week.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>>
>>>>>than
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>>>happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>>
>>>>>push
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>>
>>>>>took me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>>
>>>>>work on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>>
>>>>>when you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>>
>>>>>recently
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>>
>>>>>sure of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>>
>>>>>also didn't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>>
>>>>>tougher
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>>
>>>>>causing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>>
>>>>>now,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>>
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>>
>>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>>
>>>>>(I'm making
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>>
>>>>>another
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>>
>>>>>you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>>
>>>>>the same
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>>
>>>>>stages -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/204/155 RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

Joyce, you sound like a really great mom!! Keep up the good work!!

Connie

Joyce said:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new plan of attack. At
least he now sees there are still options in his life, this does not make him a failure. Tomorrow
(Friday) he is registering for classes at the local college, keep him going while giving him some
time to sort things out also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make
whatever decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over it. He
is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. <G>

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than just a local
anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is a wonderfully gentle and
caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want
her fearing or feeling pain or any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along
with the local. I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it was more for
the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her teeth. Today no motrin, so she
must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have passed. <G>

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly hope he comes through this
whole, which most likely he will with you in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his
anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into a confirmed dentalphobe. Now
I ask for general anesthetic every time I get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it
was my daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.<G>

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can only look UP, right?! Take a
few minutes for yourself, and remember to breathe.

Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays *good* set of
answers. <sigh> Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then time to make some informed
decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son hadn't been doing
well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had said nothing. We worried quietly
here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad
information from his advisor and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ...
entire grade turned out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume
and job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam (he drew a
career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him ineligible for baseball. In
the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant ... to him it is the world and he is
currently shattered. He has had the carrot dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro
scouts talking to him the last few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance
of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it to happen, and
it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream? I think dreams are what keep
us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end
he has been investigating transferring schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register
today only to be told that the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has
made him ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new term,
whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains why his current school
has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart once again broke for him today when
he came home, he looked so darned defeated. He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us
over the holidays, he didn't want to let us down. <which he never would anyway>

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that unhappy where
he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr. college during spring quarter ...
take some time to make a decision for next year. Does it make sense for him to stick it out where
he is currently at, only to not go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the
jr. college to talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to current school
to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an incomplete (probably not, is a first
year teacher who appears to be in authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he
can make an informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth pulled for
braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman who was backing down a one
way street ... it's gonna be another one of those looooooooong days. <sigh> I am incredibly
tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.
>
>Prairie Roots On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement.
>>And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something
>>here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more
>>interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs
>>will be jogging. <G>
>>
>>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more
>>today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping
>>to catch up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the
>>treadmill while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>>
>>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>>
>>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep
>>>>my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television
>>>>series dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit).
>>>>I still overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see
>>>>how much different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a
>>>>high intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>>
>>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting
>>>>at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and
>>>>after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have
>>>>the ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming
>>>>and tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the
>>>>house, but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on
>>>>the computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it
>>>>will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>>in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>>
>>>>>week.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>>
>>>>>than
>>>>>
>>>>>>likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>>>happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>>
>>>>>push
>>>>>
>>>>>>too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>>
>>>>>took me
>>>>>
>>>>>>a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a
>>>>>
>>>>>>great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then I
>>>>>
>>>>>>read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>>
>>>>>work on
>>>>>
>>>>>>the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>>
>>>>>when you
>>>>>
>>>>>>can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>>
>>>>>recently
>>>>>
>>>>>>that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>>
>>>>>sure of
>>>>>
>>>>>>that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>>
>>>>>also didn't
>>>>>
>>>>>>add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>>
>>>>>tougher
>>>>>
>>>>>>on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>>
>>>>>causing
>>>>>
>>>>>>me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>>
>>>>>now,
>>>>>
>>>>>>walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>>
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>
>>>>>>it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>>immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>>
>>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>>
>>>>>>level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>>
>>>>>(I'm making
>>>>>
>>>>>>the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>>
>>>>>another
>>>>>
>>>>>>few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>>
>>>>>you
>>>>>
>>>>>>will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>>
>>>>>the same
>>>>>
>>>>>>benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>>
>>>>>stages -
>>>>>
>>>>>>which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/204/155 RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local junior college her first year. She
doesn't adapt easily to change and decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-high
school years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina, and then, for her final
two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville, where she graduated summa cum laude. She's now had a
few years out of college, working full-time, making the transition to independent adult, and last
month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some problems, met someone, got
pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid
difficulties, met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is now divorced.
She's digging her way up through the muck and still trying to establish her self-identity as an
independent adult. If all goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think your son showed great maturity
by looking at his options and deciding to give himself some time and space to figure it all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK. Mudslides could probably cure a
lot of ills.

Prairie Roots On Fri said:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new plan of attack. At
least he now sees there are still options in his life, this does not make him a failure. Tomorrow
(Friday) he is registering for classes at the local college, keep him going while giving him some
time to sort things out also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make
whatever decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over it. He is
19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. <G>

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than just a local
anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is a wonderfully gentle and
caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want
her fearing or feeling pain or any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along
with the local. I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic. She
didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it was more for the
discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be
feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have passed. <G>

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly hope he comes through this
whole, which most likely he will with you in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his
anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into a confirmed dentalphobe. Now
I ask for general anesthetic every time I get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it
was my daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.<G>

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can only look UP, right?! Take a
few minutes for yourself, and remember to breathe.

Prairie Roots

Joyce said:

Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays *good* set of
answers. <sigh> Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then time to make some informed
decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son hadn't been doing
well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had said nothing. We worried quietly
here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad
information from his advisor and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ...
entire grade turned out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume
and job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam (he drew a
career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him ineligible for baseball. In
the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant ... to him it is the world and he is
currently shattered. He has had the carrot dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro
scouts talking to him the last few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance
of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it to happen, and
it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream? I think dreams are what keep
us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end
he has been investigating transferring schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register
today only to be told that the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has
made him ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new term,
whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains why his current school
has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart once again broke for him today when
he came home, he looked so darned defeated. He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us
over the holidays, he didn't want to let us down. <which he never would anyway>

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that unhappy where
he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr. college during spring quarter ...
take some time to make a decision for next year. Does it make sense for him to stick it out where
he is currently at, only to not go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the
jr. college to talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to current school
to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an incomplete (probably not, is a first
year teacher who appears to be in authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he
can make an informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth pulled for
braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman who was backing down a one
way street ... it's gonna be another one of those looooooooong days. <sigh> I am incredibly
tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.
>
>Prairie Roots On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement.
>>And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>>
>>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something
>>here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more
>>interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs
>>will be jogging. <G>
>>
>>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more
>>today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping
>>to catch up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the
>>treadmill while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>>
>>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>>
>>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep
>>>>my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television
>>>>series dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a bit).
>>>>I still overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see
>>>>how much different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a
>>>>high intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>>
>>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting
>>>>at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and
>>>>after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also have
>>>>the ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional programming
>>>>and tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the
>>>>house, but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on
>>>>the computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the website it
>>>>will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to coincide with the
>>>>terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and I
>>>>>don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>>>in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>>week.
>>>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>>than
>>>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>>push
>>>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>>took me
>>>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>>This is a
>>>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>>Then I
>>>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>>work on
>>>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>>when you
>>>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>>recently
>>>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>>sure of
>>>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>>also didn't
>>>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>>tougher
>>>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>>causing
>>>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>>now,
>>>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>>and
>>>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>>(I'm making
>>>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>>another
>>>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>>you
>>>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>>the same
>>>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>>stages -
>>>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having to feel my way in my second
semester way back when. But it worked out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home
- all in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby priced (like FREE) and a
good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially broke - well, one or the
other. The wireless has dropped substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring sandwich. Waiting for a friend
to call and up or down on a bike ride. We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get
rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait another day. (aside, we just
decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do the buckwheat noodles about 3
months ago with a then Atkins friends. She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

Joyce said:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? <g> We have that
tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm down when the kids are around
... able to talk more reason into each other. Once the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to
better cope. Thank heavens the kids see very little of the smoke. <G> I remember never being
allowed to make my own decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I
would not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of confidence in
myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as they learn from them, I figure it
turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The
boy just had a rough year, advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the
initiative to fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped sense
of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is such a homebody and
really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice to venture off, - and now it's his
choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another gimick, another toy.
And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch would be *ok*, but definitely not a
necessity - and not interested enough to make me run out and investigate how much the option would
cost me. For the purpose of amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really had the desire to
venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And yesterday I really overdid things. Waited
much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not
the best choice and very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for lunch, but at least
did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier day than I've had in a long time. Why
is it that there are just *those days* where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do
(or what you don't do)?

Joyce

Fred said:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a supportive home and allowing the
kids to make their own decisions. I am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming
and like WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local option may work best
for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can see the screen) or from the
dining room or fireplace is neat but we can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's
interactive or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the environment issue. I've been
bringing home too much tempting JUNK. And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved
it last night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too much wonderful
"crust" the first night.

Joyce said:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it really isn't our
choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me while I was in the oral surgeons,
as he was headed back to college to talk to his professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as
long as he was there. Once again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing
no matter what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly ...
would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that there is no possible
way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be quite a few that do end up thinking
that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for classes at the local college tomorrow - while he
sorts things out. When he came back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked
already - finally looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of
growin' up left in him. <G>

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty much confirmed
what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about purchasing a router that had maybe
one wireless port but also had several wired ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the
laptops off the wireless. It's a thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from
the dining room, or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! <sigh>

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might have to move in
that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.
>
>I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I think you could link a
>desktop with a wired network to a laptop with wireless and work with the type systems. But as
>you say, it probably is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs beside the
>fireplace.
>
>Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch time walk in the predicted
>sunshine I can get to the state liquor store (G)
>
>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is important. As I
>>told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those freakin' growth experiences.
>><G> Then I told hub I lived through it with my older brother, lived through it myself, we lived
>>through it with our oldest girl ... will live through this current bout and then just think ...
>>only one more to make it through! <G> It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.
>>
>>I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a single person
>>who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in, would I then have to
>>disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick and choose when I wanted to use the
>>wireless? I am just not thinking clearly right now, probably not the best time to venture into
>>this project. <G>
>>
>>Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being able to for
>>the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ... maybe by dinnertime? <sigh>
>>Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the morning, in order to have braces put on. She
>>is my worrier, timid little sould that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a
>>general anesthetic - which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I
>>just get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit while I
>>go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy in there somewhere.
>>Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a whole bottle of mudslides in the
>>fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. <G>
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>First, I hope all is or goes well.
>>>
>>>Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet in the darn basement -
>>>that's no excuse anymore (G)
>>>
>>>I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on saturday and skiing on
>>>sunday (g)
>>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement.
>>>>And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>>>>
>>>>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something
>>>>here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more
>>>>interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs
>>>>will be jogging. <G>
>>>>
>>>>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>>>>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more
>>>>today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping
>>>>to catch up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the
>>>>treadmill while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>>>>
>>>>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>>>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep
>>>>>>my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television
>>>>>>series dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a
>>>>>>bit). I still overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines
>>>>>>and see how much different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know
>>>>>>exactly what a high intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting
>>>>>>at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and
>>>>>>after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also
>>>>>>have the ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional
>>>>>>programming and tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables
>>>>>>through the house, but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get
>>>>>>programming on the computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through
>>>>>>the website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to
>>>>>>coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and
>>>>>>>I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>>>>week.
>>>>>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>>>>push
>>>>>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>>>>took me
>>>>>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>>>>This is a
>>>>>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>>>>work on
>>>>>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>>>>when you
>>>>>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>>>>recently
>>>>>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>>>>sure of
>>>>>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>>>>also didn't
>>>>>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>>>>tougher
>>>>>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>>>>causing
>>>>>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>>>>now,
>>>>>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>>>>(I'm making
>>>>>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>>>>another
>>>>>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>>>>the same
>>>>>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>>>>stages -
>>>>>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>

I tell my daughters that there are all kinds of ways to live a life, not just one, despite all the
pressure in high school and beyond to do things in a particular order in a particular way.

Yes, I keep hoping for the best. And being as supportive as I can, even when that means telling the
truth. My daughter's life certainly hasn't turned out as I would've planned it, but she's one of
those stubborn people who has to find out the iron is hot by touching it.

Who knows? Maybe your baby has been silently taking notes from her older sibs' experiences. It may
not be so tough after all? Wait and see, huh!

Joyce said:

It is funny how each child is totally different. We did want my son to start out at the junior
college, but his big sis talked him out of it - told him he would hate it (since she did). He is
much like his father, very quiet and shy, a homebody. Likes going out and having fun, but also
likes returning home. One of his buddiesmentioned the possibility of them sharing an apartment,
doesn't understand the concept of my son not being unhappy at home.

I also remember very clearly my older brother going through the same thing, seemed like it took him
a long time to get his head into those post-high school years. He survived and has done extremely
well for himself. He also reminded me of this last week-end, told me he was very glad to see I was
handling things so much differently than what we grew up with. Sometimes those life lessons are
hard to learn, such as what your one daughter has gone through ... but also very neccesary in
helping to get our heads back to where they should be. You're daughter sure didn't choose the easy
route by any means, but it also sounds like she is doing incredibly well now in making a plan for
her and her child's future. GOOD FOR HER!

I guess all we can do as parents is to hope that lessons do get learned, offer support where/when
we can, and hope for the best outcome somewhere down the line. I do think that in most cases, all
does turn out well in the end. It just might be a long haul to that end result. <sigh> And maybe
the end result is much more appreciated when you have to go through the tough stuff to get there? I
don't know, but I see it happen over and over with many kids.

And just think, another year and I get to go through this all over again with the *baby*. UGH!

Joyce

Prairie Roots said:

One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local junior college her first year.
She doesn't adapt easily to change and decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-
high school years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina, and then, for
her final two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville, where she graduated summa cum laude. She's
now had a few years out of college, working full-time, making the transition to independent adult,
and last month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some problems, met someone, got
pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid
difficulties, met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is now divorced.
She's digging her way up through the muck and still trying to establish her self-identity as an
independent adult. If all goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think your son showed great maturity
by looking at his options and deciding to give himself some time and space to figure it all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK. Mudslides could probably cure a
lot of ills.

Prairie Roots On Fri said:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new plan of attack. At
least he now sees there are still options in his life, this does not make him a failure. Tomorrow
(Friday) he is registering for classes at the local college, keep him going while giving him some
time to sort things out also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make
whatever decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over it. He
is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. <G>

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than just a local
anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is a wonderfully gentle and
caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have whatever she felt was needed, no way did he
want her fearing or feeling pain or any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas
along with the local. I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general
anesthetic. She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her teeth. Today no
motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have passed. <G>

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly hope he comes through this
>whole, which most likely he will with you in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his
>anxiety as well.
>
>I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into a confirmed dentalphobe.
>Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course
>if it was my daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.<G>
>
>I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can only look UP, right?! Take a
>few minutes for yourself, and remember to breathe.
>
>Prairie Roots
>
>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays *good* set of
>>answers. <sigh> Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then time to make some informed
>>decisions.
>>
>>Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son hadn't been
>>doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had said nothing. We worried
>>quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig himself out. Turns out he was given a
>>bunch of bad information from his advisor and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to
>>take ... entire grade turned out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an
>>oral resume and job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the
>>exam (he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him ineligible
>>for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant ... to him it is the
>>world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot dangled in front of his nose, so to
>>speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last few months, telling him at this given moment he
>>has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
>>- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it to happen,
>> and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream? I think dreams are what
>> keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to quit and grow up aleady. So this
>> week-end he has been investigating transferring schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to
>> register today only to be told that the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule
>> which has made him ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a
>> new term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains why his
>> current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart once again broke
>> for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated. He is kicking himself for not
>> saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't want to let us down. <which he never would
>> anyway>
>>
>>Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that unhappy where
>>he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr. college during spring quarter ...
>>take some time to make a decision for next year. Does it make sense for him to stick it out
>>where he is currently at, only to not go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back
>>to the jr. college to talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the
>>team while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to current
>>school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an incomplete (probably not,
>>is a first year teacher who appears to be in authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers*
>>hopefully he can make an informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.
>>
>>I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth pulled for
>>braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman who was backing down a
>>one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those looooooooong days. <sigh> I am incredibly
>>tired, yet can't sleep.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.
>>>
>>>Prairie Roots On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the basement.
>>>>And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job in the near future. <G>
>>>>
>>>>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss something
>>>>here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found it is so much more
>>>>interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if I go any faster my little legs
>>>>will be jogging. <G>
>>>>
>>>>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not pleasant stuff
>>>>going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable solutions ... will know more
>>>>today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least are moving in on some answers. Am hoping
>>>>to catch up on the newsgroup and emails, then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the
>>>>treadmill while awaiting todays set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>>>>
>>>>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes on hill work. But only
>>>>>about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. <g> I even splurged
>>>>>>and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to give me something to keep
>>>>>>my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then splurged on some movies and television
>>>>>>series dvd's ... making the treadmill time, MY time and something to look forward to (a
>>>>>>bit). I still overdid things a bit yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines
>>>>>>and see how much different they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know
>>>>>>exactly what a high intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement is sitting
>>>>>>at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on in addition ... and
>>>>>>after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is wonderful! Does your treadmill also
>>>>>>have the ability to be hooked into the manufacturers internet website for additional
>>>>>>programming and tracking? I haven't done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables
>>>>>>through the house, but it did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get
>>>>>>programming on the computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through
>>>>>>the website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed to
>>>>>>coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read the manual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn out easily and
>>>>>>>I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice. Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
>>>>>>>week.
>>>>>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new activity. This
>>>>>>>> happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
>>>>>>>push
>>>>>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
>>>>>>>took me
>>>>>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
>>>>>>>This is a
>>>>>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
>>>>>>>work on
>>>>>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
>>>>>>>when you
>>>>>>>> can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
>>>>>>>recently
>>>>>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
>>>>>>>sure of
>>>>>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
>>>>>>>also didn't
>>>>>>>> add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
>>>>>>>tougher
>>>>>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
>>>>>>>causing
>>>>>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
>>>>>>>now,
>>>>>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
>>>>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
>>>>>>>(I'm making
>>>>>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
>>>>>>>another
>>>>>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
>>>>>>>the same
>>>>>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
>>>>>>>stages -
>>>>>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean" <[email hidden]>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Prairie Roots
232/158.8/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Thanks Lee. Mighty kind words.

I may not judge them, but I have plenty of opinions. LOL

Miss Violette said:

PR

The nicest thing about this post is that writing about both daughters, I detect no judgment about
either, that is truly a wonderful gift you have to give them, love of a concerned parent with no
judgment, Lee Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

One of my daughters opted to live at home while attending a local junior college her first year.
She doesn't adapt easily to change and decided, after much hand-wringing, to ease into the post-
high school years. After the 1st year she transferred to a school in N. Carolina, and then, for
her final two years, transferred to Fisk in Nashville, where she graduated summa cum laude. She's
now had a few years out of college, working full-time, making the transition to independent
adult, and last month, started graduate school.

My other daughter, her twin, rushed off to college, ran into some problems, met someone, got
pregnant, had an abortion, took a year off from school, transferred, ran into some financial aid
difficulties, met someone, got pregnant, had my granddaughter, got married, and is now divorced.
She's digging her way up through the muck and still trying to establish her self-identity as an
independent adult. If all goes according to plan, she'll be returning to college in the fall,
working full-time, and being a single mom.

Sometimes you just never know how things will turn out. But I think your son showed great
maturity by looking at his options and deciding to give himself some time and space to figure it
all out.

Glad to hear your daughter made it through the oral surgery OK. Mudslides could probably cure a
lot of ills.

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Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and

a new

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plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his

life, this

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does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for

classes at

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the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort

things out

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also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make

whatever

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decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him

up over

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it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out.

<G>

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Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more

than

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just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have

been to, is

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a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY

have

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whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling

pain or

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any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with

the local.

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I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general

anesthetic.

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She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but

thinks it

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was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into

her

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teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis

appears to have

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passed. <G>

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly hope he comes through this
>whole, which most likely he will with you in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his
>anxiety as well.
>
>I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into a confirmed dentalphobe.
>Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course
>if it was my daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.<G>
>
>I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can only look UP, right?! Take a
>few minutes for yourself, and remember to breathe.
>
>Prairie Roots
>
>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with

yesterdays

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>>*good* set of answers. <sigh> Tomorrow is another day, a few other

options, then

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>>time to make some informed decisions.
>>
>>Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the

road. Son

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>>hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously

but he had

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>>said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried

valiantly to dig

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>>himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from

his advisor

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>>and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire

grade turned

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>>out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral

resume and

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>>job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for

the exam

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>>(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus

making him

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>>ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really

unimportant

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>>... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had

the carrot

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>>dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to

him the last

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>>few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of

being drafted

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>>- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to

play for it

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>>to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up

his dream?

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>>I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just

tell him to

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>>quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating

transferring

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>>schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to

be told that

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>>the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made

him

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>>ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting

a new

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>>term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also

explains

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>>why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of

year. My heart

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>>once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned

defeated.

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>>He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays,

he didn't

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>>want to let us down. <which he never would anyway>
>>
>>Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is

really that

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>>unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local

jr.

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>>college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for

next year.

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>>Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at,

only to not

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>>go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr.

college to

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>>talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with

the team

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>>while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area ....

then back to

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>>current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving

him an

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>>incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in authoratative mode). At
>>least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can

make an

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>>informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.
>>
>>I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to

have 2 teeth

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>>pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who

hit a woman

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>>who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of

those

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>>looooooooong days. <sigh> I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]>

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>>>I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well. Peace be with you.
>>>
>>>Prairie Roots On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access

set up in the

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>>>>basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to

tackle THAT job

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>>>>in the near future. <G>
>>>>
>>>>How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down?

Or did I miss

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>>>>something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace -

have found

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>>>>it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at

4mph ... if

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>>>>I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. <G>
>>>>
>>>>It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill

included - not

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>>>>pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has

some viable

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>>>>solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday.

So at least

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>>>>are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the

newsgroup and emails,

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>>>>then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while

awaiting todays

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>>>>set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!
>>>>
>>>>Joyce
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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>>>>
>>>>>Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.
>>>>>
>>>>>See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx 3,400 feet.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15

minutes

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>>>>>on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10 whatever and it kept
>>>>>dropping it back down (G)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout

queen. <g> I

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>>>>>>even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player

built in, to

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>>>>>>give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set

in. Then

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>>>>>>splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the

treadmill time,

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>>>>>>MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid

things a bit

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>>>>>>yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how

much different

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>>>>>>they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know

exactly what a high

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>>>>>>intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when

your basement

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>>>>>>is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw

my bathrobe on

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>>>>>>in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh,

it is

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>>>>>>wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked

into the

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>>>>>>manufacturers internet website for additional programming and

tracking? I haven't

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>>>>>>done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the

house, but it

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>>>>>>did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get

programming on the

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>>>>>>computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And

through the

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>>>>>>website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the

incline and speed

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>>>>>>to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize

this until I read

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>>>>>>the manual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean"

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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I

DO burn

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>>>>>>>out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good

advice.

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>>>>>>>Hugs. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
>>>>>>>> I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you

throughout the

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>>>>>>>week.
>>>>>>>> Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles

are more

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>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>> likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them

from the new

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>>>>>>>> activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion

when I try to

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>>>>>>>push
>>>>>>>> too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of

the water,

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>>>>>>>took me
>>>>>>>> a good two weeks in the beginning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace

of 2MPH.

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>>>>>>>This is a
>>>>>>>> great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the

beginning.

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>>>>>>>Then I
>>>>>>>> read that you added the incline into the routine already.

Myself, I would

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>>>>>>>work on
>>>>>>>> the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the

incline

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>>>>>>>when you
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somewhere

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>>>>>>>recently
>>>>>>>> that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH -

not too

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>>>>>>>sure of
>>>>>>>> that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself -

but I

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>>>>>>>also didn't
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felt it was

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>>>>>>>tougher
>>>>>>>> on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to

fluids???), thus

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>>>>>>>causing
>>>>>>>> me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for

many months

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>>>>>>>now,
>>>>>>>> walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell

ya, I start

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>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>> it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining

the incline

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>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>> immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few

days at

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>>>>>>>your 2MPH
>>>>>>>> level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or

.2 MPH

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>>>>>>>(I'm making
>>>>>>>> the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and

all) - go for

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>>>>>>>another
>>>>>>>> few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time

the same,

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>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>> will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will

still get

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>>>>>>>the same
>>>>>>>> benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the

early

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>>>>>>>stages -
>>>>>>>> which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for

later!

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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. <G>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joyce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

<[email hidden]>

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>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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