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Biking and running for cross training. How would you do this? Bike one day and run or power walk the
next? Or Bike and run the same day? If the same day, Morning and evening or together?

Richard
 
I love both disciplines - I manage to run am and bike pm.

Cycling doesn't really take much out of you depending on intensity of course.

I'd say even a beginner could manage an extra training session a day if they were cycling. "Richard
Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Biking and running for cross training. How would you do this? Bike one day and run or power walk
> the next? Or Bike and run the same day? If the same day, Morning and evening or together?
>
> Richard
 
Richard Miller wrote:
>
> Biking and running for cross training. How would you do this? Bike one day and run or power walk
> the next? Or Bike and run the same day? If the same day, Morning and evening or together?
>
> Richard

I commute to work on bike (about 7 min, flat terrain each way) so my runs are frequently on same day
I bike at least somewhat - some days I just ride, some I spin, others I do intervals or standing
"climbs" enroute to work. If I'm actually doing something resembling a workout (I hate to use the
term "workout" for things that are so much fun), then I alternate running and biking days - usually
2-3 bike days/week. I plan them the same as running - alternate hard and easy (whether biking or
running), include in total workout volume for the week. I may do efforts at recovery, easy, medium
and types of workouts as short, long, hills (either on roads or preferably on hilly trails). My
rolling hill trail bikes usually involve some walking on the hills I can't get all the way up yet
(about 10-20% slopes, but only a minute or two to get up each).

One of my favorite workouts (after I've built up to it) is biking to trailhead (about 33 min one
way, rolling hills paved bike path) as warmup (loosens muscles and tendons nicely), then running
hilly trails, then biking home. I end up getting tired, lots of cardio, reduce the chance of injury
while running (lower legs/feet are weak link so I tend to overdo things), *and* get to play in the
woods for awhile. And if I do that on Saturday, I get to do a 45+ min recovery swim that evening.
That's the hilly trail that I bike if I'm only doing bike that day, but I keep to the flatter hills
(<15-20% slope, guesstimate) when biking.

Dot

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"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
 
Dot

I was thinking that if you do a Cardiovascular workout 6 days a week, (Example: running on
M-W-F, Biking on Tu - Th - Sa), that would be a bit much. Wouldn't it be better to run and bike
3 times a week. Bike or run in the morning and bike or run in the evening 3 days a week (6
workout) and rest the other 3 days or do something easy?

Richard

"Dot" <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message
news:58%[email protected]...
> Richard Miller wrote:
> >
> > Biking and running for cross training. How would you do this? Bike one
day
> > and run or power walk the next? Or Bike and run the same day? If the
same
> > day, Morning and evening or together?
> >
> > Richard
>
> I commute to work on bike (about 7 min, flat terrain each way) so my runs are frequently on same
> day I bike at least somewhat - some days I just ride, some I spin, others I do intervals or
> standing "climbs" enroute to work. If I'm actually doing something resembling a workout (I hate to
> use the term "workout" for things that are so much fun), then I alternate running and biking days
> - usually 2-3 bike days/week. I plan them the same as running - alternate hard and easy (whether
> biking or running), include in total workout volume for the week. I may do efforts at recovery,
> easy, medium and types of workouts as short, long, hills (either on roads or preferably on hilly
> trails). My rolling hill trail bikes usually involve some walking on the hills I can't get all the
> way up yet (about 10-20% slopes, but only a minute or two to get up each).
>
> One of my favorite workouts (after I've built up to it) is biking to trailhead (about 33 min one
> way, rolling hills paved bike path) as warmup (loosens muscles and tendons nicely), then running
> hilly trails, then biking home. I end up getting tired, lots of cardio, reduce the chance of
> injury while running (lower legs/feet are weak link so I tend to overdo things), *and* get to play
> in the woods for awhile. And if I do that on Saturday, I get to do a 45+ min recovery swim that
> evening. That's the hilly trail that I bike if I'm only doing bike that day, but I keep to the
> flatter hills (<15-20% slope, guesstimate) when biking.
>
> Dot
>
> --
> "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
 
For starters, you can try doing the cycling as a "recovery run."

...who cares wrote:
> I love both disciplines - I manage to run am and bike pm.
>
> Cycling doesn't really take much out of you depending on intensity of course.
>
> I'd say even a beginner could manage an extra training session a day if they were cycling.
> "Richard Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Biking and running for cross training. How would you do this? Bike one day and run or power walk
>>the next? Or Bike and run the same day? If the same day, Morning and evening or together?
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>
 
Richard Miller wrote:
>
> Dot
>
> I was thinking that if you do a Cardiovascular workout 6 days a week, (Example: running on
> M-W-F, Biking on Tu - Th - Sa), that would be a bit much. Wouldn't it be better to run and
> bike 3 times a week. Bike or run in the morning and bike or run in the evening 3 days a week
> (6 workout) and rest the other 3 days or do something easy?
>
> Richard
>

It's mental relaxation for me as much as anything - wind down after work ;) And that's why at least
one of the bikes will be easy. Six days is a little much for me on a steady basis (at least right
now), but 5 days works out well - or 4 if I do harder efforts (=hills). I prefer doing one workout
after work to unwind, then doing at least one long something on the weekend preferably involving
trails for more than an hour (running, biking, xc skiiing, etc) to rejuvenate - frequently referred
to as playing in the woods ;) I'm also doing some rehab exercises most of these days - more on the
days I do less outside.

