Cyclist Payback???

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of remorse does
come in as a consideration.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

On reflection, yes. If you hit someone, stop, render aid, they die,
you call the police and show proper remorse - well, you're a human
being who made a mistake. If you hit someone and drive off laughing
leaving them to die, you are inhuman. Looking at this guy's record he
is apparently a sociopath.

Cut off his goolies. It's the only language these people understand.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:26:24 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

Quoted message said:

I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of remorse does
come in as a consideration.

The remorse usually starts at about the time they are arrested and
realise that despite having fled the scene they are caught bang to
rights. I am rather cynical about lethally bad drivers whose lawyers
tell the court they are wracked with guilt as if this were punishment
enough.

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you know? said:

The remorse usually starts at about the time they are arrested and
realise that despite having fled the scene they are caught bang to
rights. I am rather cynical about lethally bad drivers whose lawyers
tell the court they are wracked with guilt as if this were punishment
enough.

I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give extra
points for showing high levels of remorse - there are some TV
evangelists that I can remember crying at the drop of a hanky - but
they take a harsh look at those that show no remorse, like laughing at
the victims' families. This person was showing no remorse and in a
clear way (evidently).

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Quoted message said:

I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give extra
points for showing high levels of remorse

They do over here in the UK. Latest case of a cyclist being hit by a motorist,
suffered mulitple injuries & died at the scene. The motorist did a runner,
failed to report the "accident" to the authorites. When the police eventually
caught up with him, he lied about hitting a person, but claimed he'd hit a
deer. In the reports, it's mentioned he has remorse and has to live with this
for the rest of his life, yadda, yadda, yadda. He got £600 in fines, a few
pounds in costs and a twleve month ban from driving. That's it. It's quite a
regular thing over here to read the reports of similar cases where it's stated
the driver is "filled with remose" and gets nothing more than a piddling fine
and a short driving ban when some innocent third party has been killed - even
when the driver has done a hit and run.

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On 19 Apr 2004 19:32:59 GMT, [email hidden]

(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

That's it. It's quite a
regular thing over here to read the reports of similar cases where it's stated
the driver is "filled with remose" and gets nothing more than a piddling fine
and a short driving ban when some innocent third party has been killed - even
when the driver has done a hit and run.

A long time ago - maybe 20 years now - a Continental Trailways bus hit
a car on the Baltimore-Washington Parkway going into Washington DC.
Everyone in the car was killed. The bus driver was never charged - he
was said to be distraught, to have had a 'breakdown' and it was,
afterall, only an accident.

This bus was on the same schedule as the one I saw everyday on my trip
into Washington DC. This bus regularly rode bumpers (including mine),
drove at speed through the center of merges and forced its way into
traffic (Parkway onto New York Avenue), and generally used petty
terrorism to keep its schedule. The driver(s) were accidents waiting
to happen - and then one did. But they were distraught, so write it
off...

Oh, my favorite - that the bus had a low accident rate. Now guess what
- the average car having to choose between bluffing it out with a bus
or getting out of the way, will generally get out of the way. The key
was whether or not the bus calculated accurately in their threats. One
day IMO they did not.

BTW, anyone in the DC area that wants to get a view of how the buses
drove then, just check out the UPS and Fed Ex trucks on U.S.50 now.
Same driving habits, same willingness to pull two lanes to the left to
speed, knowing they can cut back three lanes across traffic to make
their exit, same tailgating...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Ken NY) said:

Quoted message said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

you know? said:

On reflection, yes. If you hit someone, stop, render aid, they die,
you call the police and show proper remorse - well, you're a human
being who made a mistake. If you hit someone and drive off laughing
leaving them to die, you are inhuman. Looking at this guy's record he
is apparently a sociopath.

Cut off his goolies. It's the only language these people understand.

Assuming that the article is the truth (and all of it):
He is inhuman. Why should we care what language he understands? His
language should be WormFoodIsh -- as in, if they cut something off,
it should be his head. Is there some reason to keep him around? Does
he do anything other than hurt and _deliberately_murder_ people? He
has forfeited his excuse for being alive.
--
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:48:14 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

Is there some reason to keep him around? Does
he do anything other than hurt and _deliberately_murder_ people? He
has forfeited his excuse for being alive.

No, I don't want society to stoop to his level. Lock him up and
ensure a generous supply of razor blades and barbiturates in case he
wants to top himself.

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(Hunrobe) said:

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"frkrygow" "frkrygow"@omitcc.ysu.edu wrote:

Maybe instead of slashing, just removing the valve core from his tires?
Seems a lot gentler. I _guess_ it's still illegal, though.

(What's the charge? "Releasing captive air?"😉

Since you ask, here in IL it would be a misdemeanor charge- "Tampering with a
Motor Vehicle". A second conviction on that charge would make it a felony. Just
FYI.

Wow. I wonder whether that means folks can press charges against the
cops who slather dayglo stickers on cars that don't move around enough
for their tastes.

Chalo Colina

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:26:24 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
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Quoted message said:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of remorse does
come in as a consideration.

So sentences are based on how good an actor the defendant
happens to be. Justice is weird.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:07:48 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
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Quoted message said:

you know? said:

The remorse usually starts at about the time they are arrested and
realise that despite having fled the scene they are caught bang to
rights. I am rather cynical about lethally bad drivers whose lawyers
tell the court they are wracked with guilt as if this were punishment
enough.

I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give extra
points for showing high levels of remorse - there are some TV
evangelists that I can remember crying at the drop of a hanky - but
they take a harsh look at those that show no remorse, like laughing at
the victims' families. This person was showing no remorse and in a
clear way (evidently).

I remember a child murderer a few years ago who was found
guilty of raping and strangling a very young girl. Nobody thought much
of it until he stood up and gave the family of the victim the finger.
Think of it, the finger seemed to enrage the court and the public more
than the murder of a child.

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support efforts to remove the regime headed by
Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote
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that regime,"
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:21:16 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

So sentences are based on how good an actor the defendant
happens to be. Justice is weird.

As long as 'rehabilitation' is part of the sentence, then it makes
sense enough to consider it. If the intent is only to punish, then it
doesn't.

Of course, there would be logic in saying if three years of the
sentence is the rehabiliation portion and the person is an obvious
unremorseful SOB incapable of rehabilitation, then you may as well
knock off those three years from the sentence...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Just zis Guy said:

The remorse usually starts at about the time they are arrested and
realise that despite having fled the scene they are caught bang
to rights. I am rather cynical about lethally bad drivers whose
lawyers tell the court they are wracked with guilt as if this were
punishment enough.

Does anyone keep statistics on repeat offenders? These people who
"must suffer every day of their lives with the knowledge that they
killed someone" -- do they kill again more often, or less often,
than the average motorist?

If they were truly remorseful, I would imagine they would voluntarily
give up driving. Permanently.

Curtis L. Russell said:

I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give extra
points for showing high levels of remorse - there are some TV
evangelists that I can remember crying at the drop of a hanky - but
they take a harsh look at those that show no remorse, like laughing
at the victims' families. This person was showing no remorse and in
a clear way (evidently).

Yes. 27 years ago I was sentenced to six years in prison for office
burglary. The judge said he chose such a harsh sentence because I
"showed no remorse" and "appeared to be angry". It was true I showed
no remorse and was angry. Because I was *innocent*. (I did not laugh
at the victim.)

At the going rate for vehicular homicide, I could have murdered more
people than both of the Columbine killers did, and laughed about it,
and gotten a shorter sentence.

Is there any wonder why increasing numbers of Americans regard our
criminal justice system with utter contempt?
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What some people in this world will do just leaves me stupidly opening and
closing my gaping mouth like a fish.

There are truly some psychotic people in this world, and the sad part of
it is that some of them still get behind the wheels of motor vehicles.
--
Trudi

"Boy, there sure is a lot of tension around here tonight. It's like a Joan Crawford movie."

Trudi Marrapodi said:

What some people in this world will do just leaves me stupidly
opening and closing my gaping mouth like a fish.

This would mean more if the reader knew to what you were referring.

Bill "context" S.

Media Release
04-04-08

Homicide Update

Vancouver - The 8th homicide victim of the year has been identified as
Jeffery James HENDRY. Mr. Henrdy is a 47-year-old male who is a
resident of the area.

Jeffery was found yesterday morning lying in the street in the 2100
block of Williams St.

Investigators believe that Jeffery was out riding his bike in the
early morning hours of April 8th when he was attacked. He suffered a
serious assault. The motive is still unknown.

A person was seen running from the scene wearing a dark hoodie,
however, that is the only description available. Some media reports
have suggested this homicide was connected to windows of a vehicle
being smashed out in the area. There is a significant time delay
between the two incidents, but investigators will look at both
incidents to see if there is a connection.

Jeffery was mentally and physically challenged. His speech was slow
and he walked with a stiff leg. He was described as a white male, 5-7
in height and 140lbs and had no criminal record.

Police want to speak to anyone who may have known Jeffery James
Hendry, including any of his friends that he had recent contact with.
Investigators are looking for any information on the areas that
Jeffery enjoyed visiting on his bike.
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zk

Brendon M. Troy said:

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . . extreme and
violent reactions to their problems with motorists . . . Not that that
is the norm, but I've seen some pretty violent, reactionary comments
made here from time to time . . .

Put me at the front of that list. Until it's
publicly known that messing with a cyclist on the
road will mean having 10-20 of them track you down
to beat your soul out of you things will only get
worse out on the roads.

--
Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com

In article <[email hidden]>, "S o r n i"

Quoted message said:

Trudi Marrapodi said:

What some people in this world will do just leaves me stupidly
opening and closing my gaping mouth like a fish.

This would mean more if the reader knew to what you were referring.

Bill "context" S.

THE ORIGINAL GUY who hit someone on a bike and laughed it off. Not obvious
enough without quoting the entire article?
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"Boy, there sure is a lot of tension around here tonight. It's like a Joan Crawford movie."

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:34:50 -0400, [email hidden]

(Trudi Marrapodi) said:

Quoted message said:

Trudi Marrapodi said:

What some people in this world will do just leaves me stupidly
opening and closing my gaping mouth like a fish.

This would mean more if the reader knew to what you were referring.
Bill "context" S.

THE ORIGINAL GUY who hit someone on a bike and laughed it off. Not obvious
enough without quoting the entire article?

No. The original post in this thread was about a cyclist slashing
tires; it was a later post that talked about the laughing killer.

You don't have to quote the entire article. You could just quote
enough for the rest of us to know what you're talking about.
--
Rick Onanian

In rec.bicycles.misc Rick Onanian said:

No. The original post in this thread was about a cyclist slashing
tires; it was a later post that talked about the laughing killer.

You don't have to quote the entire article. You could just quote
enough for the rest of us to know what you're talking about.

i implore you not to start. please! i got it. i did. i really, really
did.

what did i get? damn, i didn't quote it. trudi's statement. the one about
being amazed what some people do. that's just a paraphrase i don't remember
it exactly. i clipped it. i'm sorry. next time i'll be a better poster.

... or not.
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