If I run my usual 3 days, I usually bike 2 - one during the week and one on weekend - as long as
it's not snowy or icy. Sat night is lap swim (least crowded time), although I may do that on Sun if
the pool is open and I wanted to do something longer on Sat. If I'm recovering, I'll bike 3, run
short and few. Some years I'll cross-train at the fitness center for 1 or 2 months in the winter -
usually M-W-F; then run on T-R-Sat or Sun. Then I'll pick up the biking again when the roads /
trails clear. I did a 2-hr cross-training session this winter on Sunday afternoons, and that really
messed up my usual scheduling. While it was more intense than I usually workout (hence easy day
before, nothing day after), my endurance really sucked this spring so I'm emphasizing bike now until
I get feet and legs back on decent running schedule. Mentally, I *have* to get outside for longer
periods of time, and I just can't get the feet to be that cooperative just yet.

I also periodize my training, usually by season. I'll commute by bike on snow as long as not too
icy, but I don't deliberately go out and bike in it for fun, unless I'm training for a winter tri.
I'm out in the field during much of summer, so it's not like any one of these snow-free training
seasons lasts very long for me (until I retire), and I try to max what I can.

I also tend to do better with less rigid schedules. If I start feeling like I'm in a straight
jacket, then I adjust the schedule appropriately. I got tired of the swimming for awhile this
winter (possibly because I was doing too many other things), dropped it for a few weeks, then
picked it up again. The running, biking, hiking, xc skiing, snowshoeing, etc I enjoy enough that
they are part of my life so I'm not worried about neglecting them. I alter my schedule to what my
body feels it can handle that week. When it's ready to push, I push. When it complains, I backoff.
If I have a race in mind, I *do* set up an approximate schedule, but maintain flexibility as to
what gets done on which days.

But yeah, if running and biking on the same day works for you, then by all means. Something I have
considered biking (about 30 min road, 30 min trail) to our lab in the morning then doing some
running on trails after work, but I haven't figured out reasonable logistics for it without me
overdoing things.

Dot

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"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
 
Richard Miller wrote:
>
> Dot
>
> I was thinking that if you do a Cardiovascular workout 6 days a week, (Example: running on
> M-W-F, Biking on Tu - Th - Sa), that would be a bit much. Wouldn't it be better to run and
> bike 3 times a week. Bike or run in the morning and bike or run in the evening 3 days a week
> (6 workout) and rest the other 3 days or do something easy?
>
> Richard

I got to thinking more about this while I was out biking this evening. I hope I didn't give the
wrong impression on my earlier post. The weekday bike rides I do (besides commuting) may range from
about 20 min to 45 min (convenient routes home or loops), occasionally out to about an hour.
Sometimes they'll be easy, other times I'll hit them much harder, depending upon what else I'm
doing or my current goals. So these usually *are* on the easy side, recovery from running. If I'm
training for a duathlon or tri, though, then I focus more on the bike conditioning as cardio rather
than recovery and pick up the effort. Again, it goes back to the hard/easy principle and goals of
the workout.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
 
Dot

It sounds to me that you have your act together. I got out of the hospital from a back operation
a month and a half ago. So I am doing something twice a day 6 days a week. I over did it at the
beginning of the month so I backed off and am doing better. The bottom line is that I do 3
Cardiovascular workouts per week, easy ones of course. The other workouts would not be
considered Cardiovascular workouts, such of walking, or easy biking etc. thanks for your input.

Richard

"Dot" <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richard Miller wrote:
> >
> > Dot
> >
> > I was thinking that if you do a Cardiovascular workout 6 days a
week,
> > (Example: running on M-W-F, Biking on Tu - Th - Sa), that would be a bit much. Wouldn't it be
> > better to run and bike 3 times a week. Bike or run
in
> > the morning and bike or run in the evening 3 days a week (6 workout) and rest the other 3 days
> > or do something easy?
> >
> > Richard
>
> I got to thinking more about this while I was out biking this evening. I hope I didn't give the
> wrong impression on my earlier post. The weekday bike rides I do (besides commuting) may range
> from about 20 min to 45 min (convenient routes home or loops), occasionally out to about an hour.
> Sometimes they'll be easy, other times I'll hit them much harder, depending upon what else I'm
> doing or my current goals. So these usually *are* on the easy side, recovery from running. If I'm
> training for a duathlon or tri, though, then I focus more on the bike conditioning as cardio
> rather than recovery and pick up the effort. Again, it goes back to the hard/easy principle and
> goals of the workout.
>
> Dot
>
> --
> "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
 
Richard Miller wrote:
>
> Dot
>
> It sounds to me that you have your act together. I got out of the hospital from a back
> operation a month and a half ago. So I am doing something twice a day 6 days a week. I over
> did it at the beginning of the month so I backed off and am doing better. The bottom line is
> that I do 3 Cardiovascular workouts per week, easy ones of course. The other workouts would
> not be considered Cardiovascular workouts, such of walking, or easy biking etc. thanks for
> your input.
>
>
Ahh, I might have answered differently in this context, but it sounds like you've got things under
control. Yea, when I've done rehab (just some weird foot and shoulder things, not operation),
sometimes I might have to stretch some of those exercises throughout the day if I can't get all 3
sets done at one time. More low intensity, more frequent. If you haven't already, you might want to
be sure your bike is fit properly. Sometimes a poor fit can lead to back problems.

Good luck.

Dot

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"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope